Guild Wars Wiki:Requests for adminship/Auron
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Successful. 11:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
rfr per community's request, it's been about a year -Auron 07:09, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- ilu, k? Once again, it's time to put Auron through a butthurt-driven RfA. Again, all of the opposition boils down to "Auron was mean to me; I don't like him" and/or "Auron doesn't like the wiki/Guild Wars". Well, guys, the fact of the matter is that we don't elect sysops to be nice to and/or coddle wiki users; we hire them to keep the wiki running smoothly with their sysop tools. Has Auron ever once used his sysop tools to stir up shit? Has he threatened to ban someone who hadn't done anything to deserve a ban, maybe? Has he deleted pages to antagonize users? Or has he been one of the hands-down best sysops at separating his personal agenda from his sysop duties? As with his last RfA, I'm very inclined to believe that it's the latter. — Raine Valen 16:04, 2 Sep 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Seems to get the job done. G R E E N E R 07:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. I was considering Oppose just to shut Scythe up, but I see no reason to lose a good sysop here.--ne shot.9:32, 2 Sep 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Auron is the only sysop that knows how to properly deal with trolls and he has never abused his sysop tools. He does not ban people for something if he is involved in the situation, and knows how to stay objective. Also, he is a dick, before any of you say I like him. - Mini Me 08:27, 2 September, 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Auron deals with trolls efficiently (if you've noticed, only the trolls are the ones that bawwwwww at Auron), he does his janitorial duties, and is rather objective concerning disputes. King Neoterikos 09:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Performs his job as sysop well. ShadowRunner 10:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Auron doesn't avoid confrontation as much as most other Sysops. While this occasionally results in people getting upset/offended, this also makes him an invaluable member of the sysop team. Moreover, when he does use his Sysop tools, he does so for the good of the wiki, not to serve his own agenda. I fail to see any bias in his actions whatsoever. — Why 11:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Good to have a sysop or two which are more vocal.- TheRave (talk) 12:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Auron is like the plumber of our sysops, he's not afraid to wade hip deep through shit to get the job done, and I think we need him for that. He's not afraid to ban and all that other good stuff that everyone already knows about Auron. Oh, and he lives in Hawaii. +1. -- Tha Reckoning 12:25, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. -Cursed Angel 13:19, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Basically what Why said. Abrasiveness and personality aside, effectiveness is the most important aspect of a sysop. Sysops aren't community leaders, they don't need to hold your hand, lead community activities, or act as community shrinks. They are merely members that maintain order as if they were the police and the police are not community leaders. The beauty of the wiki is that there are "NO" leaders, everyone has equal voice. --Lania 15:37, 02 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Just looking at the opposing votes should push any logical person to support. Auron has always done a great job. He's more than competent enough with sysop tools and is one of the few that can actually see through bullshit and trolling. He brings a much needed balance to the team. Karate Jesus 15:47, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Admiration and respect are one-sided sometimes. -- anguard 16:04, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Meh ..."Wah, this sarcastic jagoff still has r9 in a community for a game that died years ago. It's so fucking vital that we impeach his ass b/c the whole world might be at stake"'. We'll be lucky if there any active mods left next year, no reason to start picking them off now. ...Sure he's a dick, but he's an impartial dick. --ilr 16:04, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Again? Same reasons as before. -- Wandering Traveler 16:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. As above. Auron's good at his job. — Indochine talk 20:58, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. *sigh* Not this shit again. --Rainith 21:11, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. I'm just a random user who tries not to get involed in Wiki drama too much, but this led-by-Scythe witch-hunt against Auron is getting ridiculous. Sure, he's a bit of a troll and a bit of an asshole, and I'm pretty sure I've argued with him in the past, but he does good work for the wiki. How he feels about the game doesn't affect how he handles trolls and maintaining the wiki, so why should that even matter? tl;dr: Auron's good for the wiki, why are people bringing this up again? Elysea 21:58, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Although he is disliked by many (me including), that is really not enough reason for me not to support. Sure, he excels at trolling others on all levels imaginable, but he also gets his work done. Auron is just good at doing his job and I think he should continue being a
trollsysop. ***EAGLEMUT*** TALK 22:10, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. I still trust Auron when it comes to him using sysop tools. However, I'd urge him to stop trolling. The amount of RfAs/RfRs he's had should be indicative that his actions, mostly on talk pages, cause disruptive controversy. Auron's credibility to hand out blocks is severely weakened when he trolls himself - even if it's usually minor trolling that isn't blockworthy, it hampers one of his best sysop capabilities: banhammering trolls and other disruptive users and living to tell the tale (i.e. no fullblown drama afterwards). While it's easy shrugging off the RfR requests and RfA opposition as "trolls being trolls", there's something to learn as to why they're happening at all; and it isn't only because trolls are being trolls. Auron's behaviour can still disrupt the wiki, even if indirectly. -- pling 22:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Yes, Auron is effective. Of that, there is no doubt. More than that, however, Auron is trustworthy. Regardless of what you think of his mode of communication, Auron ultimately possesses a great deal of impartiality and loyalty to this wiki, both of which qualities he has exercised for an unbelievable amount of time in the service of this and other wikis in spite of the extraordinary amount of flak he takes. What is more, while Pling is absolutely correct in saying that Auron's trollishness (and, more to the point, the drama that it generates) often proves compromising to one extent or another, I dislike setting the precedent that a dedicated and effective Sysop should have his authority revoked on the grounds that a minority of the voting community--emphasis on the word "voting"--finds him to be too "abrasive." — Defiant Elements +talk 22:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. He gets shit done. –alistic 23:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Auron has done a good job, from what I have seen. Despite that there does not have to be a reason to strip sysophood, I do not think that not liking him is a good enough reason to remove his power. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 23:30, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support Though it appears he generates no shortage of debate (eh) , Auron has proved an effective Sysop over an impressive period of time. In the situations I've seen, he has dealt with queries and hostility alike with solid logic and from a generally, objective standpoint, where it applies. As I've said before, though the Wiki is a strict documentation resource, the collaboration aspect makes certain aspects of human interaction (read: strife) unavoidable; herein, though he may be a troll, evidence that he is a person dealing with other, often-disruptive people should not disqualify him, by any stretch of the imagination, if he continues to preform his duties admirably. -- Oiseau | 23:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Though Auron is sometimes undiplomatic and blunt in his responses and guestures on the wiki, his approach doesn't detract from his effectiveness in performing wiki tasks. He knows the rules, and from what I've seen he's done a good job. This isn't a "character evaluation," this is to decide whether or not sysop tools allows him to be more effective on the wiki. I haven't seen him abuse these tools, so support from here. – Kara talk 00:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. As a sysop, Auron has performed well. I cannot find evidence to the contrary. Sure, his personality (read: as a user) might, at times, be like Agent Orange on your sweat glands, but he has shown his impartiality and dedication to the wiki time and time again. --Riddle 03:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. I've posted on this topic before, so look up those to see why I am for Auron as a Sysop.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 03:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. I guess per all of above. - Reanimated X 03:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support.Regardless of personality aside (which we all have one) MystiLefemEle 06:56, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Auron is currently the only sysop who bothers enough to do the unthankful job of getting rid of trolls. While I don't agree always how he behaves himself, he does a very good job and I still have very much trust in him. Also per Pling. poke | talk 07:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Auron is doing a good job as a sysop: he's quick, efficient, and willing to take action against those that disrupt the wiki. (Because his critics have been so earnest, I've taken the time to review two pagefulls each of recent bans and deletions: all of them seem appropriate at the worst. I've also read through huge walls of text (pretty much any link posted alleging behavior unbecoming a sysop): I can't find evidence of anything relevant to his role.) — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Has the balls to do what a bunch of other sysops won't, and that outweighs his trolling. – Emmett 18:44, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support Though his methods can be questionable in some cases, he's credit to team. - J.P.Talk 06:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support Im becoming tired of this stuff. He does the job well. -- Cyan 13:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. see my unwarned ban and drama that followed.- Zesbeer 07:35, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. So raine manages to get first support opinion twice now, and it's been "ilu" both times... If this isn't a clear exploitation of democracy on auron's part for wrangling the support of his fanclub, then, well, whatever... On top of this, I find his attitude and displayed personality are too abrasive, and not exactly fitting for a community leader. I'm sure there are better more honest people who are more deserving of sysop. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 08:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. -- Hes always seemed to me to troll more than help Nick123 08:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. While he is effective at blocking people with harmful intentions, Auron has the tendency to be unsubtle and to react to trolling with more trolling, which does nothing but generate more unrest (not unlike another certain admin). Koda Kumi 09:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Seems to have a general disdain for people who play Guild Wars, which is most of the users here. Constant drama. Doesn't seem to genuinely care about anything. First to use the "troll card", which results in things escalating when they don't need to. Shows bad faith in users. Manifold 15:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose. Auron's general contribs. 1) deleting & blocking (janitorial) 2) trolling 3) fanclub care. | Positive: Hes a good janitor. | Negative: Hes an omega troll & is generally disruptive. | Conclusion: Good janitor, grats, wikichu could do that if necessary. — Scythe 19:21, 2 Sep 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. Above. --Master Briar 11:43, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, for all the good it will do. Sardaukar has some very excellent points below; however, it makes more sense to me if Auron were to take the time to gain that maturity and fulfill that potential and then become a sysop again. Auron has been a sysop since 2008 and perhaps some time away from the drama and responsibility would help with that maturing process. --Ceru talk contribs 04:39, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- Nyet --Unending fear 04:54, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. For some candy or ice cream I'll change my vote.--The Emmisary 21:38, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Neutral. Currently neutral. - Reanimated X 09:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Neutral. Currently neutral at the moment. - MystiLefemEle 09:58, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Neutral. Neutral either way. -- Lacky 12:30, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Neutral. Politics are not my strong point. I'll make my mind up before the end however. --Neithan Diniem 17:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Neutral. It's becoming a bit troublesome for this wiki to keep him around. Then again, it will be just as troublesome wether if he stays as admin or not, since people issues are more related to how he comunicates than to how he performs his job.--Fighterdoken 20:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Neutral. Currently neutral. --Dominator Matrix 01:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Neutral I can’t think of another sysop that has caused more disruption just by being a sysop. While he may handle his janitorial skills acceptably, his people skills can be pretty lousy. What was he thinking when he posted this? Everything was going smoothly, consensus was taking place and he just had to be disruptive, insinuating (because he's careful not to breach NPA on the wiki) that the people involved in that project were dumb. Thankfully no one took him seriously, but he persisted in being disruptive, because that's what trolls do right?
Then there is the matter of him handling trolls. While many that are supporting him laud him for being such a lion, he's seems to me to just be an ill-mannered pup that goes after the easy trolls (e.g. Lena) while avoiding for too long the usual suspects. But maybe that was because they were gangbanging Wyn and that suited Auron's agenda just fine. Then we see Pling give Auron some slack on his leash and the trolls are taken care of, at least temporarily.
Speaking of the usual suspects, you'll notice Auron himself got blocked. Yes, we need a troll to protect us from other trolls. Or does he pick and choose? While Scythe was gathering his evidence, Auron countered him and yet ignored an obvious personal attack. Why? Just an oversight? Or again was Auron ignoring unacceptable behavior because it was directed at those opposing him?
So it's not an abuse of his sysop tools that concerns me, but their lack of use when it's extremely important and appropriate and of course his own disruptive behavior. You shouldn’t be allowed to be a cop and a crook at the same time and no copping out when dealing with trolls.
So, what to do? Get rid of him? I've opposed Auron for bureaucrat the last 2 times. Why? Because I'm butt hurt? No. Because I don't like Auron? No. Because he doesn't like Guild Wars anymore? No. It's because we need sysops that make things happen not just watch things happen. I also believe Auron's positive qualities outweigh his negative ones and even his negative qualities are diminishing in my opinion. Look at him a few years ago and compare that to now. Notice anything? If you're fair, you'd have to admit he's less of a dick then he use to be. What changed? In my opinion he's simply older, more mature. I don't believe he's 25 yet. Some kids I went to school with were absolute assholes. No doubt about it. Yet 10, 20 and 30 years later, I've come across some of the same people and they turned out alright.
Now I'm not saying Auron is some retard that needs 20 years to become a productive member of society. He's got some rough spots to be sure. Don't we all? The bottom line is he's got potential to be a better sysop than he is. That's what I want.
So Auron, work on being less of a dick and set a good example instead of stirring shit up sporadically and just flaccidly watching others do the same. Where you're doing well, keep it up and where you see things to improve upon, or if things are pointed out to you, make those changes. You and the wiki will benefit.
"Again (I can't stress this enough), friendly reminders are awesome. They let people know you're there and you care. - Auron 08:31, 7 May 2008"
Sardaukar 15:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Neutral. Originally I was going to put this in support, but Sardauker above has made a number of points that really pushed me into the Neutral Zone (no Romulans allowed). I'm generally dissatisfied with Auron's on-wiki behavior as an editor. He's consistently brusque, argumentative, dismissive, and unpleasant. He believes trolling is an acceptable means for driving users he disapproves of off the wiki, which I cannot condone. I would give him perhaps a C+ in terms of value to the community.
And yet, Auron is a fairly effective and objective sysop (although as Sardaukar pointed out, he is occasionally guilty of being subjective [or perhaps just lazy] by failing to act). I do not believe he holds any special value as a trolling deterrent; rather, I think the majority of other sysops are just too yellow-bellied to step up to the plate instead of mincing around like Liberace. But allegations that he's abused his sysop tools, which is really the issue here, are ungrounded.
In other words, while I see no reason to remove Auron from his position, I also would not object if he were. I do not believe anti-social behavior is reason enough to remove his sysop tools. The ideal solution would be to remove his editing privileges and retain his sysop tools, but that would just be silly. elix Omni 23:51, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Neutral, leaning towards support. Per Felix and Sardauker sorry if that's spelt wrong ~ PheNaxKian talk 22:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
- Neutral The "he is the only one going after trolls" logic never convinced me. Since my basic reasoning is unchanged from last time, I should vote oppose, but I'll take Sardaukar's word that he has changed for the better, therefore neutral. --Xeeron 11:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)