Talk:Cauldron of Cataclysm

Source

This information came from ??? -- Wyn/talk 05:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

The Ecology of the Charr. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 05:49, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I Wonder...

Is this the giant thing from Pre-Searing's Northlands Area, you know, where the bosses were? It is probably not it, because it was pretty easy to capture later, in the Ruins of Surmia.(they do look similar) Or is it in some place we haven't been to yet? There are still large chunks of the continent to explore.70.108.191.36 00:24, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Yea, its the same thing. At least im pretty sure. --Tryx3 07:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Elder Dragons?

"It is said that the magic powering the cauldron was older than even the Titans, powered by beings who had long ago fallen into sleep." Seems like these to me. @ 93 12:30, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

That is the general thought, yes. Though some apparently thinks this leads to Abaddon. It could be something else as well, of course. Edit: My thought also lies with Abaddon, as the Searing which the Cauldron of Cataclysm caused sounds a lot like the events in the Scriptures of Abaddon. Specifically "The twilight sky shattered and stars streaked down" and "transforming the sky above into a midnight void" - and very hot objects meeting very cool water would thus explode from the drastic heat change - and with it being falling, it would explode under the surface of the water thus causing "seas boiled and ruptured" and possibly even "gave birth to a maelstrom" -- Konig/talk 19:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I know this is old, but in the interest of continuity, I'd just like to point out that sort of event happened atleast 3 times in the history of the lore; and each time, it took place in a region where a Dragon was known to be sleeping. That can't be a coincidence or solely the power of a god who was bound the last 2 times. The Asura powered their entire city and gates off just one of them ... floating cubes, floating rocks, spatial manipulation ...seeing a pattern yet? Old'six-eyes there could have just been taking advantage of a gravitational ability he had very little to do with. ...nothing else could explain how the damn things even get off the ground (and leave a huge "scar" where they fly). --ilr 08:45, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

"that sort of event happened atleast 3 times in the history of the lore; and each time, it took place in a region where a Dragon was known to be sleeping" - Cataclysm:Zhaitan; Searing:...; Abaddon's Scriptures:... - there is no dragon in the Crystal Desert/Sea or Ascalon. Kralkatorrik, the one who is in the desert during gw2, is in the Charr Homelands. Primordus only powered the gate network, not floating cubes and there are no floating rocks near him. And EoD does a damn well good job at explaining how Kralkatorrik got off of the ground. He has huge ass wings that block out the sky. Not to mention that Glint's thoughts state that the Elder Dragons are "more magical than physical" and not to mention that Kralkatorrik's very body turns into a sandstorm. -- Konig/talk 09:33, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Only 4 of the Dragons have known locations and the Story of Jadoth occurred over 1000 years ago meaning that current geography can't be used to rule anything out. And when the GW2 storyline eventually returns to Elona, you can be guaranteed one of the unaccounted-for Dragons will show up in close enough proximity. --ilr 05:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

'Beings that fell into sleep' > 'Beings' >'Being>S<' plural. abbadon is singular, thus dragons are most likely 109.148.54.219 10:01, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

However, the cauldron mimics Kralkatorrik's power - Kralkatorrik is singular. Konig/talk 19:46, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Looking at the storyline it's definitly Abaddon. If you know who is the greater force behind the Titans it leaves little to discuss what the origins of the cauldron's powers are, Konig's lore parts support it even more. The Elder Dragons do have influence in Tyria but not in such a form. Since they radiate powerful magic prominent locations such as the Central Transfer Chamber (Primordus) and Arah (Zhaitan) are structures profiting of the magic they emit while sleeping. On the latter part that Arah the city of the old gods has been build on top of Zhaitan you can conclude the Elder Dragons predate the gods. Da Mystic Reaper 20:02, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

If the power which fueled The Searing was older than the Titans, and the Titans themselves are sourced in the Domain of Anguish, that would seem to indicate that the source of the power is older than Abaddon, it being him which created the DoA. Wouldn't that indicate something other than Abaddon? ~ A R A ~ 04:32, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Nothing links the titans' origin with the Foundry of Failed Creations. They are created by a process, not a place (unlike Stygian demons). Also, with Abaddon having a predecessor, it's highly likely that the Realm of Torment (and thus Domain of Anguish) was not made by him thus can easily be older than him. Konig/talk 04:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

The Gods were never asleep... not even Abbadon. The only thing MIA up to this point was the True Giants which Anet has yet to synchronize completely with the Dragons' timelines. It is assumed however they perished rather than went into sleeping, which rules out everything but the Dragons themselves --ilr 05:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Technically speaking, Dhuum and Abaddon both went into a stasis of some sort. Not sleeping like you and I do daily, but still a dormant state which is often considered sleeping. Dhuum moreso than Abaddon. Konig/talk 06:00, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, Abaddon very well could have created the Titans himself, or they could have come after him when his influence there was stronger. Either way, he would be older than the Titans and could be the "older power". It doesn't actually say how much older. Also, considering how Abaddon's influence destroyed Orr and a not insignificant chunk of Cantha, it's not so outlandish that he had a hand in destroying Ascalon as well by making the cauldron and giving it to his underlings to give to the Charr. Blue Totoro 19:51, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Image needed

I believe we need an image. If we cannot get one, simply remove the image. Spotina Talk 18:08, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

The cauldron exists in Pre (where the bosses are - and during the cinematic). So an image can be obtained. -- Konig/talk 18:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC)