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Unofficial glossary term[edit]

Imbagon? Are you sh*tting me? Hilarious, but I doubt this qualifies as a redirect. Calor (t) 02:48, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

No joke. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 04:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
man, i love it. i dunno about a redirect, but i could see someone writing a definition for it as an unofficial glossary term. if they can find outside sources that is. --VVong|BA 04:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I also see no reason for a redirect. Yes, Paragons need buffing badly, but it's not a technical term, so at best it should be an unofficial glossary term if anything. Nbajammer User Nbajammer sig.png 20:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Paragons do not need buffing, they make pve stupidly easy and are in most high end pvp teams. In related discussion...I don't think a redirect is the best use for the page, glossary page would be better. Lord of all tyria 20:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
were you here during early Nightfall? They were waaaaayyyyyy overpowered then! Then they got nerfed.....twice..then five times....than another 752 1/4 times. They do not suck completely, they are actually very good and pve and non high-level pvp (I.E AB and TA, RA is considered "newb pvp" in my book). They need a buff, but not a gigantic one--User Raph Sig.pngRaph Talky 20:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
lol@u for thinking they need a buff. They are the most overpowered thing in Guild Wars. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 01:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
lol@u for running for bcrat last time. Yes, they indeed need a buff, didnt say a large one though--User Raph Sig.pngRaph Talky 14:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Dude... they're terrible in RA/AB etc, the most they can do is frenzy + attack skills else they run out of energy in three seconds. They're amazing in high-level PvP, because you can put stuff like Cry and Mirror on them for GvG, or Make Haste and Song of Conc (plus Defensive Anthem or Song of Restoration) for tombs... they really don't need buffs there, open obs and you'll see them on every other team.
If anything, they need leadership to give double energy in arenas (most shouts/chants/echos are simply infeasible with only 4 party members). But leaving them devoid of energy leaves them unused, and whenever paragons aren't used, they aren't destroying the game... a toss-up, really. -Auron 14:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) you havent met any of my guildies then, as almost every paragon ive played with thats in my alliance does not use frenzy+attack skills, thats just stupid--User Raph Sig.pngRaph Talky 21:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Er... what do they do, then? RA doesn't leave you with any real options. You simply don't have the energy to. -Auron 01:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
general combos of party support and a few attack skills, theres really only one person in my alliance who really has a grasp on paragons. Their build (which i do not have) actually turns out to be a match winning one--User Raph Sig.pngRaph Talky 19:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I must say... some people come up with some strange builds... paragons are no less useful in 4v4 than they are in a party of eight. Energy management should never be a problem for a paragon... and in fact, for me, I've never run outta energy even when soloing with one (unless a mesmer makes me... and I never intentionally use my paragon alone)... Paragons simply cannot deal as high damage as any other profession they were meant to buff/heal... and in random/team arena, a healing build works just fine...Zeph 23:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


I was under the impression that the term Imbagon referred to a specific build not to the entire profession. The build I am thinking of runs aggressive refrain, save yourselves, there's nothing to fear, and couple of other things. – User Barinthus Magical Compass.png Barinthus 22:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Like this perhaps? 22:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Very muchso like that. However if you was to read the article, it seems to me it's referring to the profession as a whole. – User Barinthus Magical Compass.png Barinthus 00:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
It's both. The general case is older, the build was named after it as it was an attemt at justification. Ofc it relies on an overpowered warrior skill for this, so it was a bit of a failure at that, but the name is recognised as such anyway. Backsword 02:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeap one of the Paragons problems is that they are balanced around 8 people groups, leaving them pretty useless on 4 and 6 people areas. Eth 12:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
3 paras + 1 orders derv still rolls through hard mode. -Auron 13:17, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
@Backsword: Because FA, agg refrain, TNTF, and ward honor are so well balanced, amirite? -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png 14:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, focused anger is so overpowered, and ward honor is definitely a paragon skill :/ -Auron 02:20, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
His point was that the build revolves around SY, which isn't the case at all. Don't get me started on the heroes, either. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png 23:12, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

LOL @ people who think Paragons are the most unbalanced[edit]

Ahem. Dirvishes take the cake as the most overpowered, then the Assassin, then the Paragon, then everyone else. -- 22:32, 18 October 2008 (UTC)Kaysan Smithee

You must be talking about PvP. The imbagon build is PvE, and it's the most overpowered build in all of guild wars. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 23:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh, sorry about that. But PvP you would think would draw more negative attention than unbalanced PvE. PvP imbalance is more relevant, since the people on the receiving end are real people, not the A.I. -- 22:34, 18 October 2008 (UTC)Kaysan Smithee
Legendary Vanquisher says PvE imbalance affects real people too. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 22:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

you spelled dervish wrong

Imbalance TOURNAMENT[edit]

The tournament is in session for the title of most overpowered class! Now our studio audience has chosen a few professions and it's up to YOU to decide which is the most overpowered!!! The winner will receive plenty of nerfs and a $10,000 prize! Now, let's see the contestants!

CONTESTANT 1: The Paragon! Using the right shouts and adrenaline abilities, the Paragon can be invincible in PvE adventures!

CONTESTANT 2: The Assassin! Using a "perma sin" setup, this class can be invincible in PvE or PvP! Makes sure you are A/E though.

CONTESTANT 3: The Dervish! With the ability to take down two level 20 Warriors in under 8 seconds and the knack of slaughtering an entire team singlehandedly while the rest of his team looks on in amusement in the Random Arenas, the Dervish has earned the reputation of being a lethal weapon.

NOW! CHOOSE a NOMINEE for the most overpowered class! -- 22:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)Kaysan Smithee

Sins can't perma SF in PvP. Paragons can make entire teams invincible in PvE and almost impossible to kill in PvP. GG. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 23:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
The Paragon. They are godmode for the team, and an rc monk can heal them very well while healing the party with mediocre skills.
Paragon. Sins and Dervishes can't keep entire teams alive, Paragons can.. - (Rezu Blackheart 15:26, 13 November 2008 (UTC))


imba = imbatable, unbeatable Stefyvolt 09:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

imba = imbalanced. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 01:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Rewrite tag[edit]

The article is supposed to be about a build, but it's devolved into a long article about whether the Paragon class is broken or the specific build is imbalanced. I was about to be very bold and remove 85% of the text, but I figured it would be better to ask what others thought. I think the article needs the following:

  • A short intro that introduces the term (spams SY; imbalanced + paragon, common in DOA).
  • A description of the common features of the build (Characteristics), which we use for other articles. A single skillbar to illustrate the idea. Required kit.
  • An evaluation of the build archetype: strengths & weaknesses (again, same as for other builds).
  • Internal see also links (probably to DOA).
  • External links (to the standard team builds at PvX that include Imbagon).

I think any discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of Paragons belongs elsewhere. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 08:02, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Not the best imbagon build[edit]

I realize that this comes late in the life of Guild Wars, but this page does not have the best imbagon build. Soldier's Fury-Anthem of Flame-"There's Nothing to Fear!"-Spear of Fury-"Save Yourselves!"-Disrupting Throw is an insanely effective chain in pve. Yes, Anthem of Flame automatically causes burning, so Spear of Fury will immediately give you enough adrenaline for "Save Yourselves!" You don't need to weigh down your skill bar with extraneous skills like Aggressive Refrain, "For Great Justice!" etc., and you certainly don't need a furious spear head, as the article recommends (just stick with vampiric). At 14 Leadership, you'll have to reapply Soldier's Fury once every 33 seconds, but you can live with that.-- 14:22, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I realise I'm replying to this three years later but the article says typical build, not best, and I would argue the build in the article is superior for the purpose intended. Soldier's Fury only gives 33% increase in adrenaline build up and Spear of Fury has an 8 second recharge, with "Save Yourselves!" lasting a maximum of only 6 seconds (with the respective rank), making it more difficult to maintain using that skill chain. Cycling "For Great Justice!" and Focused Anger with an IAS - I use Flurry over Aggressive Refrain because it's cheap and spammable - I can activate "Save Yourselves!" roughly every 3.5 seconds with no downtime providing I'm attacking and my spears are hitting a target. C0Zm1c (talk) 12:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

About the name[edit]

[1] "Imbalanced" refers to it being overpowered, so I partially reverted this. --DANDY ^_^ -- 18:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)