ArenaNet talk:Guild Wars 2 suggestions/Skirt-Length

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Look, I have nothing against miniskirts. The Luxon Elementallist armor; totally hot, I agree, but I looked at all the female armors that have skirts and counted the numbers and here they are, give or take a few close calls and excluding all weird skirt-pant combinations.

• 55 miniskirts
• 28 knee-length
• 40 long skirts

And that's counting all 12 of the Dervish armors which give long skirts to both the male and female armors, which is sort of cheating. The numbers are approximate and you may see the miniskirts as almost balanced with the long, but factor in that the setting is High Middle Ages and you start to wonder just what's going on here, especially with the elementalists. You would expect more long, flowing skirts for the prime magical class as you find with the mesmers, but it is rather the complete opposite. The pyromancer armor is knee-length and the hydromancer armor is a miniskirt? And most of the long elementalist skirts come from Elona, easily the hottest of the three continents? And the elite luxon armor is only arguably long.

And Terra Xin is full of shit for editing other people's articles like this without thier permission.--Shai Halud 19:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

It's an online action game after all, do we really need to keep up with the fashion? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:PCGamer07 (talk).

As much as I'm a fan of lore, I'm also a fan of ridiculously underdressed females in the cold. They should think about where they place armour crafters but don't suggest we make women less skimpy D: dear god no! Spawnlegacy 16:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Fashion is always a nescessity. However, the fashion in all MMORPGs only tells of what the game designers fantasize about. -.- az :D 18:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Fashion is okay (if you dont want it, just stick to a droks armor); realism shouldnt be too much of an issue, ele's just use a fireball to stay warm. As for the miniskirt reality: they exist in cold european countries but barely in most desert countries. Just give people plenty of choice I'd say, pants if they like, long/short/middle skirts if they like, etc. An option might be, if programmable, to allow during skirt crafting the choice in length. --Tenshi Samshel 01:30, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

That would be a very nice compromise, but I don't think it's very likely--Shai Halud 05:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Length isn't the only factor for comfort or mobility. In hot climates, long, thin, loose ventilated clothing works well for staying cool and avoiding sunburn, and high albedo clothing helps prevent heat from sunlight, while minimalistic clothing allows sweat to evaporate but doesn't protect against sunburn, another option is a mixture of the two. In cold climates, thick clothing which minimizes exposed skin is ideal for staying warm. Of course, temperate climates would allow more options. IMO magic can handwave away climate and coverage issues, while local fashion trends could be used to justify the limited local availability of armour which looks climate-inappropriate. As for mobility, the most practical skirts, kilts and robes would be reasonably short, and would be loose or have slits or other openings. And Shai Halud, first, see Guild Wars Wiki:No personal attacks, second, see the note at the top of ArenaNet:Guild Wars 2 suggestions, "Like any page on the wiki, ideas are put up to be collaboratively edited to be easily read and understood by ArenaNet.". -- Gordon Ecker 06:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Despite the fact that that last paragraph did sound like a bunch of long-winded excuses, what it says is actually very true. Things aren't always what they appear. Perhaps I'm not looking for things to make sense, but I'm willing to compromise with it. I guess you could just make all the knee-length skirts long and I'd be happy. I mean, you could make them all mini-skirts if you wanted and please even more people, but I don't know how well that would fit the middle-age theme of GW2. Also, it's sort of easier to change a knee-leagth dress to a long one than to a short one. In the end you could argue it both ways in the name of sense and reasonability, but pleasing gamers is what this is really all about, so it comes down to balancing whaty the fans want (mini skirts) with what they can be expected to believe (long-skirts). But, honestly, who or what are we pleasing with these knee-length skirts? I think we can safely agree to get rid of most of them in favor of more short and long skirts.

Also, those are old comments and I've already been punished for that offense. And, as for the note at the top of ArenaNet:Guild Wars 2 suggestions, "Like any page on the wiki, ideas are put up to be collaboratively edited to be easily read and understood by ArenaNet.". It reads nicely, but in practice, it translates to "Everybody can basically do whatever they want to any article so long as they don't use the 'undo' tool". In the end, that comes down to the question, "Who do you trust to edit the articles?" and your answer seems to be "Everyone but the people who write them." For now, my answer is "Not Terra Xin, thank you". --Shai Halud 04:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)--72.145.76.153 04:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

How about you can pick length of skirt in GW2 with a slider control or something? - Elder Angelus 14:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Shai Hulud, you're forgetting about consensus. If you want your verbose version of the suggestion to be restored, you're going to need to convince someone that it's better. If you have a problem with that, you can propose a suggestion formatting guideline which includes suggestion ownership and try to convince others to support it. Also, technically Guild Wars Wiki:One-revert rule only applies to articles, not suggestion pages. On the other hand, if you and Terra Xin do get into an edit war, there's no rule preventing a sysop from blocking both of you. -- Gordon Ecker 01:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Thankfully, Terra Xin really isn't that dedicated to his strange little cause so I don't think it will come to that. Still, If I ever revieve an edit I just can't stand, I'll go ahead and ask you to take a look at it.--Shai Halud 19:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Can I report this guy for NPA... please? (Terra Xin 05:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC))

Men dont wear Skirts.

Nuff' said. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Phill Gaston (talk).

Kilts? az :D 14:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, being Dervish is tough)). BTW, talking 'bout such stuf... I think that possblity of crossdressing in GW2 would be funny :D. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:85.140.174.219 (talk).

You've never been in Scotland, have you? ;) nice to have it as a possibility, though no profession should be 'chained' to a certain base look. --Tenshi Samshel 01:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Cross dressers aren't out to make you laugh; therefore, cross dressing is not all that humorous. az :D 05:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know about that, I tend to laugh at them anyway. Not so much because their funny, mind you. But because their stupid looking. That said I'd rather there not be cross-dressing in GW2.--Will Greyhawk 15:34, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure ! I'm personally RPed very young (13) crossdressing Dervish with dark sense oh humor and cold-blooded personality (even nick-named as "The Reaper") in one GW-related forum RPG's. --91.78.176.168 16:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)