User:Wealedout/Archive 1

annoyances,misunderstandings and insinuations

Hi there. I have noticed that you have recently made a post about my recent behaviour on the noticeboard.

I do not contest your opinion, nor your conclusion or your reaction, but I would like sincerely request that you bring up that kind of dispute to me first. Chances are, I would've re-viewed some of the tags I've placed. Just getting that out there for future reference.

nuke's a pretty cool guy, eh isn't afraid of placing delete tags

Or something along those lines... -- NUKLEAR IIV 15:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Up in flames went Nuklearvii. Writing obscenities and profanities just shows what a poor vocabulary you have when it comes to express your thoughts. It is lame, annoying and thickheaded stuff like you just posted that shows what you are. Oh yea, sorry my burger fell under the bridge, no wonder...--Wealedout 19:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

That is bordering on a violation of GWW:NPA. Maybe you need to take a breath and rethink. -- Wyn 19:11, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Posting insinuations or annoyances in talk pages isn't the answer. You had a disagreement? Tell me. Don't insinuate, write profanities, these actions are not the way to go for expressing ideas that you want others to agree with, those ways will never help you. It is rude and gives bad impression, just thought you know NuklearVII.

When writing conflicting ideas you write them in a way that tries to convince not only others but also your opponent. Invite them to see your way. Pushing another person against wall won't make him/her believe in world peace or shouting obscenities neither.

It is nice to have intelligent sysops like Wynthist around, thanks.--Wealedout 19:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I had made that post in complete sincerity, and yet you attempt to delete it.

I shall make no further conversation here. I longer believe you are capable of one. -- NUKLEAR IIV 14:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes don't write anymore. No amount of your "sincerity" is genuine, sincerity (notice no quote marks) is genuine. Nothing will hamper the fact "nuke's a pretty cool guy, eh isn't afraid of placing delete tags" posted in the discussion of my talk page takes away your insinuation. Guild Wars community is intelligent.

Fact is you posted this on the Reap Impurities skill feedback page as part of a deletion tag: "Comparing this to victorious sweep, when victorious is broken as fuck". Not a good representation of Guild Wars community.--Wealedout 23:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Just a note, from the outside looking in it seems you're behaving very aggressively. Take a chill pill, dude. -- Armond Warblade 03:08, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

NuklearVII likes to bother people, he doesn't really write a way to convince others, especially in Dervish pages, too sad that is what I know him for. He could have some ideas but a lot of his writings look like frustrations like my post above, the one that's underlined. He knows I'm a cool guy, but his posts answering mine are confrontations.--Wealedout 22:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Your arrogance and conviction of self-importance are blinding you. -- Armond Warblade 01:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the contribution to the wiki community.... I guess.--Wealedout 01:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Laughing My Ass Off!! Hey Armond, Can I buy some weed from you?--ShadowFog 01:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Guys. If you don't have anything constructive to say, don't say anything. You won't get anywhere with personal attacks and sniping. -- Brains12 \ talk 13:39, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Yea, all that is left is for Shard or Erasculio to show up and post here also. Anyway again thanks Armond, Brains and ShadowFog for your contribution to my talk page. This is my answer for the misleading descriptions of me posted by Armond. Like my user page says and is not wrong, this is what talk pages are being used for, this example right here.Tsk...--Wealedout 16:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Wealedout, that message was directed towards you as well as the others. -- Brains12 \ talk 18:45, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes I knew that beforehand. I stand about what I wrote, criticizing what they write. Well Armond again, thanks for posting, I might not post that thanks on your talk page.--Wealedout 18:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup tags

Hi, please take note of the Guild Wars Wiki:One-revert rule. If someone adds a tag on a page and you oppose, the usual method to remove the tag is either to discuss it on the talk page (perhaps the better option as someone obviously had a reason to add the tag in the first place), or remove it if the page meets the tag's requirements. However, if someone else re-adds the tag, you should not re-revert -- start the discussion yourself as to why the tag does not belong. Usually in this kind of case, practice would be to discuss opposition to a tag, and not support to add a tag. -- Brains12 \ talk 16:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Brains12 any other helpful comments are welcome :).--Wealedout 16:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk page.

Hi there. As per GWW:USER, talk page content cannot be deleted. (I.E. Nuclear's post). However, you can Archive the content into a seperate subpage and link that to your talk page. an example page for this would be like User talk:Wealedout/Archive1 or something of the sort. Thanks! -- Wandering Traveler 19:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Wandering Traveler. You sysops are very active :)--Wealedout 23:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Heheh, I'm no sysop. Just an ordinary user ^^ -- Wandering Traveler 19:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Dervish Player

Just wanted to say hi fellow Derv player. My derv is currently my oldest character at 20 months on my account of 26 months.- Vanguard 23:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Seriously?

If you have a balance page you probably don't know where the skill feedback wiki page is (sorry no link this time, find it). Most of them are out of perspective of Guild Wars game play, others are fantasies and some are egotistical.

Some people have even suggested as to the removal of some classes in Guild Wars, others who say that they play "serious" (maybe by serious they mean with wooden swords in their backyard) PvP saying that Dervish class is broken, others can't stop saying fuck but still want to be taken serious. Any kind of PvP is PvP, whiners.

If you want a skill of a class to do the same thing as another skill of another class (they are call duplicate in Guild Wars people) then play as the class you are whining about, find out why you have a huge error in your logic.--Wealedout 22:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello good sir, you seem to have an enormous ego. First of all, as far as 'serious PvP,' that refers to GvG primarily, and HA second. These game types are what Guild Wars is based around, and balanced around, thus the most important, in addition to requiring the most skill. As far as balance pages, people are allowed to make them if they want to consolidate all of their suggestions, not to mention the fact that official skill feedback pages have essentially no impact anyway. As far as removal of classes, there is no valid arguement I've yet seen that would show that as a bad idea for game balance. Assassins are a flawed concept in several ways, unable to function as normal frontline due to fragility, except for Shattering Assault in some HA builds. They have shadowsteps, which often allows for broken sinsplit play in GvG. Glass cannon style classes end up either too weak or too strong in any game, and Guild Wars is no exception. Dervishes have some hope of being balanced, but it would take major reworking of many class aspects, starting with scythe damage. One thing any PvPer can agree on is that GW was far more balanced before NF, and most balanced before Factions. In light of all this, how can you possibly say that removing a class would be a bad idea? As to "others can't stop saying fuck but still want to be taken serious," you can't possibly believe that to be anything other than a pathetic attempt at a cheap shot on people you don't happen to like. Arbitrarily insulting someone's choice of words is never successful in an arguement, it's most often used by immature people that can't think of anything valid against their opponent's ideas. While there are usually other ways of expressing an opinion, there are cases where profanity is required to convey the proper tone and ideas. And for the other cases, the words they use are their choice, and have little impact on how accurate or important what they have to say may be. As to redundancy, I'm not sure what you're getting at there, as redundancy is an arguement against some of your other points. Classes become broken because they try to fill the same role in a different way. Assassins are either too good at fast spiking, or too useless at pressuring to be any use. Dervishes are also trying to fill the warrior role, but end up with too little utility and too much damage. Paragons were one of the better designed classes, various balance issues aside, as their role is more unique. Ritualists are trying to fill several roles, but are generally weaker than the dedicated classes. They are not as efficient with general healing/protection as monks, and not as good at dealing spell damage as elementalists. In fact, I seem to remember a developer, I believe Izzy, at one point stating that several ritualist skills (ancestor's rage) were intentionally overpowered so that ritualists would see play. Having to intentionally make a class too strong and too weak so that it is not an exact duplicate of another class indicates poor design. Ritualists still have their niches as flag runners and occasional smite support, but don't fill any new roles in any different ways. As you can see, redundancy isn't what the problem could be if people's suggestions are followed, it's the root of the problem as it is, as the newer classes can't exist without being either redundant or imbalanced in some direction. Basically, you need to cool down, have less of an ego, consider that you may actually be wrong sometimes, and that if people do something you don't understand, there may be a good reason for it. Continuing in the style you seem to have taken from what I've seen of you so far will only lead to enemies, you feeling stupid as your seemingly arbitrary rants are proven wrong, and large walls of text on your talk page. With that, I bid you good day. ¬ «Ðêjh» (talk) 19:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but my comment isn't egotist, support our current system because is the one being use, there is a discussion about it, search for it. Now if some people use it to post other things is another story... Don't leave wall of text anywhere if you want to be taken seriously and express yourself better, I might read it.--Wealedout 23:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the completely unrelated link, and the one defining a term I am obviously familiar with, seeing that I used it. I'm not entirely sure what you were getting at with those. Anyhow, assuming that you're right without any reasoning and making random condescending remarks usually indicates someone with a large ego, so yeah it was egotist. I figured you probably wouldn't read the whole wall of text based on your personality, but it contains a comprehensive list of why everything you said in that comment up there was wrong and the explaination why, and some helpful comments on your personality problems, in case you ever want to stop being wrong. Also, the sentance you should have paid most attention to was "Basically, you need to cool down, have less of an ego, consider that you may actually be wrong sometimes, and that if people do something you don't understand, there may be a good reason for it." ¬ «Ðêjh» (talk) 19:45, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Mr. IP is my friend and Mr. wiki user is he

Who are IP posters? Well clearly demonstrated by a lot of posts, they are one of three things:
1.A wiki user in hiding.
2.A friend of a wiki user.
3.He just got killed in RA, got killed by a Dervish in GvG (even though Dervishes are not finishing first in GvG),"How could a caster kill me?". You are a wiki user who can't have a say or defend for yourself?Using your "friends" in disscussion pages doesn't help. It is obvious.

Your response?Look at his contributions, he/she may already have a history. You don't have to answer them, surprising that not answering makes other users and even mods(wow,what good representatives!{sarcasm}) believe in them, even though they are definitely not believable,it looks like grade school. Desperation and laziness makes people do anything. Very easy to believe in someone with a nuke and a Rocky Dennis face with a trident.lol--Wealedout 04:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not really sure why you are ranting on your own talk page where anyone is free to respond, but IP posters are generally people who don't regularly edit the wiki unless a specific situation catches there attention. I for one take them at face value, as I do any user's posts. If they are ranting and raving and acting a fool, they are treated like a fool. If they are simply posting an opinion, offering input in a reasonable way, making a positive contribution furthering the purpose of this wiki, which is to document Guild Wars, they are treated in a reasonable way. So whatever your point is with this, it's totally lost imo. -- Wyn 04:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

It is good that people pass by my discussion and view opinions,so no lost time."So whatever your point is with this, it's totally lost imo."That's like asking why Wandering Traveler does what he does, why not?The problem with IP users is that anyone who knows about ranges, etc... sees the IPs, their behavior and other things, can point them out, some shamelessly accept posting with different IPs. This topic can help out anyone who's had problem with obvious IP posters that are really problematic. Some IP posters out there could be honest posters with constructive ideas, if one of them reads this then you know this doesn't apply to you :),else well there you go.--Wealedout 05:39, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

You are, quite simply, wrong, as a result of only taking into account your ideal circumstances and not realistic ones. -- Armond Warblade 06:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Stated above:"Some IP posters out there could be honest posters with constructive ideas, if one of them reads this then you know this doesn't apply to you :)".--ShadowFog 13:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Right there you just told 80% of people who will read it that it won't apply to them. Please don't be dumb like Wikipedia, where people delete or ignore anonymous comments off their talk pages simply because they're not from logged in users. -- Armond Warblade 06:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

"...taking into account your ideal circumstances and not realistic ones.",Two topics, one sentence just like you did in "annoyances,misunderstandings and insinuations"your thoughts are not thoroughly expressed.

"Please don't be dumb like Wikipedia..."(play on words?) also doesn't warrant enough validity for me to answer any further and convinces me that you are not capable enough for further discussions.

"If you don't have anything constructive to say, don't say anything. You won't get anywhere with personal attacks and sniping." by Brains12.

You are not helping yourself and any cause you are trying to defend.--Wealedout 00:08, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Fine. If you want to be a retarded dumbfuck who runs around applying useless arguments to any piece of logic presented to him and claim that refutes said logic while spouting unfounded NPA accusations because you personally don't like the people trying to help you, I won't try to help you look like a not-cockfucker. -- Armond Warblade 00:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the mail

I dont check my wiki account on weekends... because they are weekends! I made an exception, and theres a buttload of deep blue marked in my watchlist, that will have to wait. Anyhow, I read what you wrote and well yeah, I was going to head here and post something, I will take your advise. I will do some posting again maybe some time later, maybe starting between this Wednesday or Thursday. Good luck!--ShadowFog 05:35, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi

I politely request that you stop misquoting me. I'm not sure what your problem is, but I'd like you to solve it without me needing to take it to arbitration. -Auron 06:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Some posts cry for misquoting. Ɲoɕʈɋɽɕɧ 20:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

• "GW is an offensive game. Noctarch 02:29, 5 October 2008 (UTC)" Apparently Noctarch is offended by fantasy based combat, from here.
• "The Noctarch demands of you to gloat in spite... Ɲoɕʈɋɽɕɧ 09:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)" from here.
• "They just need to change the resurrection invulnerability... Ɲoɕʈɋɽɕɧ 20:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)" Noctarch doesn't think people should be invulnerable when rezzed to allow rezz camping, from here.
• "I totally agree. Noctarch 20:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)" and he blanketly agrees, from here.
• "If only I could believe the words of any one of you. Noctarch 19:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)", he is also untrusting, from here.
• "I'd always take what I can get... Noctarch 17:05, 4 October 2008 (UTC)", he is also a thief, from here.
• "Assassins can only farm... Noctarch 00:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)", oh really? From here.
• "17% is the half of 33%... Noctarch 22:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)", he's good at maths, from here.
• "If a lot of people do not care about Europeans, don't care about them... Noctarch 21:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)", osht, did I forget part of the quote from here?

You can make someone say pretty much whatever you want them to by quoting them out of context. Notice how I included links for all of my quotes, that is because I am not being a dick so anyone can go and see the context and not just call you retarded for any of those statements. Quoting people out of context is lame in the extreme, at the very least full sentences should be included, but some of these are the full sentence, but without the preceeding sentence they can easily be misinterpreted. Misery 21:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I go no problem with that. Most of your misinterpreations are quite correct. I am homophobe, digusting, hateful and walking grudge. Ɲoɕʈɋɽɕɧ 21:31, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

This guy is a obviously trying to troll.--ShadowFog 01:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Front page

*chuckles* Me neither; I am a 114 armor warrior and a LoD monk ^^ Noctarch 22:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Random title name

I'd suggest that 1. you rename your archive, 2. you stop posting sniping and condescending comments. To be honest, I'm getting fed up with seeing what comprises most of your posts. Take some of your own advice and, if you don't have anything constructive to say, don't say anything at all. Thanks. -- Brains12 \ talk 23:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I know you can manage this Wealedout. Think it thoroughly first.--ShadowFog 02:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Stay in and vote!

Get your desktop,lappie, iPhone, iPod, etc. ready. It's the voting phase. Don't tell anyone but I voted for NoXify... this will be fun to watch... well for a awhile.--ShadowFog 13:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Auron voted for Nox, I think it would be hilarious if Brains did too. --Riddle 13:54, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm ineligible to vote, won't make a difference but still my name will appear there and in the history page. Auron voted for Noxify? I don't see it anywhere. Still for anyone eligible, active or gives a damn, hey, vote.--Wealedout 17:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Voting is an awful system (especially the way this wiki handles it), and yet there's so few people voting that my vote actually makes some semblance of a difference. I'm torn. :/ -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 20:20, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Vote not out of actually caring about the outcome, but out of cynicism to prove the ineffectiveness of a direct voting system! If Noxify got elected, even GWW may think twice about their scheme for elections. ¬ «Ðêjh» (talk) 00:18, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I just saw Auron's vote,"row row fight the powah". Just had to click history like everything else. Then later Auron posted "removing biased vote", his vote.I think he was making fun of Noxify, for that matter,I think he was(<--repeat) making fun of anyone voting for him. So that was biased?Even for proving the system wrong, voting is for that and for you qualified non voters;the wiki doesn't have as many people as I thought or a lot don't vote--Wealedout 00:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

You don't see how Auron is biased in this? Noxify tried to get him banned in-game and demoted on wiki, and when that failed he ran for bureaucrat so he could demote Auron - just in case you didn't notice that little shitstorm. He's not making fun of Noxify, he's removing an honestly biased vote.

Also, it's not that GWW's system of voting is terrible, it's that the entire concept of voting is terrible, whether it's done on a wiki, in a school or club, or as part of a national government. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 00:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

First, you don't vote in favor of a person who tried to "demote" you, second did you post your idea that the voting system is "flawed" in the bureaucrat pages for discussion?, you should have brought that up in the discussion phase of the bureaucrat election. As it is now, is fine. Only users who have over 100 post (not including the user pages and other non guild wars related pages) are qualified to vote also proving my point that the wiki is being used more to defend ourselves and talk smack, thus I am archiving this topic.--Wealedout 03:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't archive things that are less than a day old, especially when you ask questions and don't give other people time to respond - it's quite rude. Yes, I and others pointed out on wiki and off wiki that voting as a whole sucks when this wiki was being formed, and no it is not fine as it is now. Why shouldn't Auron vote for Noxify if he wants? He's perfectly allowed to. Provide proof for your statements instead of just saying "you don't do x" or "y is fine" or "the wiki is used for z", especially when you're so obviously wrong. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 14:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Stop messing with my pages Armond. Vandalism is not the way out. Any personal beef you have, now that is October, take it out with candy. They are sweet. This topic is more than a day old. I'm not interested in what you write in my discussion page, I have wrote that before. Messing with ShadowFog posts on my disscussion is not helping you.--Wealedout 16:15, 22 October 2008 (UTC)