Guild Wars Wiki talk:Requests for adminship/Erasculio
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Santax[edit]
His reply reminds me of all the people who got easily offended at Auron's argumentation/general talking style, even though being polite isn't a requirement for being a sysop - I can name quite a few who use a extremely confrontational writing/typing style. Pika Fan 17:01, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- It just seems to me that outright stating "So no, I'm not going to be respectable anymore" does not sound like something a sysop would say. I take issue with the fact that he never seems to want to discuss things before doing them - if he comes across opposition he literally ignores every single word and becomes aggressive. Being a polite isn't a technical requirement - but it certainly helps with conflict resolution, which is an important part of being a sysop. He finds it difficult to remain civil during discussions when he comes up against opposition, from my own personal experience - an experience which a quick glance at his talk page tells me that others seem to share. And the difference between Erasculio and Auron is that Auron does not constantly seem to be embroiled in drama (as far as I can see anyway) - there is a difference between being confrontational and, as much as I hate to say it, just being a dick. --Santax (talk · contribs) 17:16, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- All the walls of text on the pages you linked showed that, at least, he had put in effort to reply each and every concern of yours with solid reasoning. If "ignoring every single word" is the only thing he does, clearly, he wouldn't do what I mentioned in my previous sentence. P.S. Your last sentence, is quite frankly wrong. Pika Fan 17:24, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- The "solid reasoning" was just him repeating the same thing over and over again. The way he went about renaming the images involved putting on delete tags that didn't link to any sort of discussion - something that a delete tag should provoke. When I tried to change this I was reverted. The discussion was then missed by admins and the images were deleted. But I'm not going to argue the point any further - last time it was extremely tiresome and frustrating and I'll be damned if I'm getting into it again. And as for the last sentence - I'm assuming you're referring to the "dick" part - well, that's just my personal interpretation. But you have to admit, him posting that sarcastic little message on my GW2W talk page long after I had made it clear I didn't want to have anything to do with him doesn't do him any favours. --Santax (talk · contribs) 17:39, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- One thing I forgot to mention in my candidate statement and was reminded by Felix is how being a sysop here would make me a sysop on the GW2 Wiki, and then I would finally be able to rename all those images. We discussed the subject and reached a consensus to have shorter names, but I have avoided renaming everything until we get the "Move image" feature there in order to not overtax the current sysops. Erasculio 17:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- The "solid reasoning" was just him repeating the same thing over and over again. The way he went about renaming the images involved putting on delete tags that didn't link to any sort of discussion - something that a delete tag should provoke. When I tried to change this I was reverted. The discussion was then missed by admins and the images were deleted. But I'm not going to argue the point any further - last time it was extremely tiresome and frustrating and I'll be damned if I'm getting into it again. And as for the last sentence - I'm assuming you're referring to the "dick" part - well, that's just my personal interpretation. But you have to admit, him posting that sarcastic little message on my GW2W talk page long after I had made it clear I didn't want to have anything to do with him doesn't do him any favours. --Santax (talk · contribs) 17:39, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- All the walls of text on the pages you linked showed that, at least, he had put in effort to reply each and every concern of yours with solid reasoning. If "ignoring every single word" is the only thing he does, clearly, he wouldn't do what I mentioned in my previous sentence. P.S. Your last sentence, is quite frankly wrong. Pika Fan 17:24, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- The difference is that Auron is able to resolve conflicts, even while being a dick. Eras, sadly, has not shown that ability. Karate
Jesus 19:39, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Instead of getting sysop primarily to be able to get the move privilege on GW2W (by the way, becoming a sysop here does not automatically make you a sysop over there), you might should remind Emily that the rights are still not changed for it on GW2W... poke | talk 20:49, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Like this, you mean? Also, I don't remember saying "primarily"... Erasculio 20:51, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Poke, it was my understanding that being a sysop here is indeed grounds for grandfathering onto GW2W. The bureaucrats on GW2W are still cycled in sync with the ones here.
elix Omni 21:28, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Poke, it was my understanding that being a sysop here is indeed grounds for grandfathering onto GW2W. The bureaucrats on GW2W are still cycled in sync with the ones here.
- Like this, you mean? Also, I don't remember saying "primarily"... Erasculio 20:51, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- Instead of getting sysop primarily to be able to get the move privilege on GW2W (by the way, becoming a sysop here does not automatically make you a sysop over there), you might should remind Emily that the rights are still not changed for it on GW2W... poke | talk 20:49, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Re: demeanor[edit]
- "even though being polite isn't a requirement for being a sysop" - I don't think anyone ever said it is, but if he starts banning everyone he disagrees with (which is what his own statement implies) on the basis of NPA policy or Dev-Talk page trolling while pretending what he does so often is NOT PA's/Escalation, then you've got one hell of a hypocritical situation on your hands and someone will need to ban him and we'll just end up with an even uglier Pling-v-Wyn battle. -- Admit it guys, this big push for so many new Sysops is a bit Awkward to say the least and you don't have to rubber stamp EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM just b/c that Tanaric guy used to be some kinda wiki demigod. It almost seems to me like the guy is just trying to make a point about a broken election/policy system... *boggle* --ilr
23:14, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- No, you won't have that sort of battle. Erasculio doesn't have the personal following that Wyn or Pling has. If he abuses sysop tools, he will be swiftly denied that ability, no lasting harm done.
- Our election system was broken from the beginning -- democratic systems have no place on the wiki when meritocratic systems are possible. That is not the point I am trying to make. I stopped fighting that battle years ago and it has nothing to do with me pushing for more admins.
- Also, since Erasculio is at a 1:1 support/oppose, a far cry from the 3:1 needed to "pass" according to policy, this is nowhere close to "rubber stamping every single one of them."
- —Tanaric 02:24, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- So it's just a coincidence that his vision vicariously fights your old war; but is currently the downfall of his approval? IoW: His definition of "Merit" seems to have scared away more than a couple votes. But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with what you're doing (It's other people saying that). Also, since it's only been 2 days of voting, I'm gonna label you a Pessimist after my own Heart <3 --ilr 04:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- Meritocracy in the election system has everything to do with "his(Era's) vision(which contains nothing about meritocracy in elections) vicariously fights your old war(Tanaric's push for meritocracy in elections)", I am sure. Next, stating facts(such as the current 1:1 support/oppose) = pessimism in your book, I suppose that isn't surprising since your comments thus far on the wiki have been equally far-fetched and presumptuous. Really, stop being a conspiracy theorist, if you really have to be, at least do it properly and get your facts right. Pika Fan 16:08, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- So it's just a coincidence that his vision vicariously fights your old war; but is currently the downfall of his approval? IoW: His definition of "Merit" seems to have scared away more than a couple votes. But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with what you're doing (It's other people saying that). Also, since it's only been 2 days of voting, I'm gonna label you a Pessimist after my own Heart <3 --ilr
- —Tanaric 02:24, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- Erasculio's ideals line up with mine, but I did not know that when I proposed him for sysop. His sysop status is completely irrelevant for fighting those battles if he chooses to. As I've stated twice now, I have no intention of revamping our election system at all -- with the possible exception of allowing bcrats to act as sysops if they've been successfully RfA'd, depending on if the discussion on DE's talk page blows up. —Tanaric 18:55, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
