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Thanks for finishing the clean-up of Red Iris Flower. (I completely forgot about the profitability tag.) For what it's worth, I blame ANet for offering identically-named items with identical icons and properties that do not have the same merchant value. It's logical that the Yak's kit pack return less (otherwise, people would do nothing in Pre except farm flowers, get packs, and sell), but they could have given it a different name. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 02:41, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

No problem - after all I introduced the wrong info. :D Yeah, that's a tad bit uncool of ANet. It still wouldn't be too much of a problem though - there are much better farming things to do than invest half an hour for a plat. Steve1 15:11, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Racing Beetle[edit]

Concerning this edit, I know Helena offers it, but I didn't attempt to acquire a Racing Beetle for a Gold Zaishen Coin or 10,000 Balthazar Faction. Does she actually unlock the Racing Beetle or is the unlock not actually available until Canthan New Year starts? --Silver Edge 00:23, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I didn't try it myself either - but had someone show me in-game. I didn't take a screenshot though. We can revert it back though, doesn't bother me. :) Steve1 17:34, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Hopefully the guy who showed you did so after the bug fix that turned regular pets into beetles? :D -Chieftain Alex 17:47, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
I wasn't even aware that there was such a bug. So no clue. You guys are tempting me to spend a zgold ... . Shame on you, Alex! ;) Steve1 18:24, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Feedback:Game updates/20130125 - this update makes me highly suspect that you saw one of those bugged bugs... so its probably still future content, but who knows, I'm not gonna spend any zgold yet :P
Also, don't worry. If anyone is gonna spend zgold on pets they'll never use it will be me! I expect we'll get it for free at a later stage of the event. Chieftain Alex 18:30, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Gosh, I guess now I look kinda stupid.
And you got a deal! Go and (try to) buy it. Gogogo! ;) But I was also expecting to get it for free. Hound of Balth and such. Steve1 18:38, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
This edit by an IP seems to imply that they are already in the game. --Silver Edge 05:29, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Alex, pop out the gold zaishen coin! Gogogo! ;) Steve1 18:20, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Awry autoblock of generic IP[edit]

13:58, 9 May 2013 Chieftain Alex unblocked #44590 (autoblock gone awry)

Hmm sorry about that, hopefully it should be fixed now. -Chieftain Alex 13:03, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Works now, yeah. Thanks! Steve1 (talk) 14:04, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Never mind me. I've found others with same word, I'm adding in the link that's missing, in concourse to others. Rodan (talk) 00:34, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Celestial Pig[edit]

Answering for Konig, you can find that information via Lorespinner Ri So. - Infinite - talk 18:26, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I see, I see. Thanks.Steve1 (talk) 19:00, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


No ragequitting allowed. [1] -Chieftain Alex 18:22, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

No more rageediting... Steve1 (talk) 21:53, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Nicholas the Traveler/research[edit]

I guess unprotecting that page might mean that the ip will successfully steal the glory of the find, and not update the other pages :D -Chieftain Alex 21:03, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

You should use all powers as a superadmin to ensure that either one of us (preferably me) can get the glorious edit! Smash them infidels to smithereens! Steve1 (talk) 21:44, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry Steve, the old map has the old spawn location. Nick has moved to the west of his previous location Anon-e-mouse (talk) 17:17, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Gotcha. Thanks for the edit then. I only saw the red link, but didn't check for more ... Steve1 (talk) 17:24, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I was in the process of getting a new screen grab for his new location.. went to update it, and saw it had been replaced with the old location. It's not a big move, but he's definately not in his old position. I think I've gotten everything now. I've also updated the counters for changed locations, and the map on the research page. Is there anything else that needs changing? Anon-e-mouse (talk) 17:28, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I think that was about it. Except for the changed location list, where the format is "new spot vs old spot", which means dragon's gullet will drop to the bottom of that little list. :) Steve1 (talk) 17:46, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Done Anon-e-mouse (talk) 18:01, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Good job! :) Steve1 (talk) 18:43, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

reverting multiple things[edit]

just go to the history tab and click on the date of the last good revision and then press save lol. -Chieftain Alex 20:08, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the hint.
Go and vandalize some stuff so I can try. ;-P Steve1 (talk) 21:48, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
You literally missed out a minute ago. :D - Infinite - talk 21:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
fuck steve you didn't have to go vandalize all those pages just for a shot at reverting :P -Chieftain Alex 21:50, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Well, you really are a party crasher. I took all those pains to vandalize the wiki and you revert before I can log in again. How dare you?!?
I think I will now rehearse on your personal page. Steve1 (talk) 07:47, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Just wanted to try it. Is this possibly something admins can do but not normal editors? Steve1 (talk) 06:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Probably not since I've done it with my IP + before I was an admin...
Go to any page. Hit history. Click on the time/date. Press the edit tab. If it isn't the currently revision that you've chosen to view, then it will say "Warning: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page." You can then press save to just overwrite edits that came afterwards, or make some changes. There isn't an automatic edit summary, but you could provide one. (note, if you press edit while in editing mode of a historical version, it will move to editing the current version of the page) -Chieftain Alex 06:57, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Removal vs. Censorship[edit]

Yeah, it's an ugly topic, and one that I will not claim to be well versed in (though I've taken actions and labelled posts as one or the other in the past). It seems that Feedback talk:Joe Kimmes is an attractive place for such grey-area topics.

I saw the removal of the post earlier today, and I chose to take no action (note: I'm NOT claiming my inaction was right/wrong). Was the post poorly written? Yeah. Was it completely appropriate to put on the page? No. Did it name/shame another member of the community? Yes. Does that mean it should be removed? *shrug*.

I haven't looked at Dmitri's past edits which you refer to, but frankly I'm not sure if there's a need. All of the above was written to ensure that I "brought up the topic". The real reason I'm here to to ask you to remove the accused player's name from that post. I'd do it myself, but I'm sure that others will interpret that as an admin action instead of the common-sense action that it really is; and I'd rather save my "admin actions" for when they're really needed, else they get watered down.

Much appreciated. G R E E N E R 20:22, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Do you mean w/ accused player "Mainstream" or Dmitri? How about you you do it in my stead since I don't really get what you mean? I personally won't see it as "nasty admin action", promised. ;) Feel free to refer to this post in your edit note, if that changes anything. Steve1 (talk) 20:47, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Mesmer note[edit]

I know perfectly well Razah's primary profession can be changed (hence why I included him(or it, rather) in the note). However, he starts off as a ritualist, and most players keep him that way. The point of my edit was to reflect the addition of the new Beyond-related heroes: not only core professions have three heroes nowadays, but dervishes, paragons and assassins aswell (as do rits, if Razah is considered one) Jeree95 (talk) 13:45, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I understand your points and agree w/ most of it. I also keep him as a Rit on all of my chars (since I don't need a 3rd Me or 4th whatever). The only part I disagree with is to consider Razah as a Rit - since he can be changed. But CA seems to agree with your PoV, so let's continue on his the Mesmer talkpage. ;) Steve1 (talk) 15:26, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Herald Demrikov revert[edit]

Shiro is listed as an envoy on the envoy page, hence I counted him as such on Demrikov's page aswell. He is "one of the envoys you meet during the course of the factions campaign" afterall, so we might aswell count him as such. Jeree95 (talk) 19:32, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

As indicated by my edit notes, again, I understand your point (that Shiro is an envoy). I just think that there is a significant difference between the 4 ghostly envoys and Shiro and therefore he shouldn't be counted here.
I just checked, that part was put there by Emily Diehl, who used to work for ANet at that time. Just saying. Steve1 (talk) 21:06, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


I don't see how adding the gw2w template isn't "adding to the article." There's a reason that that template exists, and so we should be using it where applicable. -«troy.frostwind­» 20:30, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Ideally, the template says that it should be used on articles that exist on the GW2W but that pertain more to that game, but in action, it's used a lot more liberally and so continuing the pattern there shouldn't be the subject of individual page reverts (if we should go back through and re-discuss the usage of that template and make a campaign to apply it more conservatively, that should happen before individual page reverts) -«troy.frostwind­» 20:43, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
It's a shout, it inflicts conditions, it has the same name. It's related. -Chieftain Alex 20:50, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I should say I agree on Red Bean Cake though, only the name is common to both, rest are different. -Chieftain Alex 20:51, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm absolutely cool with discussing the usage of this tag. As you can see from a past edit I'm not totally adverse to a more liberal usage of the tag:
You might remember the discussions we had surrounding the Vekk edits (see here: and the other edits at that time).
And then there's also this, of course: ;)
I'm absolutely fine with a more liberal usage, but so far it seems to have been a bit inconsistent.
@Alex: And what kind of new/relevant information did you gather from the gw2 page? :P Steve1 (talk) 21:15, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Another issue I forgot to mention: GW2's YAAW hasn't been released yet. I'd PERSONALLY wait until HoT has been released with linking to HoT stuff. Steve1 (talk) 21:24, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
That I can agree with. While odds are that this skill will be implemented, things can change before release. I mean, the casing of YAAW isn't even sorted out. I get the excitement that people have when nostalgia and references are found in the lore/skills, but we can always wait. G R E E N E R 21:34, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Special Thanks[edit]

Thank you for correcting my grammatical mistakes, english isn't really my forte :/--Ruine Eternelle (talk) 17:32, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

No worries. :D Steve1 (talk) 18:18, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
About your last edit, yeah I forgot those Charr Fire Caller. I meant only elementalist charr dropping items. Good eye.--Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 15:07, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Cheers! Steve1 (talk) 17:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I admit Oath Shot as a way to recharge a skill with a recharge time extended by Glyph of Sacrifice was a stupid idea. Air of Superiority would already be better since it's non-elite but it only has 10% chance and takes a PvE-only skill slot. I was actually thinking about E/R using OS even with the 50% fail (and determined shot to recharge OS incase of fail) but no matter how you look at it E/A assassin's promise is more viable. R/E of course is totally silly.--Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 12:43, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Skill Nav Revamp[edit]

Requesting feedback on Skill Nav Revamp. --Falconeye (talk) 21:37, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Side note about your last reverts[edit]

Hello Steve ! I kind of understand that Falconeye does not always do thing the simplest way, but why undo the new player guide on "kind of a big deal" ? Some gw2 players may be interested to get that title (since it gives a gw2 special bonus) and should need a good explanation about how to get it. Best regards--Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 18:35, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Good point. ;-D Steve1 (talk) 20:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but take a look at what the template says: "geared towards new players". The way I see it, it should be added to guides that are written with mainly new players in mind. Not in an article about a maxed titles title track. If you added it to any article a new player might find useful, you'd have to tag half the pages in the wiki (i.e. what Falconeye has been doing lately ^^) Jeree95 (talk) 20:33, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, not gonna self-revert again. Feel free to undo it though. In this case I can see both sides of the story. ;-D Steve1 (talk) 21:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


per your feedback, I am requesting assistance with article. --Falconeye (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

I'll try to help on that page. But (except for that little miniture edit spree just now) I'm kinda semi-active. I won't do anything substantial prior to Sunday, that's already certain. Steve1 (talk) 21:37, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
I would appreciate your extensive knowledge regarding the martial and caster weapons used in PvP builds. What can I do help you? --Falconeye (talk) 03:16, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey Falconeye. I'd call my knowledge rather "outdated", but hey. ;)
Firstly, it's Summer. A rather nice, warm and sunny summer. So I spend less time in front of my computer.
Secondly, I'm currently looking for a new challenge. So I spend more computer time doing seriouzz business.
Thirdly, after 8 or 9 years of joy and fun, my interest in GW has started to wane (again). I will do Le Tour de Tyria in a month but until then I might be less than active (esp. during summer holidays - not taking a laptop with me). Wayfarer's has rekindled my interest once or twice before, so who knows what will happen.
Let's see what fall will bring (mid-September onwards), alright? ;) Steve1 (talk) 12:23, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
You ready to work on it? ^_^ Falconeye (talk) 22:26, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Well, tbh I have quit playing. Wayfarer's hasn't been able to rekindle the spirit.
I'll go for the 2 miniatures during CNY (no clue why - call me an idiot), but besides that I won't be touching the game (much).
And it's kinda similar with the wiki. I probably take a look at the recent changes more or less on a daily basis, but not planning to invest much time into it.
I'd have the solo monk backline/runner build available from some years back when it was 7 Necros and a Mo flagger, but anything else would be ... work. Can't have that. ;) Steve1 (talk) 14:23, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Gold trim guilds and Boring Gimmicks All Month page edits[edit]

For what purpose have the edits elucidating the recent monthly automated tournament grand final fiasco been removed from said pages? The information regarding the grand final was put on the Gold trim guilds to serve the same trivia and book keeping purpose as the trivia segment concerning We Are Six Inches Enchanted on the same Gold trim guilds page. Information on the highly abnormal grand final of November 2015 was added to the Boring Gimmicks All Month guild page to explain the conditions and circumstances of the grand final match for historical context (which PvP/GvG players find important and useful). Had these matches been run-of-the-mill or less important matches, there would be nothing worth writing down for historical or trivia purpose other than the same information that is recorded every monthly automated tournament. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) at 10:43, 22 November 2015‎ (UTC).

Motoko provided proof to both this wiki and ANet.
Until you can do the same: Stop besmirching other people.
You can note on DW's page that one of their monks didn't load and thus they were forced to play 7vs8 and therefore lost.
But accusing others of theft and DDosing without proof is a no-go.
And what is this mud-flinging under "Side Note" on DW's page? Doesn't belong there either.
For childish crap like this there's QQ forums.
Now go away. Steve1 (talk) 11:15, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Hello, if you don't know the gvg scene you shouldn't edit posts about it as if you do imo, and being sassy about it doesn't help much
cute have been bragging about winning by ddos since they won, some of them making characters with names referring to it too here is a screen shot from fluffy rainbow unicorns [cute] guild chat shortly after finals game, they are German guild
I'd also be grateful if someone could somehow remove my ip from this post, since if they see me post this they might go for me too --The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) at 16:56, 22 November 2015‎ (UTC).
"Sass" aside, Steve is correct: We don't act on speculation.
As for your IP, it's there for a reason, as the site said it would be. It will do you zero harm. G R E E N E R 18:57, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Shadow Army[edit]

Category:Shadow Army affiliation is populated with multuple creature types. --Falconeye (talk) 18:02, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Good to know. Thanks. Steve1 (talk) 18:22, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Non-perfect items[edit]

Should we rename Category:Low requirement unique items to mirror your edits? --Falconeye (talk) 03:50, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't feel strongly about that. Anything along the lines of "non-perfect" "imperfect" "non-max" sounds a tad bit better than "low requirements" to me. But changing 36 pages ... if you feel like it ... ;) Steve1 (talk) 10:23, 5 June 2016 (UTC)


Thanks for being around for that. G R E E N E R 05:30, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

De rien. Or since you're Canadian: Bienvenue. ;-D Steve1 (talk) 08:48, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Lol, flashbacks to Grade 8 with Madam Gunn, and her shaking her head at us. G R E E N E R 17:07, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Right she was!
And you triggered a flashback for me as well: Grade 12, "advanced" English class, Southern Alta. Kids would still ask: Can I go to the bathroom. Mr. West's unerring response: I don't know if you're physically and mentally able, but you may.
Call that a mental block. (Don't think they did it just to wind him up) Steve1 (talk) 06:18, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Design choice[edit]

Heya, Steve! Quick question: was this change based on a consensus I missed, or a BOLD change? If it was the former, could you tell me where it was reached, or if it is the latter, may I propose a slight change? From this:

Level Skills
Cure Hex.jpg
Divine Intervention.jpg
Dwayna's Kiss.jpg
Orison of Healing.jpg
Resurrection Chant.jpg
Vigorous Spirit.jpg
Word of Healing.jpg
Balanced Stance.jpg
12 Divine Favor, 12 Healing Prayers

To this:
Level 20, 12 Divine Favor, 12 Healing Prayers

Cure Hex.jpg
Divine Intervention.jpg
Dwayna's Kiss.jpg
Orison of Healing.jpg
Resurrection Chant.jpg
Vigorous Spirit.jpg
Word of Healing.jpg
Balanced Stance.jpg

Or even this:
Level 20, 12 Divine Favor, 12 Healing Prayers

Cure Hex.jpg
Cure Hex
Divine Intervention.jpg
Divine Intervention
Dwayna's Kiss.jpg
Dwayna's Kiss
Orison of Healing.jpg
Orison of Healing
Resurrection Chant.jpg
Resurrection Chant
Vigorous Spirit.jpg
Vigorous Spirit
Word of Healing.jpg
Word of Healing
Balanced Stance.jpg
Balanced Stance

They have similar height impact as the current design, I'm personally just not a big fan of boxed in white space. - Infinite - talk 09:32, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

I'd say it was neither nor. ;-D It was basically just what I "announced" on Falconeye's talkpage as a response to Magamdy:
Some skill lists looked like the before, some like the after version. I then decided which I liked better and changed the others to it. Tbh I didn't even look if there's a consensus on how it should be done (the support pages are FUBAR imo, it always takes me ages in order to find stuff I'm looking for).
I personally prefer the boxed version (we had that in the past before with something else iirc :D ) but could live with your proposed changes. You might wanna get FE and Magamdy involved though. Cheers, Steve1 (talk) 19:17, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

First Sun[edit]

This is the only page that mentions "First Sun" on the wiki, but IMO that doesn't make it outside the scope of the project. ANet has an internal lore wiki full of stuff like this (or at least it did at the time Nightfall came out). ANet also look at this wiki and GW2W to check their lore. I have no doubt that whatever "First Sun" is, more lore for it exists but was never put in a game (but it might have been kept in mind while designing things). Wren only gets one mention in GW1, and yet we actually go there in GW2. I kind of wonder if we'd have ever got to go there if we hadn't documented it fully on this wiki. --Santax (talk · contribs) 21:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

I don't mind if you undo my revert - but at the moment it's only a red link. And *I* have no clue what to add to a newly created page. Do you have any additional info regarding FS? Steve1 (talk) 21:32, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
If the lore exists in Guild Wars 2, it doesn't necessarily exist in Guild Wars, but this dialogue specifically mentions First Sun with capitals. There is a story there, but it's not covered at all in Guild Wars. This leads me to believe to not document it as an article. If Guild Wars 2 elaborates on the term 'First Sun', at most a trivia note on Keeper of Light should address what that means, with a link to GW2W. - Infinite - talk 22:12, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
In this case, the lore doesn't even exist in GW2 - it's mentioned once and never again. If I had to guess, though, I'd say that it's related to the GW universe's creation myth, so in terms of importance you can't get much higher. But we don't know anything about it other than the Keeper of Light was blinded by it (presumably) long, long ago. So the question is whether to have a page on a high-importance subject even though we know virtually nothing about it. To me, the answer is obviously yes, as this is both necessary for the wiki to be a complete account of the games' lore and also consistent with our previous approach - we have entire categories for stuff like this.
Who knows what lore is out there yet to be documented because people didn't want to create a red link in one place, and then it gets mentioned elsewhere and a red link doesn't get created there either, and so the page never appears in Special:Wantedpages? Red links help the wiki grow. --Santax (talk · contribs) 13:48, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
I agree red links are important to focus attention on the important and missing articles, but as you said it is mentioned once and never again. Everything about it would be speculation and that's not what the wiki does. If there is lore in-game, we should document it. But currently there is not so we can only guess. The fact that it is mentioned is the only fact about it, thus warranting nothing more than a note on the Keeper's until more facts specifically arise in either game.
What do you suggest an article for First Light would contain, if a note is not sufficient here? Is there any chance the red link becomes a blue one on GWW prior to added lore in GW2, per example? The purpose of a red link is to point out missing articles because they should exist and have content that should be documented. For this red link we have nothing but a comment by an NPC, and no hopes of it becoming more than that. To me that is basis to leave it as a note rather than the precedent for its own page, despite the foreshadowing of important lore in its connotation. - Infinite - talk 18:29, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
It would be a short article, probably saying something to the effect of "First Sun was an event at some point in Tyria's history. The Keeper of Light was blinded in its light." It's like having an article on Xun Rao, Gates of Heaven, Dzalana, or Grand Patriarch Mouvel. --Santax (talk · contribs) 08:51, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm personally still unconvinced. For all we know First Sun simply refers to the birth of a Forgotten. As in, the Keeper of Light was partially but permanently blinded by the first sunlight they saw. I would go with a trivia note along the lines of: "* The Keeper mentions an event called "First Sun," but neither the game nor the .dat file has any context for this."- Infinite - talk 12:58, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Note about boss drops[edit]

Can I put that bosses can drop 2 wings in the talk page on griffon wings?--Saxazax (talk) 23:43, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Saxazax, bosses can drop up to 4 items (plus gold) - so if you want to be consitent you'd have to add such a note to many item talk pages.
In other words: This is nothing wings-specific.
See where I'm going?
But if you wanna add that to the talk page than feel free. Steve1 (talk) 16:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

That Edit[edit]

Re: Was only due to my frustration to locate mission info with out having to jump around and reverse track either via Zaishen mission info or the Missions - just trying to make it easier for those new, yes new players. Just seems the Proph, NF and GWEN outposts have a easier link. Though I may be mistaken. TikkaLeFem (talk) 19:23, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for taking a bit. I missed this edit to my talk page. At the top of the page there is the disambig info, which so far didn't include the link you were looking for. I added it. I suggest you do it like that on other pages where the autodetect doesn't work 100%. Fair enough? :) Steve1 (talk) 14:59, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Dasha Vestibule[edit]

Sorry, but your opinion here is not right: after completion of the first trial in the central room only the entrance to the left room becomes open, while the right room is still closed (checked today). So, my expression "second trial room" was correct. Although it can be named "left" as well, the reason of your edit is misguiding. -- 13:04, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Good to know. Haven't done the mission in quite a while. THanks for the info. Steve1 (talk) 16:33, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Can verify IP's comment. The order of doors opening is centre, left, right and these paths open one at a time. Technically the centre room is not locked, but you get the idea. - Infinite - talk 18:44, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

the power of blood[edit]

nice try, shade. Justice (talk) 23:25, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Justice, I am honestly surprised at how often I need to tell you to discuss the topic at hand. Repeating demonstrably false statements is gets you nowhere. It would have taken you just a few seconds to type out that the number reflects the level of the NPCs, not the number of NPCs encountered. Please take this as a learning moment, thank you. Greener (talk) 00:25, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Your edit is obviously correct, since it's about level and not amount of enemies - something I didn't think of yesterday.
But you should see some professional about your shade-obsession, dude. Steve1 (talk) 06:02, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
I can see we are learning already. Justice (talk) 07:47, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting me[edit]

You were right I forgot about the worms near the collector Varis.--Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 16:48, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Cheers! Steve1 (talk) 17:10, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Hey Steve, how are you doing? Thank you again! --Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 20:48, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Howdy Marc. I'm good. But busy with preparing my team and the site for COVID-19. Home office kinda sucks - you work (far) more than in the office. But now time for some relaxation. How are you?
No worries. You did the heavy lifting. Take care and stay healthy. Steve1 (talk) 20:57, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Good to know you are alright. And have something to do. It sucks to be less effective at home but I can see the appeal as you can take better breaks. As far as I'm concerned, I am fine, not sick (hope it stays that way), but in containment and unemployed :( I should look for a work rather than play and edit the wiki but given the current situation with all the business closing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯... let's say it's been harder to get motivated. --Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 10:39, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Not being sick is good. Hope it stays that way. The rest is ... :( Best of luck with your job hunt! And yeah, the situation now isn't perfect. Fingers crossed for you though! Steve1 (talk) 18:35, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Also thank you again for reading after my edits on the damage calculation page! I felt that - though the guy's work is very important and must have taken time - it had to be re-written in a more simple, comprehensive and less conceited/pompous (in lack of a better word to put it) way , but sadly I still struggle to remember that ":" rule... --Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 13:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Cheers! Steve1 (talk) 17:42, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Imperfect upkeep on fevered dreams[edit]

I see you reverted my edit on fevered dreams ( I just wanted to explain my point.

Both Fevered dreams and fragility have a flaw, in that renewing a condition does not trigger some effects (no spreading the condition with FD, no damage from Fragility). Letting the condition expire before renewing it however, allows to get the effect, so the best way to use the skills seems to be not to maintain each condition perfectly, but "near perfectly", so that we are sure the condition is gone when reapplying it.

Some stuff can screw this strategy though. Natural Resistance for instance, heavy condition removal (daze should cover if not too heavy).

Thanks for reading me, cheers --Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 21:19, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

I guess I might've gotten it now. Is this what you want to say:
It's best to keep conditions on the target almost non-stop. Let them expire and directly afterwards re-apply the condi again. ?
upkeep is for maintained enchantments. So that link added extra confusion to an already confusing sentence. ;)
And what do you mean with that? "the application will trigger the bugged interrupt from daze" Do you mean this? "Daze will interrupt spells upon application, regardless of the source of the condition."
Just revert my revert and clarify your original edit. :) Steve1 (talk) 18:24, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Yes I meant to let the conditions expire. With heroes or player wanting to spam skills, it can be interesting to lower the attribute rank for condition-inflicting skills to avoid dealing with a time window where conditions would be renewed instead of reapplied. And yes I mean the interrupt from daze.--Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 19:31, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

2016 social engineering[edit]

Re: your email. In 2016, a few individuals abused the support system to change account emails for other people's accounts to their own emails. They did this by guessing or googling personal information, and the support staff did a very poor job verifying ownership before transferring it to the new person. As a result, most of the accounts that were leaders of old gold-trim guilds got stolen. In an attempt to bring the issue to ANet's attention, one of the "hackers" used the technique to acquire Gaile Gray's account, complete with GM tools and special green speech privileges. They stood around in Kamadan, swearing and muting people in chat to make sure nobody could ignore the security flaws. ANet quickly took the servers down and banned every account that guy had, and even tried to take him to court (in his home country of Germany) but that failed spectacularly. You can read more about his story here.

Long story short, accounts of famous players in famous guilds were stolen and deleted, sold for real money, sold on d2jsp, whatever. It hit a huge number of "classic" gold trim guilds, and nobody's really sure how many legit ones are left. -Auron 22:38, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Steve1 (talk) 16:11, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

About my edits on Signet of Illusion[edit]

Hello Steve, thank you again for looking after what I do. I didn't mean to cause trouble here, but I thought the skill description was somewhat in need of clarification.

Recently I started an iron challenge with N/Me and I have some fun using skills like Mind Wrack or Malaise. You will understand that naturally I tried to look for information about the energy of foes in PvE, but we actually have little about it.

So I went on to do more tests, and the best energy degeneration skill is Ether Lord, with a good -3. Ether Lord is hardly maintainable, so in a flash I thought about using Mantra of Persistence to extend the duration. It only works on illusion spells, so I believed Signet of Illusion would have been able to turn it into an illusion magic spell. The description states "uses your Illusion magic attribute", and not explicitly "rank", so I had to check.

I ran tests and as you can expect it turns out that the duration stays the same, so we can conclude that Signet of Illusion does not make the spell an Illusion Magic spell. I also tested with Elemental Flame, and burning is still applied, so the hex is still considered a spell from its original attribute.

And here you have it. Hope my explanation wasn't too long, thank you for reading me. Cheers --Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 18:08, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Howdy Marc. All good. :) Take care of yourself, Steve1 (talk) 18:34, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey Steve1[edit]

Sorry for such a delay (2 yrs)

I'm answering your question you asked me back then. Yes I've gathered 8 assassin players and killed Shiro. He does not bow after being defeated by 8 assassins.

Availability of skills[edit]

Maybe ~I'm mistaken, but I thought only the first skill trainer in a campaign that provides a certain skill is to be mentioned ? --Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 14:45, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

You're mistaken. Unless I'm mistaken. Kidding. Look at other skill pages, there often is more than one skill trainer listed.Steve1 (talk) 14:49, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
I looked at more skills. Looks to be inconsistent. Let's see what the editing guides have to say.Steve1 (talk) 15:11, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Looking thru the formatting guides always takes me ages ... :( Guild Wars Wiki:Formatting/Skills#Acquisition doesn't specify it - but it uses the plural form regarding skill trainers. WHich is obviously needed since some skills can be found in more than one campaign.
My personal preference would be to include all trainers, but either way there would be work to do, since the skill pages are inconsistent. Dont know if either one of us has the nerve to wade thru 1000+ pages.
The skill trainer pages also are inconsistent. Most mention if a trainer offers skills from a previous trainer and doesn't list them. At least one doesn't mention it and lists the skills normaly. Steve1 (talk) 15:35, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Snark attack: User talk:Ruine Eternelle#.5B1.5D Steve1 (talk) 13:35, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Damn. I lost again. You are definitely the best at this game. --Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 14:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Snark-shark. ;) I actually accidently stumbled over that discussion. Nice timing. :D Steve1 (talk) 15:57, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Frustrations with sysops[edit]

Just catching up on what's been happening with the sysop guide. I've been rather busy this past week or so, my apologies. If you're having an issue with a sysop, myself included, we have an admin talk page where you can bring the topic up. We also have some bcrats you can talk to and even an RFA process which may interest you.

I've got more clients to go today, but I'll try to check back on the wiki later tonight. Greener (talk) 22:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey Kevin, will respond later - might be Thursday. Good luck with the clients. Steve1 (talk) 06:40, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Just a quick response, otherwise it'll probably become Thursday.
I accidently stumbled over the guide when looking for formatting guides and just wanted to document facts, as it's this wiki's goal. I was refering to the issue we were discussing last summer.
And removing facts and replacing then with self-adulation doesn't sit particularly well with me.
If you want to, we can continue our email exchange from last year - I'm just not certain that it will lead anywhere. You admitted that you chose to ignore a wikirule and claimed to have discussed the situation w/ one of the bcrats.
You see, all those links are rather pointless. The whole system is so intrinsically flawed it's laughable. Example: Let's assume I have a problem w/ a bcrat. Then all I can do is ... bring it to the attention of the bcrats. Dog don't eat dog. Pointless. Accused and judge would be one.
Plus, if you email the bcrats they can just choose to ignore the mail. As I told you back then, that's what happened. Whether it was a techical problem (emails don't always get delivered - just had a case at work 2 weeks ago) or if a normal editor is beneath them or if it's "There's honour among thieves.".
Pointing to the RfR is similarly laughable. At the end of those RfA processes a bcrat "will exercise discretion when gauging/interpreting the amount of support/opposition." So we're back at what I wrote above: Utterly flawed system.
How were the appointments w/ the clients? Isn't covid affecting things? Or sales guys haven't had a single f2f in 2 months.
If this is rather incoherent please let me know. I feel tired and sucked dry, so probably not at my best. Steve1 (talk) 19:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
PS: If you wanna continue by mail drop me a line here. I don't check that address often.
Wasn't sure if you were planning on swinging back here to add more. I'm not in sales - I'm a private tutor - so helping kids through these times has been difficult; it's been difficult for everyone on all fronts.
I pulled up the emails again and took a look at what went on. You were concerned with some reverting which had been going on between you and another editor, an editor who was also involved in a PvP community discussion. I told you my intent was to keep the editor focused on the community issue in the hopes that some understanding would be reached. My hopes were misplaced as that editor continued to cause problems leading to me blocking them.
You had wished that I had acted differently towards the editor in regards to the reverting issue; or more precisely that I had gone to their page to discuss it with them. I understood that you weren't happy with my explanation, and I did not expect you to be as I said to you at the time. I apologized then and I'll apologize now. It's not a comfortable spot to be in when those tasked with addressing issues overlook yours.
To reiterate something that I hope I have expressed before, for your ongoing care for this community both on the wiki and I'm sure in the game, you have my gratitude. We may differ on how we think some situations should be handled, but we both want the best for the community. I'll always respect that. Greener (talk) 01:47, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
I decided it was coherent enough after all.
Private tutor sounds bad in teh current situation. Best o' luck for ya.
I understood your intent back then, still do and will continue to do so. What I did not understand back then, still don't understand now and will continue not to understand unless you give me a logical and reasonable reason is why you were treating the issue as if the 2 things were mutually exclusive. I told you back then (twice actually) that you might as well post on their talkpage that they clearly had broken a rule (and you agreed with me that they had, in written!) and should take appropriate measures while at the same time encouraging them to continue with the discussion. How about this (minus the snark): "Kevin, theotherwikiposter is quite right about you violating a wikilaw. Be a good little Canuck and take appropriate steps - you know the rules. Thanks. I also noticed that the two of you are currently engaged in a lively discussion about how to remedy your disagreements. I appreciate your efforts and encourage you to come to a mutual agreement. Let me know if you need support from my side in any way. Toodles, friendlywikisysop." I'm genuinely interested why this wasn't possible (and you never bothered to explain). So fire away!
We have rules on the wiki. Either stick to them and enforce them. Or change them so they reflect reality. And if reality is that bcats and sysops can ignore the rules when they feel like it then make it official. "It's not a comfortable spot to be in when those tasked with addressing issues overlook yours." Sweetie-pie, that wasn't my private issue, it was and is official wiki rule.
There's one or two more points, but I will exchange them with you via mail. Best, Steve1 (talk) 14:44, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
I do not know my exact line of reasoning last summer; all I have is the email exchange and vague memories. I have expressed myself as best as I can with what I recall. I'm sorry that it falls short of what you are looking for.
As for your concerns in the email about the RfA process, I am only a sysop while the community wishes me to be. If they do not wish for me to be a sysop, then I have no problem in stepping away. Greener (talk) 05:20, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
We didn't interact outside of our email exchange. So your notes are complete.
I'd like to know why [1) keeping a discussion going] and [2) informing someone that they broke a wiki rule] seem to be mutually exclusive to you and why you can't do / couldn't do both. You haven't given any reasoning back then nor now that I've asked you again one day ago.
The only reasoning given by you was that you didn't impose wiki rules because you wanted to keep a discussion going. And I responded (twice) that those two things aren't mutually exclusive and can be done in parallel. Steve1 (talk) 08:16, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
"seem to be mutually exclusive" - Keeping a discussion in one place is beneficial. Greener is the most cautious of the sysops and this is exactly what I was aluding to on the sysop guide as effectively "perfect" sysop behaviour - you let the individuals discuss what they want, see if they reach a conclusion, and only weigh in if it gets absolutely toxic or when the users involved become destructive to the point that you're likely to lose further users if they step in to the discussion.
Ultimately sysops will do what we think is right to ensure the stability of the wiki, even if one or two overly sensitive individuals perceive it as some kind of suppression state. -Chieftain Alex 08:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Alex, implying that I'm an "overly sensitive individual" isn't helping anything.
I never, ever disagreed that the discussion should not have continued or kept in one place. On the contrary, my original sentiment on the talkpage definitely needed correcting. And I never asked Kevin to stop the other user from participating or asked him to slap a (temp) ban on them. Not once. All I asked was that he'd let that user knwo that he (the user) had overstepped a rule and amend it while at the same time encouraging him (the user) to continue the discussion with me. I still don't see any reason why both things (encouraging the discussion AND letting a user know they broke a rule) cannot be done simultaneously. Do you have one?
And since you opened up the tangent: (Disclaimer: I don't really care about that aspect - but since you mentioned it ...) Kevin's later participation in the actual talkpage discussion was far from "perfect". The other user and I had a non-toxic non-distructive discussion and were approaching consensus when Kevin butted in with a "compromise" which clearly was in the interest of neither the other user nor me. But once again: I don't care about this aspect. I don't have any qualms w/ Kevin about this - otheruser and I were able to reach consensus even in spite of Kevin's contribution to the discussion. [Apologies Kevin, this stinger isn't targeted at you]
"Ultimately sysops will do what we think is right to ensure the stability of the wiki" Yeah, that's clear. Steve1 (talk) 09:28, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
"even if one or two overly sensitive individuals perceive it as some kind of suppression state." Noone even remotely alluded that the inherent faults of the wiki could be similar to or in a comparable league as a suppression state until you decided to troll me butt in. f you really think oppression states and the intrinsic failures of the wiki are even remotely comparable, you're embarassing yourself, as well as your history and social science teachers. Steve1 (talk) 15:54, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

RFA - Sysop nomination[edit]

Hey - After the current round of RFAs are complete, I'm planning on nominating some people (including you) to be additional Sysops, as I mentioned before. It seems to me that you've been a longtime contributor to the wiki, and have a working relationship with at least one of the current sysops, which are both good. It also seems that you don't necessarily agree with every decision that's been made, and my goal to have more dialogue regarding the adminship of the wiki would benefit from the addition of your voice. horrible | contribs 17:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Horrible, thnaks for the consideration.
Nominating someone purely on current activity imo isn't the hottest idea. It's far more important if the nominee has shown promissing behaviour or at least gives the impression that he could change their behaviour with the new role.
In my case, I'd need to change my behaviour a bit since I tend to be a tad bit too confrontational than befits a sysop (imo). So the question would be if you (and everyone else) think I could do that.
I don't think I'd stand a chance in a vote. But choices are good. I'll have to read up on the exact job description of sysops before I could give a final decission though.
You've been asked about running and already declined - so I spare us the question.
Btw, I'll be less active this month due to RL stuff. July should be fine again. Steve1 (talk) 10:44, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Deleting proceeded by/followed by[edit]

Why are you deleting that info? Just because they are not required doesn't mean they don't proceed or are follow ups to other quests and missions. It's just as much a matter of info as it is a matter of requirement. Justice (talk) 11:16, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Because for any other mission or quest a "preceded by" means that it's a real prerequisite. And that's not the case for prophecies primary Qs and missions, so they aren't really preceded or followed by. Plus I started a discussion here Talk:Mission and noone seemed to be bothered. And we've done something similar for pre-searing a while ago and there the consensus was that only real prereqs should be noted like that. Steve1 (talk) 11:32, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
So put a note that it's not required. Just because it's not mandatory doesn't mean it's not a precursor quest nor a lead in to the next. That is indeed useful information for anyone trying to figure out where they are in the particular story and where they are going to next. Not everyone knows every mission outpost by memory. Ive used this info myself in the past when I returned to a character after some time away and wanted to find the npc offering the primary that leads to the continuation of the story. Justice (talk) 11:55, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Sic on four dots[edit]

Isn't that a punctuation mistake ? I was in Jaga Moraine --Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 16:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Edit : "I love the weather this time of year" and "I hear frogs taste just like chicken" both end with four dots ingame.--Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 16:44, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey Marc, I'd say no. The first three dots are an ellipsis (, the last one the full stop/period. I've seen it done with three dots (just the ellipsis) and with four like here. Makes sense? Cheers, Steve1 (talk) 16:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Huh, TIL "When a fourth dot appears, it indicates that the omitted material included at least one sentence." horrible | contribs 17:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Okay ... Learned something new then. Steve1 (talk) 17:34, 17 June 2020 (UTC)