User talk:Galil/February 2008

Your new notice

I can upload a few of the nice wallpaperish files I found in the .dat as well to help with that. =p The one I have on my page is Doomlore area loading image. Which is the reason I ended up doing that change to my page, I liked the wallpaper and remember seeing your page back when you did the Zho's Journal updates. — Rappy 07:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I actually have that as wallpaper on my desktop as well, though with Jora in the front! :) Either way, while it would be helpful it would be helpful to the ones who do want to use the layout and as such it would be better if you gave them the option themselves after they pop up. Though, I've been thinking about giving the users some color choises and background changes so I might just do that myself. I too know how to extract stuff from the .dat. ;) Thanks for the offer nontheless. — Galil 14:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Hong

Um.....one question what do u mean by "how is this a proper welcome" on Hong's talk page? I am a litte confused at this could u please elaborate? --Shadowphoenix

It just doesn't seem like a very welcoming welcome to me, having a massive box specked with text at the top of your talk page just after joining. The "in your face"-ness is sometimes overwhelming. There used to be a template known as {{welcome}} that got deleted for similar reasons (see Template talk:Welcome#Request to get this changed or Template talk:Welcome#This thing is intimidating for examples that weren't even as "in your face"-ful as yours).

A proper welcome isn't supposed to sound automated IMO. The best welcomes are written every time, as this is more personal and should definitely not be a massive blob of text. I realize you had good intentions with it. Again, it just doesn't seem like a very welcoming welcome, that's all. Try to imagine getting that welcome on your talk-page just after joining, as a "wiki-newb". If you don't agree with me though, please keep using it. It's just my personal opinion anyway. — Galil 00:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Well what can I say it kind of is automated. As soon as I see a new user it automatically send it to the users talk page. This actually is an official welcome that I recived from other talk pages. I don't agree if I get complatints I will change it but I havent gotten any so far. However, if u view my Userpage u can see where I am changing my coding for everything I use. So this is going to change and it will become more welcoming dont worry. But for now it will kinda stay automated. --Shadowphoenix

I feel I have to butt in here. The automated template welcome was used before - some people liked it, some didn't. I hate having to link this page again, but User talk:Ryudo and its subsequent archives are an example of what happened when some people did not like the welcome. The older version of the welcome template was the blue box thing that you put on pages. After some discussion about the unwelcomeness of it, it was changed to a simple sentence with a couple of links. Even that caused some opposition. I would think it's best to avoid all and any welcome templates. If you want to welcome someone (and I think it's great that your main intention is to make new people on the wiki feel as welcome as possible), it would be more personal to write a new "Hi there, welcome, and how are you doing" on each new user's talk. It may take some time writing, but that's where the welcomeness comes in. -- Brains12 \ Talk 15:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

As the guy with the talk page in the header, I didn't mind it. Better to have a welcome notice, automated or other wise, than no welcome notice. :) -- Hong 15:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow well that Ryudo guy doesnt seem to like it very much. All that Eloc was trying to do was welcome him then he made a joke and then he freaked out. I am personalizing it a little so dont worry, I will try to make it more happy-go-lucky lol. Maybe I'll go with a pink box instead of blue lol. No, really I am going to make it more welcoming and less automated, but it still will be kind of automated. I am going to try to make it more personal and the coding should be finished within the next few days so dont worry. It was basically just a prototype of the Welcome Box anyway. Yes and my main intent is to have newer users feel welcomed glad u noticed :o). --Shadowphoenix

Canthan new year

Sorry about that I was just very frustraded because people were picking apart My old content on that page as fast as I could put new content in. so not only could I not put anything new up but my old stuff was becomeing broken too. thank you for the help tho it everythink looks pretty good now —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jonysmokes (talk • contribs) 20:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC).

Don't worry about it, I just figured you might not have known about the icons already there and figured I should tell you before I marked yours for deletion. :) — Galil 20:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Canthan new year 2008

opps this and the last one are from - jonysmokes

Credits

Some of your code and layout helped me with creating my new userpage layout, so I thought I'd say thanks and that I've credited you. -- Brains12 \ Talk 21:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Already noticed. My eyes are on the recent changes list at the moment. Thanks for telling me though. :) — Galil 21:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

New Welcome

Hey I came up with a new welcome, I think it looks pretty good. There are still a few things to be worked out, but I want to see if it passes the Galil welcome test that you gave me on my orignal lol. My Sandbox is where it is at now, check it out --Shadowphoenix 04:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's more "in your face"-ful and it seems to have even more text. But then again, as I said, I'm not much for templated welcomes. I personally would rather just get a simple "Hello there and welcome to the wiki! Hope you will enjoy your stay here. :)" or something after joining, not a novel with purple background. — Galil 04:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Well for me that is how I would write it out even if I was doing it myself. I am going to tweak it more and bring down the text some though, but I want it to have the appropraite links that a new user would need. I wish that I would have gotten a welcome like this when I joined it would have been really helpful. I will tone down the text, and maybe make the color less bright, but it is just a draft. If u wanna see funny look at the other draft I made and I actually put it on someone's page lol User talk:DukeVanBell. That one is really in ur face with the whole color thing lol. Well at least it was until Bexor changed it lol --Shadowphoenix 04:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that one. Bex's edit summary actually made me laugh a bit. :P — Galil 05:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Me 2 lol --Shadowphoenix 05:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Image deletion

Hi Galil, when u tag a image for delete. Could u tell the user why its being deleted or else he'll just keep uploading ty ~ SCobra 19:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I sometimes do, sometimes don't. Depends on how much time I've got to spare and what mood I'm in. If he/she wants to know why, all he/she has to do is read the deletion tag's description where there's always a link to a policy specifying why. — Galil 19:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Most people don't visit the image page, so there now way of telling for them its going to get deleted ~ SCobra 20:40, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Then maybe they should read the text on the upload page to begin with? "If you are uploading an image for your user or guild page, there are specific rules you must follow (see our image use policy)." I currently don't have too much time to be nagging at users that their images will get deleted in between actually playing the game, adding useful content, studying, being social, some more studying and other IRL-stuff, so I'll just stop tagging images for deletion instead. — Galil 20:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello!

I'm just gonna make a complete nuiscence of myself and waste my time by putting this messege here!(can u tell i'm mad?)--Sum Mesmer Guy 20:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay... o.o — Galil 20:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Check This Out

Hey there make sure u check this out and post here User:Shadowphoenix/User Birthdays --Shadowphoenix 05:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Why does he get those more "official" messages, come on, I'm the sister of an admin! I'm like, semi-famous! :P - helena 06:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

You need to be visible sis! ;) Just put yourself on the list :) - anja 12:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I haven't seen you here since... Well, since the last time you posted on my talk page. Before that I can't remember. o.o (Lol at Firefox 3 Beta 3, it won't let me type tildes) — Galil 14:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey

What image is that on ur userpage is that maguuma jungle? --Shadowphoenix 06:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Nope, it's Issnur Isles, close to the Buried Treasure. — Galil 07:02, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Reason

See Campaign. Mainspace is the normal location for articles. Backsword 19:02, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

That I know, but I don't see the harm it caused. — Galil 19:03, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

It didn't do any good either. The chances people getting some use out of the text is higher now that they can find it. Backsword 19:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, missed the "merge" part. Thought campaign had always had that information. :P — Galil 19:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

User:Galil/Sandbox/New message

I saw the message you left on Brains talk page and decided to test out my css for a new user message. However for some reason the user message comes out completely different on your page than any other page. On other pages it looks fine but on your page it seems like there's at least 4 different looking user messages varying in height, width and position. Not sure what is causing it but I thought I'd let you know. --Kakarot 21:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I figured out the problem, it's the 16 examples you have in the page. Part of the problem; probably the main or even only problem; is because with my css I have moved the message from it's normal place, this would mean the problem won't affect everyone.

The reason it does it to me is because the code <div class="usermessage" treats it as an addition to my css thus adding another copy of the user message over the previous one using the changes from your example. I tried previewing your page after removing the examples and it works fine for me, however removing these examples probably wouldn't be the best solution since the problem only affects those people that move the message. Hopefully this explanation makes sense since I have a tendency to over complicate things and confuse people lol. --Kakarot 21:47, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Nah, it does make sense. Though as a matter of fact, I was actually intending for those examples to be extended from "usermessage". I could make them look like the default monobook boxes, in all of the examples but since the user message box looks different with different MediaWiki skins I didn't want to fix them to only look correctly with monobook (even though the page itself might suggest otherwise with "monobook.css"). I also wanted the examples to only show what the different properties do, not how they would look with the default look of it. I am aware it would break things for people who already do have a modified user message box, but people who do tend to have an understanding of how it works anyway. ;) — Galil 00:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Good to hear it made sense :) For my css that page worked fine up until I added the code to move the message, once I added that single line the problem mentioned above occured. Anyway using usermessage for the div class makes sense since if I'm right that is what all MediaWiki skins use to define the look of this message. Although for the most part monobook is the main skin people use it shouldn't be assumed that everyone does, especially when you can select "MySkin" as well. Before I realized what was causing the problem I thought it best to let you know but now that I do know, there really isn't a lot anyone can do to fix it.

Anyway, overall this is a great page to have as it makes testing the css for that part of the wiki a hell of a lot easier, especially considering otherwise you'd need someone to leave a message on your talk page to be able to see it. You could even create a new section of your user space specifically so people could see what other changes to their css looks like although I'm not sure there is any other items that are as difficult to test as usermessage was. --Kakarot 03:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. It's a very well done page, and very informative. Except every time I go to that page I think I have a new message because someone jacked the code from my .css so the top message looks exactly like my new message ;) Calor 03:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) I was thinking of something like that, though not only how to customize stuff but also other general references. Like how to use DPL (in short, cause DPL is huge) or CreateBox. For now, it's a project of the future though. The only reason I even started on the new message box was cause I was only thinking of making the box itself, then figured I should give some explanation to why I only had that box on the entire page. It kinda evolved into an entire guide. :P — Galil 03:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

If you do, thanks. Calor 03:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for taking care of my page!

Celenia 00:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)Celenia

Most welcome. :) — Galil 00:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Admin

U r an admin right --Shadowphoenix 06:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Nope. I'm a normal flesh-and-bone user. :P — Galil 06:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Well maybe u can help me anyway i tried to get ab to help but I think he logged off, look at User talk:Ab.er.rant under the bottom subject and see if u can help plzzzzz :o) --Shadowphoenix 06:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I can't help there. It's up to the admins to decide wether or not it can stay in cases like that. I personally do not consider it inappropriate and if the inappropriate part was referring to the "bitch" part, whoever finds that offensive most likely has to turn on the TV more often. I hear it daily and english isn't even my main language. If the text is referring to yourself, it's even less offensive.

But then again, the policy does state: "inappropriate by some" so if someone reacts to it, it probably does violate policy. You should wait for Ab.er.rant to answer though. If the delete tag gets put back, just leave it be. It will take at least one week for it to get deleted anyway. — Galil 06:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok it was about me because of a Guild joke me an my friends have but if i need to then I can reupload the image censored --Shadowphoenix 06:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Two things to clear up here: First, admins are flesh-and-bone too. We do not have coltan endoskeletons or polycarbide skin or whatever you think we're made of. Second, when something is tagged for general deletion (as opposed to speedy), it's not just up to the whim of the sysops. As the delete template says, discuss it on the talk page. If after three days there's a consensus to delete, it gets deleted. If there's consensus to keep, it's kept. If discussion is ongoing, we wait for discussion to run its course. If there's no discussion, then it's largely up to sysop whim. - Tanetris 07:44, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

So you're saying Bex isn't a robot? :o — Galil 07:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

She isn't, though there are rumors that her camel is. - Tanetris 08:09, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I think it is part of a sysop's evolution to get bot-like... poke | talk 08:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

So... when can we expect your DDoS attacks? ;) — Galil 08:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Working on the script for if I ever become an admin already ;) Calor 18:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Working on it? o.O You need to get the right tools! Just off the top of my head I can think of a 4-line script in bash that would do the trick. ;) — Galil 23:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

That would be for an actual DDoS attack though, and not valid contributions. :P — Galil 23:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Hm. Oppose. Conspires against GWW for Galil on any future RfA :P -- Brains12 \ Talk 23:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Oh no, you got me! >.> Though to be frank, I think I'd prefer keeping my flesh and bones anyway. ;) — Galil 23:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Polycarbide skin isn't that bad tbh-- Brains12 \ Talk 23:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure, but maintenance has got to suck. Oiling it daily? Any rusty spots yet? Using the car wash to take a shower? :P — Galil 23:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The constant reuploading of user/guild images is a little tedious, but the job has its perks. -- Brains12 \ Talk 23:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Lmao. I need to learn more about the less legal side of computers to get you back. *closes eyes for impending three minute ban* Calor

Could one of u sysops plz look at the image and see if it is canidate for deletion? --Shadowphoenix 00:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh and I just realized Calor said ban [1] [2] --Shadowphoenix 00:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Calor, should I take that as a "user request" :P? And Shadow, I don't really think there's a problem with it, given its context, but that's just my own personal opinion. If you want another admin response, the noticeboard is probably the place. -- Brains12 \ Talk 00:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Well I figure it doesn't matter, as it's all a dictatorship (admins v. users besides raptors), and you could ban me for a month and call it a user request. But then you'd miss your wooater. Calor 00:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

3 months just for that... (and no, I would never block for my own personal vendetta. eh-hem.) -- Brains12 \ Talk 00:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict x2) Haha, I guess. I actually have a solution for the image moving though (or will in a while anyway). I'm working on a bot that accepts input directly from the wiki. I was hoping to make a page where people could add list of pages that needed moving and where they should be moved to, and it would periodically run through the list, move everything listed, update links/inclusions and mark the old page for deletion. Naturally, it would work with all page-types, be it articles, categories, images or templates. To keep it protected from miss-use I was then gonna request that the page would be protected so only sysops could use it. Then I realized: How the hell is the bot then supposed to empty the list once it's done? But seeing as I've already coded quite a bit, I decided that I'll just make a "move me please!" template that it will occasionally check inclusions of and move just that page. Basically the same thing, but more tedious and without mass-move support. Still beats doing all that manually though, if we ever decide to move something like {{W}} or similar. ;) — Galil 00:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll just say you had a ten second vendetta against Anja and your alter ego (Slim Shady, ahem, jk) got the best of you once just so I look good in the argument. Calor 00:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) So in short, I'll be able to move images. Sweet. :) And lol to Calor -- Brains12 \ Talk 00:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

*begins working diligently in order to get sysop rights to play with Galil's new invention* Calor 00:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Good luck, Calor :). Oh, and I'm sure once the upload script is done, there'll be a lot less incorrectly named images. (hint was subtle enough ;P?) -- Brains12 \ Talk 00:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Damn, you signed before I could add {{unsigned}}. And there's no change in my work, I've always worked hard on the wiki to one day be a sysop. Calor 00:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

*repeats what Brains said in an English accent* ha I can do it XD --Shadowphoenix 00:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Oh you won't need sysop rights for the template-based moving. I figured it isn't needed since it only works on one page at a time anyway, and anyone could do it manually if they wanted to. :P — Galil 00:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Point taken. Will have a look at it the next time I have some time on my hands. Time is rather hard to come by these days... — Galil 00:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) x3. And you'll definately be one. And lol at Shadow. And why do I always get ECs on Galil's talk?? Oh, and Galil, that was only a joke; take your time. -- Brains12 \ Talk 00:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Aye, take all the time you need. Because it is hard to come by. Calor 00:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering the same... Usually I get it on your talk page, not mine. ;) — Galil 00:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) You are mind-reader. I was just wondering that there should be a parameter for the amount of ECs received. -- Brains12 \ Talk 00:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Been thinking about it for ages, just never got around to changing it. :P — Galil 00:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

meh - it's so hard to quote when you don't find the text in the edit window...

"I decided that I'll just make a "move me please!" template" - {{move}}? And btw. the framework I'm working on for Wikichu already does support image movings :P poke | talk 06:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

The difference between {{move}} and the template I had in mind though is that {{move}} only suggests an article be moved while the other template would mark it for moving, and it would be automatically moved within 5 minutes. So Wikichu would also auto-move stuff? Or are you making him able to move them "on your command"? :P — Galil 09:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

When it is finally finished, I will be able to move on command. But of course I already thought of a periodic task so that it will be run each 3 days or something like that. To have it moved within 5 minutes, you would have to always run the bot to check the category, which would probably push up the wiki access counter - I don't think that would be a good idea

And you could easily check when the move-tag was added, so that for example, at least 3 days should have passed before the move is done (also note that this only counts for images, I don't think normal articles should be "auto-moved") poke | talk 15:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, when I implemented the page-moving I had mass-moving in mind. Now it's only part of the framework that wasn't planned on being used for this particular purpose. About the access counter, it is possible to use api.php from a bot too (especially since it's easier to parse xml than html :P) which wouldn't trigger any extra page views or other statistical stuff. Also, it wouldn't exactly eat much bandwidth. For example, this query returns up to 50 pages where {{move}} is transcluded, and it takes about 3.5 kB if 50 entries are returned. I think the server can afford 3.5 kB per 5 min. ;) As I said though, I had a second template in mind, so the list would pretty much never reach even 50.

Though if you're already giving Wikichu the ability to move images, there's no reason for me to finish my bot. ;) — Galil 15:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow. I never knew what is possible with the API.. I think I need to read the documentation about it again; it's much easier to use that xml format than to get the list from normal category lists o.O Thanks for that :D poke | talk 19:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Most welcome. ;) Though the API is nowhere near as big as wikipedia's and GW2W's due to older MediaWiki version. :/ — Galil 19:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)