Talk:Defy Pain

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If you think this skill is dead try using this build and see how it is Build: W/P Defying Spear Charger

R.I.P. Dear Defy Pain for two years have you been a loyal friend of strength tanks of all the PvE, but now with the armor stacking nerf, no one will use you ever again. Amen. Biz 11:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I nominate this for the Worst Skill In The Game. --72.211.152.118 19:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Wastrel Collapse is much worse... I rather Endure it rather then Defy it 16:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I like this skill. Raptaz 13:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

i like the skill --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:75.60.185.15 (talk).

Rofl. It's bad because it is useless. Why pick an elite that does something that isn't useful? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Mrmango (talk).

imho change the skill to + health and +15 % damage or give it armor penetration or something.Would rly help it in pvp :).--87.64.227.96 20:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Its a defencsive skill, so adding offencive properties to it would defy the point. Also the limitations on armor are for stacking skillz. you could still easily use this to buff your armor, for example useing sentries armor+any stance would give you +10 armor that in cojunction with Defy pain would give you +30 pts of armor. since the xtra armor was not the direct effect of two or more skills. And while yes you could simple use Dolyak signet and + a stance to get well over +60 pts of armor, the lack of mobility greatly decreases that combos usefullness. 70.3.28.202 22:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC) Auron Bushi

the point about the stacking nerf is that you will most likely already have some form of party-wide boost acting on you, thus this skill has little extra effect, maybe +8 armour(watch yourself is typically +16 etc) still, for an elite, this ought to not be effected by the stacking cap for it to be worth using Coruskane 13:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm just curious, what armor buff are you talking about? "Watch Yourself!" ends fast, "Stand Your Ground!" only applies when not moving and is expensive, but I guess it could be maintained indefinitely with 2 paragons, but then it only applies while standing still, which doesn't apply to all situations since your warriors may be chasing monks most of the time, and your monks will probably be kiting the enemy attacks. Is there another party wide armor buff I'm missing?

*looks closely into it* Is that a hole in his body!? O.O;; Halogod35 17:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] August 08 update

WTF OMG SHITSAUCE!!! =o no comments? but ppl have issues w/ xinrae's wep? what the hell, is everyone here a bunch of wars? --68.198.172.36 17:02, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok I will comment on this... Watch out Ursan... this skill, can rival you if you get a Warrior with the right attack skills on them... you are talking like 100 armor base with more HP then Ursan... which is all that Ursan offers and Ursan is now limited... put this on your bar... you have Ursan like base that CAN be upkeeped, and you can use any skills you want with it inclcueding a Rez and Heal... this gets my vote. SabreWolf 18:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Does the damage reduction count for all damage? I see that it is not specified, but i would assume it reduces physical only, or perhaps elemental too. Does it reduce shadow/holy and so on? quad 13:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, Shadow and Holy are armor ignoring... so I would say no? only one way to find out... get on a holy strike and tap a Warrior on the shoulder.SabreWolf 13:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

"attractive to cetain PvE warriors". LMAO OMG guis medning+healinn breese r grate wit dis mirite? Is izzy encouraging newer pve warriors to be bad at the game??

This skill is AWESOME it reduces ALL damage, including hex damage. (Empathy!) Done25 22:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

It reduces anything which is considered damage, including holy shadow and damage caused by hexes. It will not reduce life stealing though. 122.104.165.13 07:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

That kind of goes without saying, though. I've yet to see anything that reduces HP loss from life steal. --Phydeaux 07:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Well you think it goes without saying. The number of monks that will cast Protective Spirit and RoF against a toucher would suprise you. 122.104.165.13 09:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Well I wouldnt call ANET making all new Warriors be for noobs... but this skill like I said does have the potential to be like Bear, just without the Bear skills... and as long has you are swinging away at stuff... you can keep this up fairly easily... not all Tanks are for noobs... but this will give you a Bear Lite feel, with your regular skill bar... which IMO is better then bear, becuase now you are not limited to one thing... but you can work your bar for other situations in which you couldn't with Bear... so I like this skill, and we will see what happens... SabreWolf 21:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

This is still terrible. ~~ frvwfr2 (talk · contributions) 16:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Ursan is Ursan only because Ursan can just shout and people will trip and faaaallll220.255.7.195 12:27, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BUFF WAMMMO!

GOGOG WAMMO GVG! 80.203.128.102 11:34, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Only good for pve--71.227.142.108 22:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)