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Hello, fighterdoken, and welcome to the Official Guild Wars Wiki! If you need help with anything, please feel free to add a message to my talk page. I highly recommend that you check out the "Welcome to the wiki" page - it's extremely useful as an initial guide. Best of luck and happy editing! --§ Eloc § 00:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

That's a very nice quote at the bottom. Calor - talk 01:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Price research for runes/insignias

All unidentified rune prices are 25g I believe, if that helps you any.--§ Eloc § 13:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Yup, but that section is just to confirm that the data is acurate... (if someone puts a non-25 value in there, then that data input may be excluded :P)--Fighterdoken 16:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

and all runes have the same rarity as their source items. - Y0_ich_halt Have a look at my page 19:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Same as before... one has to put a bit of redundant information if he wants to be sure the info is right... :)--Fighterdoken 20:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
...k... xD - Y0_ich_halt Have a look at my page 20:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
And if you want people to contribute, perhaps it would be better to make a subpage of that research in your namespace (User:Fighterdoken/Price research on runes and insignia?). Edits by others on the main userpages flag most sysops. -- CoRrRan (CoRrRan / talk) 20:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
*Goes and ninja CoRrRan's idea* (i mean, not like anyone will help, and not like i will finish someday with a 1000+ entries sample, but if changing the page every 5 mins shoots an alarm, then it must be done :P)--Fighterdoken 23:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's not that that will happen very fast :-), but it's just that I always check main userpages when edits are done by someone else. -- CoRrRan (CoRrRan / talk) 23:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I've tested it for some time: All unidentified UPGRADES: 25g. Identified upgrades: From a Blue item: 26..50g. From a purple item: 26..100g. From a gold item: 26..150g. Yup, the system for prices is the same for both armor and weapon upgrades. MithImage:User MithranArkanere Star.pngTalk 12:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
That doesn't seem consistent with the data i have gathered so far. Blue upgrades coming from any rarity of item (weapons included) are at 26..50g, Purple runes would be at 52..100g so far, and gold runes at 104..200g. I still need confirmation for the max-value on purple and golds, and in any case haven't seen only once a purple or gold bellow the price i state here.--Fighterdoken 17:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

It just occurred to me that I was very rude to you. I edited your comment on Help:Ask a game question as you had sever and gash reversed. I'm sorry about that, but my neurosis overcomes my social sense sometimes. - Image:User HeWhoIsPale sig.PNG HeWhoIsPale 22:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

So... that was why it didn't work for my wammo? XD. No worries, i did it from memory, so didn't check if it was right while writting it.--Fighterdoken 22:11, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doken?

Are you a Dokken fan?Image:User Ereanor sig.jpgreanor 00:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Can you eat that? (short for "nope, and no clue what it is"). Name comes from 8-bit theater... the move where Black Mage runs out of spells and attack by throwing Fighter instead of his usual Hadoken --Fighterdoken 00:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Alright then..its time for...BOAT-DOKEN!--Ryudo 02:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Is it a Nice Boat? (memes 4tw)--Fighterdoken 02:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GWW:NOTICE

Remember to use lvl 3 headers on the Noticeboard, not lvl 2. — ク Eloc 貢 06:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

And i use preview and all... that's what i get for staying up this late XD...
On a side note, you really should check people's edits historial before giving "helpful advices" (just to check if it was a mistake or lack of knowledge, i mean)... i think i can guess why so many people are getting on their nerves lately. Is easier to just fix the mistake silently instead of giving the change for starting a discution, as stated somewhere out there :) --Fighterdoken 06:32, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
No, it's just a friendly reminder, nothing more. If you think you're up late, I haven't slept in 2 days...well, 'night. — ク Eloc 貢 07:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Waka

waka - Y0_ich_halt Have a look at my page 20:57, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Waka waka.--Fighterdoken 20:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
o rly? - Y0_ich_halt Have a look at my page 20:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
ya rly--Fighterdoken 21:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
no wai! o.o - Y0_ich_halt Have a look at my page 21:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
lol WAKA WAKA WAKA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAA ^^ lol ---Killerwolf999 23:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Bah, you had to follow with a "yes wai!" instead XD... And just if anyone wonders, i blame the AI issues template for this...--Fighterdoken 23:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk Pages Archive

Hey Fighterdoken, just got round to reading policy on user talk pages (after spending time looking for the thing), and yeah, I see the error of my ways though I don't understand what harm could be done be deleting a welcome message to me. Well, this is basically to say thanks for been polite and it won't happen again. Draco 16:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I think the same, but since the policy is still there, it has to be followed. In any case, there is a proposal for allowing deletion of certain items without need to archive them (like those welcome messages), so it may be a matter of time.--Fighterdoken 16:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
No one deletes my welcomes! :P — ク Eloc 貢 00:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
... Yet. Trying to make ourselves known so we can go for that bureaucrat sit, just looking to make a point by finding safe ways to get people's attention (and annoy some while on it), or just working on some kind of Thesis?--Fighterdoken 01:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Wow, you sure did your research :P. Also, welcomes have nothing to do with Beaurocrat or Sysop. I'm just being nice by welcoming people. :P — ク Eloc 貢 17:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Nah, had i done the research, i would have found the page with the "i am having fun with all this" comment after some suspicious argument, but i am too lazy for it.--Fighterdoken 18:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Alright XD — ク Eloc 貢 18:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Time For Heroes

I saw you tagged for speedy del cos its vandalism but I thought might be worth making a redirect to the real page. Failed abysmally and I'm too wiki-noob to understand why. Cassie 22:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

The redirect is working fine here... maybe just a cache issue with your browser? In any case yes, a redirect may be a better idea.--Fighterdoken 22:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Yep. That was it. Thanks. Cassie 22:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GWW:RFC

Remember to add items to the top of the list, not the bottom ;) — ク Eloc 貢 21:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Doh!... thought it was the same as with talk pages :P --Fighterdoken 21:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] vandalism

It was vandalism, assuredly. No regrets about it either. I know that it can be easily reverted.

Thanks for the concern SnowBunny 06:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] i know i'm late but...

thanks :) —ZerphatalkThe Improver 17:24, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

So... was the block named "name" the problem then? :P--Fighterdoken 18:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
more or less, looks like i forgot to "close" one of those switch parameters. Happily you noticed that. —ZerphatalkThe Improver 00:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lol

at (diff) (hist) . . m! User:Fighterdoken/Sandbox2‎; 21:45 . . (+936) . . Fighterdoken (Talk | contribs | block) (yatta!) -- Brains12 \ Talk 21:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I mean, if just doing copy-paste makes things work... XD.--Fighterdoken 21:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Oh rly?

in reference 2 ur comment on Eloc's RFA page, what don't u feel i get?--Sum Mesmer GuyImage:User sum mesmer guy signiture.png‎ 17:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Fighterdoken is talking about Eloc -- Brains12 \ Talk 17:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Eloc had nothing 2 do with my nomination.--Sum Mesmer GuyImage:User sum mesmer guy signiture.png‎ 17:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Your nomination is Eloc - the response was about Eloc. -- Brains12 \ Talk 17:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Eloc knew nothing of my intentions until i told him right b4 i made the page. i reckon that Fighterdoken was implyin that whoever's idea the RFA was doesn't get something, and i wanna know what.--Sum Mesmer GuyImage:User sum mesmer guy signiture.png‎ 17:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, i will reword it since you don't get it XD. But yes, the target was Eloc.--Fighterdoken 17:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
still, eloc can't do anything if someone nominates him, so it has nothing to do with him not understanding it :P - Y0_ich_halt Have a look at my page 18:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
So? I am not voting against him just because he was nominated or because he nominated himself. I am voting against him because he is still out of focus on his work if he wants (as he himself has expressed several times) to go for an adminship position. Besides, i would request that further discussion about the election be placed on the respective talk page, an not here.--Fighterdoken 18:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
why not? it's about your vote afterall :P - Y0_ich_halt Have a look at my page 18:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
When did I nominate myself? — ク Eloc 貢 00:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
You didn't. He's saying he didn't vote how he did simply because of the way the RfA started. Calor Talk 01:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
kk, just making sure that his vote wasn't made under false pretenses. — ク Eloc 貢 03:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Just to settle this... No i didn't vote against because it's Eloc. I voted against because i don't feel Eloc's contributions since the last RfA/RfB are within what i would like to see from someone with admin powers (and i am not talking about content contributions here). Progress has been made since the "welcome template" and the "i have over 9000 contributions" times, sure, but there is still room for improvement... a lot...--Fighterdoken 06:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Guild:Omg Where Is My

u werent refering to me as the vandal were u? --Shadowphoenix Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg 04:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Nope, check historial, there was a lot of vandalizing on that page, previous region was set as America before the change you removed :P.--Fighterdoken 05:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
ah ok I wonder why so much vandal --Shadowphoenix Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg 05:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Editing my alliance pages

Why did you go through and edit all my alliance guilds to remove my template? — Rappy 00:27, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm guessing it was to get any red links off Special:Wantedpages and to be the same as the recently modified alliance nav. -- Brains12 \ Talk 00:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
That was the main reason, but only because of the "transclusion" thing-a-majumbo on the guild policy. If i got it right, guild pages are not supposed to use templates from outside the Template: namespace. In any case, the change should be easy to revert if i made a mistake.--Fighterdoken 00:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I would have rather been informed that alliance nav was changed and allowed to do the edits myself... also, I created the template because at the time, my alliance was going through a lot of temporary guilds, and editing 9-10 pages alliance nav templates got old, so I created ONE template to do the work of 9. So if there is no objection, I will change my template to allieviate the red links and utilize if exists and place them back on those pages. — Rappy 00:37, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
So put it in the guild space instead? ;) — Galil Talk page 00:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Was thinking the same (because none has said yet that i got wrong what "transclude" meant :P)--Fighterdoken 02:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Transclude is right in the aspect you are thinking... mainly means 'linking' to a page that is not in it's own namespace or whatever, but a template is a template no matter where it is, it really doesn't make sense to me as to how the specific 'location' makes any difference at all. — Rappy 02:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Also, User:Rappy/Alliance has been changed to impliment {{ifexists}} and will no longer litter Special:Wantedpages — Rappy 02:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Ow, i see (even though wording says namespace, but we know wording and what it means are not related XD). Actually i though about changing the template on your userpage, but since that would actually have been more invasive, decided to change the guild pages instead.--Fighterdoken 02:32, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Actually, it means more like "including a text in another, as an instance instead of copying". Anyway, I'd agree that there's no solid reason for you to move it. I'd never tell people to follow policies to the letter and as long as you have a good reason to have it they way you have it, then I have no reason to tell you not to. As an OOP-programmer, I can't help thinking that it doesn't belong anywhere other than the Guild namespace though, but that's just me. :P — Galil Talk page 02:34, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Well as I said, I find myself the most active on the wiki out of my alliance, and find myself fixing the Alliance navs on my guilds respective pages. I created the template in my namespace and not in the Template: namespace as to not clutter it more than it is. I make one change in my template and it updates on 9 pages... so I'd really like to add it back. Takes up one spot in RC rather than 9-10 if we make alliance changes. — Rappy 02:37, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was something like that, but my point was that you could have made it at Guild:Avatars Of Melandru/Alliance or Guild:Gods Of Deaths Sanctuary/Alliance (seeing as they're your alliance leaders) instead. Not gonna argue though, but I got the impression you misunderstood me, as Fighterdoken didn't quote the entire line in the policy. You are also allowed to transclude pages from the Guild namespace. — Galil Talk page 02:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Collectors

you do have a good point we'll have to figure out how to show what each collector offers, but I do think it would be best to do that on the collectors page to keep the original ones as simple as they can be thank --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Jonysmokes (talk).

[edit] Bot

"(this is the part i realize all of this could have been done with a bot?)" - yep, that's exactly what I thought :P But feel free to go on :D poke | talk 18:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

At least going to finish with the prophecies unique list. If no bot run happends before i have free time again (*hint* *hint*... uniques tagged as "weapon-stub", "item-stub" and just "stub"), will just keep editing one by one... it's just copy-paste in the end.--Fighterdoken 18:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to add a bot request at GWW:BOTS :) poke | talk 18:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Format Chat

Check it out. My Post -- RavenJWolfe image:User_RavenJWolfe_Icon4sig.png 18:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Belated Thx

Thank you for moving my character artical so it conforms with the user pages policy--SirFranz 00:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why..

Do you honestly care whats in peoples userspace? There is an X in the corner of your page for a reason, for that matter theres a green arrow that magically takes you away. Is GWW that immature? Sure the story was sexually explicit but it was funny, Dont read it if you dont want to, but dont get all offended when you decide to chance it.--Shadowsin 03:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

So you want reasons beyond the fact that the OP wasn't posting on his own talk page and was just trolling on someone elses with random garbage and also that at that time he was circumventing a ban which had already been placed on his account? You mean apart from all that right? -- Salome 03:48, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Simple. Cookies have to stay in the cookies section. Poison rat on the poison rat section. I don't want cookies on my poison rat. (Meaning, this wiki is for documenting GW, not every thing that comes up into existence). I can't (because of lack of policies and pants) fight against everything that is not GW related, but i can at least try to get content that Anet wouldn't want on their sites out of here also. Plus, i don't get the last saying in anything.--Fighterdoken 04:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Its not like he made an article, it was in his blasted userspace for crissake. And it was a joke. If you dont want to see it dont look imo.--Shadowsin 04:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I find your lack of pants disturbing. - THARKUN 06:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


(Reset indent) I suggest all three of you have a look at this. --Shadowphoenix Image:User-Shadowphoenix Shadow Phoenix Signet.jpg 06:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reverting Changes

Is there an easy way to revert changes?

Not really, just click on history, go back to the last revision that is right, click it, click edit and save.--Fighterdoken 00:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Help:Reverting. -- Brains12 \ Talk 14:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name

I liked the Boatdoken better :P 71.31.149.63 22:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nomination

I have nominated you for adminship (Yay u!!!!!). Please make a clear acceptance or decline on GWW:RFA. Good Luck, hope u get it :o) --Shadowphoenix Please, talk to me; I'm so lonley ;-; 17:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I think i will pass for now, sorry. I have not the time required for performing the tasks, nor i have the knowledge of policy application, community management, or coding required to actually accomplish something by using the admin tools (even if nothing of this has proven to be a requeriment actually). Maybe in the future, but not right now.--Fighterdoken 21:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to say that there is no need to create the RfA page now ;) poke | talk 23:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeh Fighterdoken, as,when and if you choose to run, you will have my vote! -- Salome 23:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] bugged dedrimor items

hey hey mate, do you have any idea where i could put a notice to warn people that the gold weapons that are now purchasable after hell's precipice aren't allowing themselves to be modded properly, e.g. shields don't accept handles etc... -- Salome 23:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Each item would be the proper place i think, but i would go for a note in the update article, since it will catch more attention there, and is related too.--Fighterdoken 23:37, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Support

Hey Fighterdoken, as my recent RFA has been resolved successfully I want to thank you for taking the time to support me :) --Kakarot Talk 02:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] In-Game THEFT with shadow-step skill

Nice comment you left on my talk page. NOT!. The Scamming page doesn't mention a shadow-step skill and i will add that to it. Just to warn other players. --Silverleaf Image:User Silverleaf sig.png 23:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Uhm, i was pretty sure it was, since this has been a known scamming tactic since i first came to the wiki. In any case, please do so, since documenting such methods is useful in that article.--Fighterdoken 23:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Why does this span across four different talk pages? If there's a "new" scam happening, put it on the scam talk page, or add it to the page itself. --Pling! \ Brains12 \ Talk 23:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
It started in two, then i left a message on the user's talk page about it, then he answered here after stopping and deciding to document such method... so it spans because the user probably was not aware of the proper procedure to follow in this case. It should have stopped now.--Fighterdoken 23:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] storage tab

Cool, i didn't know that eotn gives an extra storage tab for the vault box if you don't have all campaigns. :d But shouldn't we merge and reword these two notes then? —ZerphatalkThe Improver 21:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

If you can, please do so. I tried, but my english is not good enough to specify it while making clear the fact that the 4-storage tab limit remains. That's why i decided to just go the lazy way with a new note. --Fighterdoken 21:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
tbh i also could not think of any too good phrasing yet, possibly because i'm already a bit tired :P I'll try to change it tomorrow if nobody else already did then. —ZerphatalkThe Improver 22:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What kind of 'Statistics' do you want?

I'm here to play, not to conduct a scientific study of how much stuff salvages if I use a Superior salvage kit rather than and expert, but after 9000 play hours and literally hundreds of thousands of drops, I can tell you that I get more materials if I use a Superior kit than if I use an Expert kit. If you wish to dedicate your play hrs to documenting every single item you salvage, go for it.--Go to Wynthyst's Talk page Wynthyst 22:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, we kinda do it already, but we have never before separated the salvage rates according to the type of salvage kit used, which could actually prove to be useful if the information varies between them as you state. I can't really accept the statement as true just because you have "over nine thousand" (*smirk*) hours salvaging items, but i can't reject it either because which you state may be true after all. I am only saying that if it is, it has to be backed up by data so we can include it in the respective articles, and if it is not true, we may need the same data to reject such statement if it is included in the same articles. Since you actually put attention to such difference (which i must say i have not payed attention to), i thought you had gathered data about it, but meh.--Fighterdoken 23:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, I don't sit here and keep a tally of what salvages, but I know when I use Superior kits, my materials accumulate much faster than if I'm using Expert kits, that tells me I'm getting more from the salvages. And why the smirk? I DO have over 9000 play hours, just go look at my characters and their achievements and consider the hundreds of times I have done missions/quests helping guild/alliance:P --Go to Wynthyst's Talk page Wynthyst 00:14, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Internet culture reference to the expression "It's over nine thousand" coined in 4chan i think... but whatever.
About the other, there are still things to consider like the rarity of drops, value of items droped in the zone, expansion, playing mode, etc. Unless you can actually provide information that confirms that nothing of these affects the outcome, i think this doesn't go beyond another "gold drop rate was nerfed after this patch" (meaning, player appreciation and actual data are not really related, you could pretty much have a extreme good luck with your characters when salvaging).--Fighterdoken 00:25, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Black Bear

Seriously guys, at this point is better to just let it cool down a bit instead of keeping the revert war going. But a protect requestion could be useful also.--Fighterdoken 23:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Nah, this is fun :p Calor Talk 23:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I have to think the admins would have done so already if they were active/around/attentive. So at this point, I doubt the request would get anywhere. In the meantime, we get to spam RC. Yay? — THARKUN 23:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Exactly the reason why I say we need more sysops :P --Shadowphoenix Please, talk to me; I'm so lonley ;-; 00:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
But that would ruin our fun! Lord Belar 00:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) But then what would we do for kicks? ;) *Defiant Elements* +talk 00:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Yes, but is hard to get more when all your candidates end in a revert war with a wanna-be raptors :).--Fighterdoken 00:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Don't care :D Calor Talk 00:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) What about me *sniff* --Shadowphoenix Please, talk to me; I'm so lonley ;-; 00:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that is a problem, isn't it? :P *Defiant Elements* +talk 00:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
hehe, why is it that everytime I mention my user rights it ends a discussion :P lol jk --Shadowphoenix Please, talk to me; I'm so lonley ;-; 00:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
The answer should be obvious. Lord Belar 00:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh I was just kidding, dont go all serious on me ;o) lol --Shadowphoenix Please, talk to me; I'm so lonley ;-;
Thank you for proving me right. Lord Belar 00:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
huh? --Shadowphoenix Please, talk to me; I'm so lonley ;-; 00:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Pwned. — ク Eloc 貢 15:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] huh?

"i am not hearing thriller, and you can't prove the opposite" huh? --Shadowphoenix Please, talk to me; I'm so lonley ;-; 06:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Blame lensor and his template... trying to see if it can be cleaned up, but the link to mini-pet will not be removed sadly actually is easier to just go to those 50 pages and fix the links :/.--Fighterdoken 06:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bcrats

Since you mentioned it before, is the current solution in Guild Wars Wiki talk:Adminship/draft E acceptable to you? Backsword 05:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

If you were talking about the "bcrats as sysops" issue, i think the current draft covers the concerns i had before. I don't see any other issue with it.--Fighterdoken 05:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Humor

<3 - anja talk 19:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Omgomgomgomg <3 -- Brains12 \ talk 19:17, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
<3 <3 <3 Kokuou 19:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
huh? - Y0_ich_halt 19:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I think this maybe helpful to put things into context (turn the audio to the minimum to avoid the horrible dubbing). It originates on a Gif image from years ago... and then derived into stuff like this.--Fighterdoken 20:58, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Didn't realise that was why you said it... I just remembered the original quote from the film :P -- Brains12 \ talk 21:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Normal sysops?

We have those here??? :P --Wyn's Talk page Wynthyst 07:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC) (I hope anyone reading this knows it is completely a joke)

There is no such thing! - anja talk 07:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
It's true. (On a side note, gogo purple and turquoise sigs.) Go to Aiiane's Talk page (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 07:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Guild Page Naming

Ok, if guild page naming per policy is so important how is it that Guild:Gwonline_Guild has been allowed to go on for so long. They state right in their opening paragraph that the guild's name is Guild Wars Online Guild, yet their page continues to be Gwonline Guild. I guess I'm just a little fed up that my efforts at reworking the guild page policy have been completely and totally ignored because as ab.er.Rant puts it 'guild pages are trivial', yet there is all this inconsistency in the way things are done, and enforced. Oh nvm, just found the answer to my own question. --Wyn's Talk page Wynthyst 06:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) If you take 15 seconds to check the actual page, you will see a link to a "guild of the week" article where the guild is clearly called "GWOnline Guild [GWO]", and from the text of their guild page, there is no reason to belive they are not called "Gwonline Guild" in-game (because it appears that they were more worried about the tag than the name actually).
This is not the case of the other guild page. They clearly said that there was no "The Pirates" guild in their alliance, and that they called themselves that way because of a naming pattern. What will happend if the actual guild called "The Pirates" tries to create their page?. The in-game name part of the policy is there to avoid naming conflicts, and has to be followed.
As a last note, the discussion on the guild policy relates to content mainly, and the extension to which we want to police it. Naming, as per the way game integration works, is and cannot be in discussion here.--Fighterdoken 06:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, in that case, there should be no discussion about it, no 'suggestion that it be moved' it should just be moved to bring it into compliance. --Wyn's Talk page Wynthyst 07:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, but i am not actually sure about which guild of the alliance they would want to move the article (or if it will be moved at all instead of just deleted and recreated again), so it's up to the will of the main editor to decide the final destination.--Fighterdoken 08:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] guideline policy

The policy stating how and whether guidelines need to be followed that you asked for at the guild policy talk page does exist: Guild Wars Wiki:Guidelines. --Xeeron 08:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] No Content tagging

To alleviate your obvious issues with the guild page tagging I'm doing, I've gone back through all of the tags I've placed, and removed them from any page that has any info beyond the name of the guild. If you can give me even ONE benefit to the wiki the truly blank guild articles offer, I will stop until such time as consensus can be reached on changes to the guild article policy.--Wyn's Talk page Wynthyst 13:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Simple, to document that a guild under that name "exists". In any case, that is not really what ticked me off, but the fact that there was too much different criteria applied while tagging. By example, there was a page previously tagged for cleanup where the tag was removed by an admin because under the "it meets formatting" reasoning, but you just ignored it and tagged it again.
In the same topic, "blank pages" (that is, pages that include the formatting but with no actual content) would probably be better being tagged as {{guild-stub}} (as in, not enough info) instead of {{guild cleanup}} (as in, no formating, which is not true). And you also must note that several of the pages tagged were already close to meet the "6 months mark", and thus being deleted, but after the edits we will have to wait 6 more months maybe.--Fighterdoken 18:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Guild Stub House of BloodRose

Hey wondering if you could have a look at this and tell me what else i need to add Guild:House Of Bloodrose--Smiley 08:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Not much as per our current standards. You could try filling the information on the infobox and upload a screenshot of your guild's cape, but as it is right now, it's safe to remove the {{guild-stub}} tag if you want to do it.--Fighterdoken 17:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] LDoA and Survivor

→ moved from User:Fighterdoken

hey, sorry for typing here, didn't know how to PM, but what is your in game name? is it fighter doken, I think I've actually figured a way for survivor+defender, but need 2 guys to test it, and if someone else needs to know, you're the only one worth it. --Prince godrik 20:24, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Heh, nope, Fighterdoken is the handler name i use when i don't want my real username being known :).
Regarding the other method, if you are talking about the "Academy mission 2nd part + Alesia", i don't think of it as possible because there is actually something that will stop you: "Captain Suicide" (aka, Prince Rurik). He will just keep pushing ahead, and even if you stop attacking to give time for monsters to regen, he will just keep hitting them ruining your chances of deathleveling. It may be worth giving it a shot, but i seriously doubt it is possible. After all, we don't even know if LDoA is still attainable during the Academy mission.--Fighterdoken 20:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
And would take the several mounths of death lvling time but also as non stop time, as disconnecting (turning pc off) leaves the party... well, I am leaving this discussion anyway, thanks for everything --Prince godrik 00:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
After some experimenting i came across Error 059 anyway :/ --Prince godrik 19:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Maybe disconnecting could solve that. Remember that there is no way back from the ascalon mission, so after disconnecting and coming back you should still be there. Didn't you had problems with Rurik while testing?--Fighterdoken 23:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notable guild tag

Can you change the variable from n to notable? As Anja pointed out, n is the standard variable for No.--Wyn's Talk page Wynthyst 05:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Was just doing that... Job queue is 4,320 (*runs away*)--Fighterdoken 05:38, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Delete

Thanks for putting the tag on. Was in the process of looking up the template for it. |Foul Bane| 01:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NPA

very well. I hope ursan advocate isnt in breach too. It's an issue and people need to understand why. Spawnlegacy 10:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] runes/insignia price research

I finally added my major rune. With your current list, it's now quite certain that minor runes and insignia can reach a value from 25 Gold up to 50 Gold, major runes a value from 50 Gold up to 100 Gold and superior runes a value from 100 Gold up to 200 Gold. In other words, they can reach a value up to twice their unidentified merchant prize. I think that's worth a note on the articles, isn't it? —ZerphatalkThe Improver 21:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

It may be a good idea if "someone" adds it, since we have data now for proving it, and a way for fast-testing if there are doubts left.
(added) Oh, forgot to add, minimum prices of 25/50/100 would only be for unindentified (or trader) versions, identified minimum prices seem to be 26/52/104.--Fighterdoken 21:37, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh right, that's possibly also worth mentioning. —ZerphatalkThe Improver 21:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image link...

HAHAHAHA I'm such an idiot sometimes. But he had the name wrong anyway :P --Wyn's Talk page Wynthyst 22:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, he probably didn't realize he had to change the image name on his userpage, and just reuploaded instead of fixing the link. It happends...--Fighterdoken 22:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Guild Page Reverting

Hi, I noticed you "reverted" some Guild Pages I recently Tagged for Cleanup because of No Content. I dont consider Pages that contain nothing more then 3 empty Headings as Pages with Content! An {{Guild infobox}} with about 3 filled fields is no content either imo. --SilentStorm 19:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Policy currently doesn't state "i don't think it's content" as a reason valid for cleanup. Pages have been deleted in the past under the grounds of "no content besides name and/or formatting", but for the most part, having information in the infobox and having any way of contact information published is considerated "content".--Fighterdoken 19:07, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
The Reason for having Guild Pages on this Wiki is to show of/present your Guild isnt it? Tell me where Guild:Killers_Retreat or Guild:Shattered_Pride or Guild:Silly_Swedes does in any way archieve this? All those Pages are empty Pages just containing 3 empty Headings with NO Content and a more or less empty Guild infobox. No Content to me means that there is at least some sort of text describing the Guild. --SilentStorm 19:15, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
They all provide links to places where the information you are talking about is more than likely available. Plus, the reason for having Guild articles is to document the existance of such guilds, not to present themselves. That is what webpages are for.--Fighterdoken 19:18, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Seriously, we are talking about Guild articles but as far as I remember article means that there is some kind of text. I don't like to document guild boxes, that is simply not the purpose of the guild namespace. I agree with the deletion/cleanup tag. poke | talk 19:22, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Edit conflictStrange. Why do 80% of all Guild Pages discribe their Guild on the Guild Page then or provide some Information about the Guild there? An Infobox is no real Information about the Guild nor is it content imho. --SilentStorm 19:25, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Then you are free to re-tag them. After all, we know Poke's word is the law here.--Fighterdoken 19:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) They have information - in the infobox. Putting Kurzick in the infobox is the same as putting "We are Kurzick" text anywhere else. The information resides in the infobox itself -- it's simply a stub, it's not devoid of information. I don't think it requires {{guild cleanup}}. -- Brains12 \ talk 19:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
A Guild Page having "We are Kurzick" on the Page and nothing else would get a No Content aswell. As its no real information of the Guild itself. ie. no Description of the Guild. imo. --SilentStorm 19:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Fighterdoken and Pling here. No info is not the same as nothing under the headings. No info means no info. They even provide links to external sites, so they are of much use to people wanting to join the guild, imo. - anja talk 19:28, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
If I would like to join a guild I search for a guild either Ingame, know that particular Guild and contact the Leader/an Officer or I use Google to search for Information about the Guild or their Homepage. --SilentStorm 19:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

No information at all = cleanup. Lack of formatting = cleanup. Little information = stub. Also, we all have our different ways of contacting a guild or finding information -- the wiki is simply just another resource for that. -- Brains12 \ talk 19:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

i'd have to agree w/brains, a stub tag is more appropriate--Sum Mesmer GuyTalk to me NOW!! DO IT! contribs 19:41, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) Yeah I consider those Pages "No information at all about the Guild". It doesnt seem right to have an basicly blank white Page so it goes no content. --SilentStorm 19:45, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Edited infobox = content = information = no guild cleanup. Sorry, but it's not about what you personally consider information; information and details, and their presence, are facts. Unless someone tells me that an infobox doesn't count as information, those guild pages do not qualify for guild cleanup. -- Brains12 \ talk 19:49, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm a bit late getting into this conversation, but we have deleted all the empty pages. And by empty, I mean EMPTY. If you wish to see a required minimum content on pages, the policy needs to be changed, and there is a current change proposal in discussion. Guild Wars Wiki:Guild pages/draft 052508 --Wyn's Talk page Wynthyst 20:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


[edit] To someone who obviously knows it all

"Speaking of things killing the economy... Maybe i am wrong, but before EotN ectos were usually at 4.5-5k each. Now, months after ursanway, ectos are... you guess, 4.5-5k each... dang, they really ruined the economy. I am sure the change to SF for PvE will ruin the economy as much as ursan has XD.--Fighterdoken 22:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)" gg kyle, ectos went down to 3k

Check the article about Shadow Form to find the reasons why is not Ursan's fault :)... Or what, didn't you saw prices suddendly rising back to 5k after the patch, when all people thought favor had run out? :).--Fighterdoken 19:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

lol i know it isnt ursans fault, u wrote that to me when shadowform was buffed and i said it would ruin the economy. unless that last sentence isnt sarcasm as i assumed it was then.. gg read "i would like to thank you" section under the game updates discussion the for the day when shadowform was buffed (game updates/20080522), enjoy --Arrythmia 21:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, i see. Sorry, i thought this was just another "ursan" rant XD.
About the SF issue, yes, my prediction was totally wrong, but you have to admit that part of the blame for prices also resides on speculators and general market panic. People "believes" that the market is flooded by ectos, and is trying to sell to cut losses, thus forcing the price to go even lower. This was proven true by the July 2nd patch, that made the price rise again to 4-5k within hours, until people realized that favor was still available and thus the price went to the ground again. Note that the effect for prices of the "nerf" on SF was almost imperceptible, meaning that the skill is still abused, or that indeed SF was not the only one to be blamed.--Fighterdoken 22:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

i cant say its all shadowform, but its mostly shadowform,the rest is ursan, as soon as people figured out that u can perma ele 2ndary, everyone had a field day--Arrythmia 23:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

for pointing out that warning to me. Didn't notice it there. :D Kokuou 23:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good thing...

...that you marked that post as unsigned. Can't have that. Backsword 03:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

XD. At least i didn't told him that he should remember to sign.--Fighterdoken 05:18, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

sorry! I didnt mean to, I thought someone was vandalising...Ill revert it back :( (Terra Xin 00:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Thanks for...

Fixing my character link. However much I thought it was working... ;). Kaleal 18:22, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

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