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Vili[edit]

This request is for the sysophood of Vili (talkcontribslogsblock log).
Created by Vili 点 User talk:Vili 10:36, 18 September 2009 (UTC).

Status[edit]

Failed 16:04, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Candidate statement[edit]

hi im terrible ops plz

Compared to some others, my time and achievements on Guild Wars Wiki are rather negligible. I've only been active here for about 10 months. During that time, although many of you have gotten to know me (and vice versa), I've mostly kept myself to the User and Talk namespaces. I don't really participate in policy discussions and such; my edits to the mainspace are usually vandal reverts or removal of terrible advice. I may be best known for trolling, asshattery, socking, or other inane behaviors such as my wtf chain...or perhaps for my tendency to ragequit the wiki(s)/Guild Wars/life when I'm upset. (Although I will say I am "over this" kind of immaturity now, there are only so many times you can be a doublebag and apologize later, before people don't trust you anymore.) This is not exactly an impressive base from which to lauch an RfA!

However, I think that I make up for my lack of sweat equity through other intangibles. Those that remember me as Entropy from GuildWiki can attest to my experience as a sysop (2 years) and bureaucrat (1.5 years). I am also a bureaucrat and sysop on Guild Wars 2 Wiki (although currently that doesn't mean much :D). I have a long track record of vandal fighting, conflict mediation, housekeeping (e.g. mass deletion of orphaned images), policy formation/debate, resolving RfA's such as this one, and other "sysoppy" things. In addition, to put it simply, I've been fairly active across both wikis: with about 16,000 edits (not counting deletions etc) on GuildWiki and 3,000-odd here, it should go without question that I "know what I'm doing", even if I'm not a wiki wizard with a photographic memory of every policy like Poke. I also do not think it would be conceited or exaggerated to say that I have (or had, at any rate) near-mythical status, both as a sysop and a user, at the height of my power. I even had a personal fanclub. One does not come to command such widespread respect and admiration by being bad at their job. I don't hold any delusions of grandeur on GWW, but I'm not a complete nobody here either.

"But Vili, you already have ops on two other wikis. Surely you would not have much time for GWW!"

Actually, I'm far more active today on GWW than GuildWiki. When GWW first came into existence, I was one of its most vocal opponents, and I resisted from even registering an account here for the longest time. While many of my sysops-in-arms migrated, and some even got "grandfathered", I stuck with GuildWiki. But, the fact of the matter is that Guild Wars Wiki simply has infinitely more manpower, so from the first day of the split, it was inevitable that GuildWiki would eventually stagnate and effectively be relegated to history. I still love wikis, though, and so that's why I am on GWW today. Despite being the captain, I didn't want to go down with the ship.

"Vili, I think you are too comfortable with the trolls and spammers on GWW. Wouldn't you be dangerously biased if given sysop tools?"

Here's the thing with being biased: it doesn't matter as long as you acknowledge it and compensate for it. When I was a sysop/bcrat on GuildWiki, I could say with some truth that I was friends with pretty much everyone, thus making me "personally involved" in almost any issue. There are more than a few GWW users whom I could easily claim to be "biased" towards. But I never let that sort of technicality stop me from performing my duties, and I think I did a pretty damn good job. Although this sometimes resulted in ridiculous accusations of favoritism, I would much prefer a sysop who is in touch with "the people" and can relate to them personally, rather than one who strives for absolute impartiality and objectivity in every decision. We are all human, after all, and a bleeding heart is better than none at all. In fact, I feel that is my greatest strength I can bring to the sysop team: I know and relate to all sorts of users, be they Wiki Gnomes or Trolls or Dragons; I'm not afraid to get into the thick of things and get my hands dirty. I like to deal with things on a personal level. (And I still play Guild Wars on a regular basis. That's surely a plus on a wiki about Guild Wars, no?)

Final odds and ends:

  • Although vandalism is pretty well under control, I tend to have unusual online hours that might cover times when other sysops aren't active. Scanning the recent changes is one of my hobbies, so I'll probably catch incidents even if I'm not explicitly notified.
  • As a sign of good faith and a concession of apology to all the irritation I've caused "certain sysops", I hereby declare that I will never make another sock account without a legitimate reason (possible username change etc), and I am willing to divulge the names of all my already-existing socks. I also swear not to make joke nominations in future bureaucrat elections.
  • If you are going to vote neutral or opposed, please, give me a legitimate reason so I know what areas to improve on. Even if this RfA is unsuccessful, I desire to clean up my act on GWW. Only you can tell me how I'm doin it rong.

Vili 点 User talk:Vili 10:36, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Support[edit]

  1. You have the support of the Cranes =D--Unendingfear 19x19px 12:22, 18 September 2009 (UTC)...
  2. GuildWiki. 'Nuff said. You'll do a good job with this. Either that, or you'll burn the place down, but oh well. King Neoterikos 12:55, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  3. Strong support. For the same reason I'd support Auron, and for the same reason I'd run if I felt responsible enough. Addendum: I don't think Vili would run if he didn't feel (and thus wasn't) ready to hold the office. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 15:29, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  4. Sure, we need more people who can keep asshats in line. And it takes an asshat to know one. <edit> Also, since when is socking bad? Hell, a lot of admins do it and no one seems to care. Seriously, Wyn, grow up and realize that itz the internetz and sometimes asshattery happens...that doesn't make the person a bad option for an admin. Karate User Karate Jesus KJ for sig.png Jesus 15:53, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  5. Epic support. I've had the opportunity to speak to you on many occasions about your colossal, catastrophic failures on GuildWiki. Sure, you always had the best intentions at heart, but it didn't always turn out so well. However, those good intentions, the burning desire to do the right thing, to uphold the spirit of the law in a genuine attempt to improve the wiki... That deserves sysophood. I believe that you've learned a tremendous deal from your success and from your mistakes (experience is important), arguably more than many of the sysops here, and will continue to, as we all learn from ours; I don't see repeat incidents in the future. It is for all of these reasons that I offer my strong support your RFA. User Raine R.gif is for Raine, etc. 16:52, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  6. Strong support. As Entropy on GWW, this user has been (and is) effective, efficient, and thorough in addressing vandals, clean-up/copyedit, and factual accuracy. Vili's is already doing sysop-like work on GWW without the powers and title. This wiki can only benefit from approving this RFA. (The points listed under Oppose might influence my vote for B'crat; they do not discourage my strong support for RFA.)   — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  7. tl;dr Support. ,but I saw "in touch with the people" and the name "Vili". Titani Uth Ertan 09:19, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
  8. Would be more competent with sysop tools than some who already hold the position. -Auron 14:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
  9. It's Vili. Recognizing and acknowledging mistakes, as well as having a realistic picture of yourself, is not a common quality. I think Vili can bring a lot of experience and variety to the sysop team, particularly in terms of the community. There is more to leadership than discussing policy. While I do have reservations considering that there is not much to show for Vili's potential here, ultimately Vili is one of the people I want to see helping to run the wiki. --salvius 18:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
  10. Vili has a long history of being a good sysop, and I cannot believe that she has mystically forgotten how2sysop upon transferring to another wiki. User has consistently displayed competency (and seriousness!) on others' RfAs, showing that she is fully aware of what the job entails, both explicitly and implicitly, in addition to many of the positive qualities outlined in Raine's, TEF's, and Auron's comments. Furthermore, Vili has taken actions to "come clean," and that- in addition to this RfA, which is indeed serious- shows me that Vili is not just RfAing "for the lulz." I feel that Vili is one of the most qualified users still on GWW that could be considered for the position. – Emmett 21:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
  11. My bitch frand, villy, will be gud adminz on gww bcuz she villy luffs me, i mean cmon...armond has admin so why cant villy get it, arent they like twins? <edit> btw EL OH EL @ wyn being first to oppose laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwlllllllllll¤Dark ';~;' Chaos¤ 23:29, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
  12. Despite the amount of trolling, etc (not going to restate your whole schpiel), I think Vili is just as competant and qualified as anyone else for this position. S/he(idfk really) admits to their faults, which cannot be said about many people on here (or in general tbqh). Sure, Vili is a total shitstir sometimes, but if people are willing to look past that I see some potential f0sh0. ~ WELL HELLO Chao 21:05, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
  13. looks good. Lilondra User Lilondra Sig.jpg*poke* 17:47, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
  14. Support - this place needs more sysops that actually understand that this is teh internetz. Competent, experienced, and a sense of humor, much better than many others on this wiki. -- User Staples sig icon.png Staples - talk 18:16, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
  15. Support He is experienced and willing to help to improve GWW and to keep it clean from vandals by regular scanning of recent changes. Having adminship will allow him to perform admin tasks. Elephant 18:39, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
  16. I r supportah! Learned me the art of messing with css and js + has expirience in all of these things + wtf chain = pure awesome. Nectarines // 18:47 25 September 2009(UTC)
  17. Strong Support "I may be best known for trolling, asshattery, socking, or other inane behaviors such as my wtf chain..." <- because of that :-) - Wuhy User Wuhy sig.jpg 00:40, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
  18. Nuff said. --Underwood 06:20, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

  1. Oppose. No, just no. <edit>Let me expound on that a little. I don't think that someone who continuously creates socks just to troll is a good candidate for sysop on this wiki. From the time you started actually posting here, you have continuously created controversy in one way or another, and self proclaimed you were only here for the lulz. -- Wyn User Wynthyst sig icon2.png talk 10:38, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  2. Oppose. I think we've already got enough of the ability/attitude that you would bring to the sysop position. -- FreedomBoundUser Freedom Bound Sig.png 13:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  3. Oppose. "I may be best known for trolling, asshattery, socking, or other inane behaviors such as my wtf chain...or perhaps for my tendency to ragequit the wiki(s)/Guild Wars/life when I'm upset..." qft mister dramaqueen. --Cursed Angel Q.Q 14:03, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  4. Weak Oppose. I like Vili. But they're from PvX, aren't they? *cringe*-- User Vanguard VanguardLogo.pnganguard 14:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  5. Oppose. I may be best known for trolling, asshattery, socking Exactly ~ KurdUser Kurd sig.png 14:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  6. Oppose Trolls make bad sysops. 110.32.1.105 18:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  7. Oppose Don't see vili adminship worthy. --Dominator Matrix 23:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  8. Oppose Actions with the intent to disrupt and/or annoying other users are not smiled upon, be them on a sock or not. — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 17:28, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
  9. Oppose While I admired your work on GuildWiki, I cannot say I admire your work on GWW. Either way this isn't GuildWiki- even if they hold a similar "mission statement"- so it would be unreasonable to base judgment on work from GuildWiki. You seem to (as said above) disrupt users with certain behaviour and, right now, I don't think you'll make a good sysop for GWW. In terms of future RfA (if needs be) I would like to see more from you in edits in the main space (currently at 392) instead of focusing on the User talk area. I think many people forget that "the purpose of the Guild Wars Wiki is to document the game. Users should focus their time and dedication on Guild Wars Wiki-related contributions"* and I would say you would be one of them. The last few sentences of your second paragraph (personal fanclubs, "one does not come to command such widespread respect and admiration", "not a complete nobody here either" etc.) doesn't sell it for me either; it's not a high school popularity contest. I hope your "fan club" don't just vote for you because they are your friends. There was quite some controversy in past RfA confirmations about separating a Sysop from a User, but personally I think they need to be one-in-the-same and right now the User part is severely hindering my judgment on you. In short, I would like to see you change your behaviour (you're itching to tl;dr this aren't you?) and start improving the wiki instead of using it as some water-cooler catch up time. ~Celestia 00:37, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
  10. Oppose: His list of reasons for sockpuppetry don't really talk well of him.--Fighterdoken 22:16, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
  11. -- Halogod35 User Halogod35 Sig.jpg
  12. Oppose: Admins shouldn't have 20+ socks made just to troll people. --AnorithUser Anorith Grenths Grasp.jpgTalk 20:10, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  13. Oppose: Had you not been fooling around with socks and trolling, you'd have my support on your noble quest. Might be fitting for you to stay on the regular user side for now, GWW does not really seem to be your cup of tea sysop'ing. Mediggo 06:38, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
  14. Oppose:Vili is one of my better friends, but aren't they from PvX? *cringe* User Felix Omni Signature.pngelix Omni 08:33, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
  15. Oppose: What Dominator Said--87.67.175.124 09:23, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
  16. Oppose: I like Vili. But they're from PvX, aren't they? *cringe* --Venomoth 15:48, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
  17. 'I'll be gud nao, so can I plx has sysop tools?' is not a terribly convincing argument, and that's how I read this. There is no reason one cannot first show oneself trustworthy, and then holding a RfA. Nor are technical skill (takes 3 mins to learn) or meatpuppets. Backsword 21:07, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Neutral[edit]

  1. Neutral. Even though you love Finnish people (wut?!) - J.P.ContributionsTalk 12:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  2. Neutral. I'm honestly not sure. Wyn brings up valid points, but your work at GuildWiki (and a lot of the work you've done here) has been extremely beneficial. I'll stay neutral for now. --User Wandering Traveler Sig2.png Wandering Traveler 13:31, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  3. Neutral. I like you as a person, Vili, and I would really trust you to use the sysop tools beneficial; however I am really not sure if sysop is the correct position for you on GWW. Given that you say yourself that you don't participate in policy or important discussions, and as such don't show your abilities to work as an interested user on improving GWW, I currently cannot support you :( poke | talk 13:40, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  4. Neutral. Vili <3. But cant decide about this.. |Cyan LightUser Cyan Light sig.jpgLive!| 14:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  5. Neutral. You were a very good sysop/bureaucrat on GuildWiki, however, your attitude on this wiki is not acceptable for a sysop. Unfortunately the only thing most people on this wiki know about you is that you are an asshat, troll and dramaqueen, so I'm voting neutral. I'm just not sure if it's a good idea to make you a sysop at this point in time... I'm leaning slightly towards supporting you, but someone's gonna have to convince me. Mini Me talk 17:28, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  6. Neutral. At least he put a better argument then jette... Talamare 20:55, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  7. Neutral. Going neutral as I've spoke to Vili a few times on IRC and found him to be affable, intelligent, informed and sincere. However unfortunately I don't think he conveys the many excellent qualities he has as a person into being a user here, in which he has a history of being here for shits and giggles, often ending up in the middle of wiki drama. If he choose to carry the more noble aspects of his nature into his time here as a user, rather than winding up trolls, I would vote support in the future. In addendum to this I personally don't think past behaviour on other wiki's should be considered for a position on this wiki. -- Salome User salome sig2.png 01:37, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
  8. Neutral I don't think he would be a bad sysop, but I'm not convinced he'd be great at it either. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 07:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
  9. Neutral You do have good points, but a few statements, like even on your page... Makes me feel uncomfortable. ♥ Ariyen ♀ 20:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
  10. Neutral I love you very much Vili, but I don't know about this...you're perfect for PvX though.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* User yasmin parvaneh sig.png 17:46, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
  11. Neutral On GuildWiki, yes, I respect what Entropy has done since the split. But as Vili here, despite the above promises for a change of behavior, it's still a little dubious. But obviously I'm speaking from a point of certain ignorance, given that I've spent very little time in talk pages the recent weeks (that being where you appear most active). --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Ab.er.rant (talk).
  12. Neutral. ↑Ab.er.rant, ↑Salome, ↑Shard. WhyUser talk:Why Are We Fighting 15:51, 26 September 2009 (UTC)