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Im a UAX, now what?[edit]

At the moment i got all my skills unlocked, but have a question to Anet, and the rest of the community. Beside Tournament Tokens, where can i spend my Balthazar Factions? It would be nice that we can trade the Balthazar Factions for Flame of Balthazar, like 1000 for a Flame of Balthazar and 3000 for a Golden Flame of Balthazar. Or any other thing in the game like new weapon skins, like we do like ATS reward points --Supermax 14:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

hi all... now i´ve got like 1000+ tournament tokens, can i spent it on zaichen keys??? like 5 tokens, 1 key??? this would be nice since because i dont know waht to do with all this tokens.... ;( --User Max sig.jpg (Max / talk) 11:51, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Tournament Tokens[edit]

Added a note about tournament tokens. They are the only things that have unlimited faction potential - you can get more and more. Dancing Gnome 02:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


Occasionally when I reconnect back to GuildWars, due to internet shutting me down or whatever the case may be, I see that my Balthazar Faction is a little messed up. It isn't serious, but I think it should be fixed.. In that picture, it shows I have 1,012 out of 0 Faction. I just thought it was something to point. --Pwrkaril 21:30, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Balthazar Faction - Where now?[edit]

moved from User talk:Gaile Gray

Dear Gaile,

I know this has probably been raised numerous times before, but as of about 9 months ago, I had unlocked all the pvp items on my account (all skills, All mods etc...). Now I am left with maxed balth faction and nothing to do with it. I know that it is unlikely that this request will be actioned considering the move of focus over to gw2, but please is there anyway that anet could add more functionality to balth faction. Even if its just to add a way to change 1000 balth faction into 1 tournament reward point, i would be happy. At least that way I could slowly start unlocking armour for my pvp chars. I'm not trying to be moany it just seems odd to have a mechanic which becomes completely redundant after a certain point, a point that isn't even that hard to get too and with the new pvp unlock packs, is almost instantly attainable. Also giving a way to gain tournament points through the use of balth faction would diversify the PvP rewards for people who enjoy other areas of pvp but not the daily/monthly tournament thingies which are already greatly rewarded due to the possibility of cash prizes if one does well in them. It would also lead to greater diversity within the pvp avatars which you see bopping about and allow the reward point system to be more widely utilized. To anyone who says that this would undermine the current reward point system, please bare in mind that to unlock 1 piece of basic armour it costs 20 reward points, thus at a conversion of 1000 balthazar faction = 1 reward point. An individual would need to gain 100,000 Balth faction just to unlock one full set of basic armour. It should also be noted that the reward point system has already been undermined to some degree with the introduction of reward points being a reward for guessing who wins correctly in the xunlai tournament, please note that this is not a complaint as personally i like this option as it makes everyone feel more included, but honestly the lvl of the reward for the amount of effort needed in guessing who will win is rather unbalanced compared to the difficulty of gaining the same number of points through the use of the current pvp tournament reward system. Anyway it was just a wee thought. Regards Salome 13:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Backed--Warior kronos 14:34, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't think I'm understanding you correctly, but you say "If there was a way to convert", when there already is... I understand your wanting to get armors and all that, and having them undermined, but... I mean seriously dude, that's a lot of game time. Like, I'm a PvPer, and I haven't even unlocked that much. I don't think ANet would make such huge changes for people like you, when there's no way people like you can be that common. Atleast, now. Maybe in 3-6 months people will start asking for this? Vael Victus 17:18, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Mate i'm not even a hard core PvP'er. I'm actually a PvE'er. I've played for 28 months though and I unlocked everything just through casual PvE play and the balth faction gained from occasional AB, RA, TA and HA. I swear man its REALLY easy to get all the stuff especially if like me you have 10 PvE slots for 1 of each main profession and you buy all the primary skills for them and cap all their primary elites. I know for a fact that alot of people who started around about the release of prophecies have now got to the point where balth faction is worthless to them as they've unlocked everything. Really its a complete drag as it wastes the faction you've gained as the only thing you can get with it is cack tournament tokens, which are pointless if you don't like HvH or cant get a competitive GvG organised. You cant even sell them as the people who are entering the tournament have more than enough faction to buy them themselves. So its just completely pointless. -- Salome 17:37, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah Vale, there are A LOT of people with fully unlocked accounts, almost every serious PvPer has one and now you can buy them. Don't forget if you unlock something in PvE it is unlocked in PvP so if you took every class through the game once and got most of their skills you are most of the way there. I am a PvE player and I have unlocked everything on my account. Because of the rediculous limitation to use tournament reward points instead of Balth Faction to unlock PvP items, the current Balth faction is almost entirely worthless. Frequently in my guild I see many people boast about the ammount of tokens they have because balthazar faction is worthless. Something like this change is VERY sorely needed. 06:09, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm not mistaken you can buy a Tournament Token for 1000 Balthazar faction, right ? Which may be useful to you, if you're inclined to do GvG or participate in the ATS Clan Yumemiru 15:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
What about people who don't play in tournaments? What about people who do play in tournaments but have tournament tokens coming out of their ears? It's completely pointless these days. Balthazar Faction NEEDS another use, preferably something repeatable like 5k for ale or something. 15:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeh its true, Balth faction can be used for tokens for tournaments, but many people either cant or dont want too participate in these. It seems odd to me to have such a limited reward mechanic and honestly i dont udnerstand why if you wish to customise your PvP charecter to your hearts content you are forced to play in certain types of PvP. I dont udnerstand why we cant just play any type of PvP we wish to play and use the common rewards from that (Balth faction), to customise our pvp charecters to our hearts content. It is already used to unlock mods, skills etc..., it seems only logical to me that this should also be the means used to gain new pvp armour/weapon skins. As at the way it stands Anet are basically saying the only PvP worth rewarding is tournament gvg and hvh, which is fine and well with the monetary reward but does that have to be carried into what armour one can ware also? To me it just seems limiting and it also seems to unbalance the rewards in PvP. As currently you get virtually no reward at all for playing TA and RA and very limited rewards for AB and HA. Really why put in forms of PvP and then basically turn round and go "yeh we've gave you it, but no point in playing it as we arent gonna reward you for it or anything". Some clarification from Gaile on this issue would be appreciated as I know MANY people who are in the same boat as I am and who feel the same way. -- Salome 21:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

(indent reset) Remember that the main reward for TA/RA is the Gladiator title and HA the Fame (Hero Title) track; HB has the Commander title as its main rewards (and the kudos!) but perhaps having a use for the excess Balth points wouldn't be a bad idea anyway. The problem is exactly what you can offer for Balth points; it has to be a "pure" PvP reward thing geared towards usability in any of the PvP forms; special armor/weapon skins are already covered by Tournament Victory points; skill/item unlocks are not an option (as stated before - what do you do once you reach "full unlock") - a few ideas that might be viable could be either "innocent" consumables (such as fireworks - alcohol and/or sugar would probably not be a good idea due to the related titles), or PvP Dye Vials to mix-dye PvP armor (yes, I know you can dye PvP armor - but only in a single color!) - or else (Temporary) Guild Hall decorations for the added surprise & fun. Just some ideas - probably non-viable from an implementation standpoint but hey ... who knows! Clan Yumemiru 22:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with what you're saying by and large, but personally i still think it would be easier to implement a new item from the tournament token vendor that you can purchase for 1k balth faction but when used gives you 1 tournament reward point. That would be extremely useful as not only could you then slowly build up armour for your charecter but you could also sell the tokens to others who want new armour. I honestly think this would be a great wee addition as it would give me a reason to farm balth points again and also even if you unlock every armour and weapon (something which would be impossible really as it would cost millions upon millions of balth points) you could still use them to get the new tokens to trade to others. It wouldn't effect the economy much as the sheer excess of balth points should keep the cost down. -- Salome 22:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd say that this is probably on my top 2 things that I wish Anet would implement. I, like many others, have unlocked everything. I still enjoy PvP, but due to my work, I can't participate in ATS on any reasonable level. I feel that ATS is generally aimed at an elite core of maybe 2-5% of GW's population, and that the reward system needs to be opened up to the public in some form. If they implemented a reward system where excess Balthazar faction was worth something, I think my entire play experience would be revitalized. Ideally, I'd like to see something where tournament reward tokens (or just excess balthazar faction) were traded for tournament reward points. Even a 50:1 ratio would be fine in my book. Barring that, I can't imagine it would be difficult to implement a collector who took X tokens and gave out Alcohol, Red Bean Cakes and Flames of Balthazar. If I could take the equivalent of 3000 balthazar faction to help a newer guildmate get an essential skill for GvG, it would make my gameplay easier and more entertaining! Please, Gaile, Anet, consider this. Craw 19:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
More choice = more fun for all. I, like many others here, would appreciate some kind of feedback on this before it gets archived away in the vaults of wiki. As honestly the current balth reward system is seriously lacking and the Tournament award system (TAS) is far too restrictive for those of us who do not have the time to invest to partake in them to any proper level. Surely some sort of fusion of the two would rectify both issues at once? -- Salome 02:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I am going to move this to the Balthazar Faction page. It's growing very long, and the length is causing others to have difficulty posting on my discussion page. Since it's a very interesting topic, I hope that others will continue to post their thoughts, even while I have no information to provide on this matter at this time. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 19:18, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Having moved this, I do want you to know I'll share the thoughts here, as I mentioned previously. Sharing does not mean that I will necessarily have detailed information to give you in response to passing along the ideas, but it does assure you that the designers will know of your thoughts. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 19:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Modest news flash: The design team is working on additional uses for Balth Faction. No details, and we don't have an ETA, but it's nice to know that these concerns have been relayed, and that they will be addressed! :) We will post as soon as more details are available. -- Gaile User gaile 2.png 20:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Zaishen Elite Cap[edit]

Isn't the cap for Zaishen Elite 6000 faction a day, not 2000? Shouldn't it be fixed or at least noted in there? Suicidal Romance X 09:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

True, I've added it --Arduinna talk 09:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Zaishen Elite is strange. If you never make it past the first level, you're still stuck with the 2000 point cap. Getting to level 3 will let you earn faction points again for sure, and I'm positive I've gotten them on level 2 when level 1 didn't work at least once as well. So it might scale up linearly as you progress. --Star Weaver 16:51, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

How does point cap work?[edit]

Hi all, i'm confused by the Balthazar faction points cap. The wiki page says that it caps at 10000 unless you have titles.. i have none of the titles listed. My meter bar caps at 10000 but if i mouse over it, it says my account has earned 176000 Balthazar faction. Am i over my limit? Will i no longer be able to get B faction? If it caps, ( I'm a pve player, my only pvp being ab or competitive missions) will I not longer be able to spend or earn faction on the 10k meter to buy zaishen keys with? With none of the titles listed on the wiki page, how much more can i expect to be able to earn before it stops.. I thought B faction could be endlessly acquire. What keeps people pvp'ing if they are no longer able to gain any rewards?

thanks for reading this. Hope its not too confusing. 19:27, 8 June 2008 (UTC) milo

If you press H, you will see your Balthazar have something like "2,500/10,000". This 10,000 is the cap, which means it is the maximum of faction you can "store". If you reach a rank in the Hero title track (before rank 5), your cap increases with 2,000. This means that you can store 12,000 faction and pressing H would give you a display of 2,500/12,000. Lastly, Luxon and Kurzick faction do not have an increasing cap. BlazeRick 11:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
^he answered most of your question. the 176000 you see when you mouse over the bar is the total amount of balth faction you've accumulated on that account, it has nothing to do with the cap on how much you can have at once. i assume when you ask why people say they are no longer able to gain rewards you're referring to the comments made in 2007. you can of course continue to gain balth faction as long as you spend some to keep the amount you currently have below the cap; those people were talking about how useless balth faction was at the time that they posted it. now there are z-keys for those who have already unlocked everything on their account. 00:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

i have a question i am fighting in the pvp zaishen challenge area and when i used to earn faction points for some reason i don't earn any points any more when i defeate my enimies. can someone help me?

^The faction you earn in the zaishen areas is capped per 24 hours, it's covered in the article :)

pre searing academy[edit]

when crossing to post, the academy fight gives faction. probably the same as ascalon arena but that doesnt have a lvl cap.--Justice 04:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


Please! add a title for balthazar faction. this will be used to determine pvp experience and such when forming groups or just for bragging rights (what other use do titles have anyway). The Zaishen title has absolutely nothing to do with overall PvP experience. Its merely a title that measures how many times your account has opened some stupid chest. PLEASE give us the PvP title we want. This should be easy to do, the game already keeps track of your total balthazar faction. Just add in a title track for it and we're set. I wouldnt want to see such a title having ways to get additional points, like Luxon/kurz titles gaining more if you donate the faction to your guild. This would be THE title used for recruiting, forming pvp groups, etc. Unless you were going for something a HA group requiring hero title, or TA group needing gladiator title. But i see all these guilds requiring a certain rank gladiator, or hero, or etc. Just add this title and it would simplify things alot and let us see who the most experienced pvpers are. You can even put in some cool emotes for the kids. --Celtus 22:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

LOL It sounds like you're asking for a title just for titles sake. We already have a title for each area of PvP. A BF title would be a waste of time. It won't tell anyone which area of PvP you're experienced in - just a grand sum of all faction earned. I for one disagree with your comments. If you're in one arena you only need to show the rank for that. Thus a BF title could also be misleading if you have gained it in a different arena. Further to that there's already too many titles out there. I'll repeat: A waste of time. – josəph 15:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
BF would be a GWAMM for the PvP. Not that I'd ever get anywhere with that title, but it would be something nice for PvP players that play different styles. -- Alaris_sig Alaris 16:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


Seriously, ArenaNet....

Unlocking high-end pets is near impossible balthazar faction wise....

You'd have to have max rank of one of the PvP Titles AND 2 from another one to get the rainbow phoenix.... It'd be easier to just do the thing in EoTN for em...

Please, arenanet, either do this, or make buying Zaishen Coins with balthazar faction possible.

Begging of thee, Kalizar of the Demagon 01:23, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Super Rare Moss Spider stays super-rare.. Consider it a special pvp item. Is it really that bad you don't have the tiny little creature? I'm happy at least this stays a serious challenge for players. --User Karasu sig.png Karasu (talk) 01:43, 29 April

2009 (UTC)

breaking 10k Balthazar cap[edit]

I see on the page here that u can have higher cap on balthazar by doing Gladiator, Hero, Champion or Commander title tracks what is the additional points of balthazar cap. It would be nice if that info was on the page.

I wonder who has the highest cap[edit]

Just curious really. I wonder which player would have the highest Balth faction cap in his/her account. That is, a good balance of title achieving across all PvP formats. :)--Sensei 17:18, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Contradicting note about 250,000 cap...[edit]

The note recently added by the IP user seems to contradict what is said previously in the article. The article leads the reader to think the Balthazar faction increase from Commander and Codex titles are mutually exclusive - for example, Codex(1) and Commander(1) would not increase the cap by 5,000 each, but only once for both. The new note however states otherwise. Clarification from someone who has ranks on both titles would be welcome I suppose.--Sensei 15:21, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Imperial faction[edit]

Seems like AB/FA/JQ aren't bad ways of farming Balt faction now. You don't have a daily cap to worry about, unlike the Zaishen Elite, although you do have to deal with bots/leechers/crappy teammates. -- Hong 18:22, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

New Bug?[edit]

Hey everyone, I found a weird glitch when getting Balthazar faction. I went into the Zaishen Elite with about 4700 faction. I maxed it after a short while and then bought 2 Zaishen Keys after re-zoning back to the Z-Elite waiting area. When i went back into the Zaishen Elite with my group of 4 i kept earning faction past the 6K/day maximum. I stopped after earning 4000 more faction. Here's another weird thing; when i went back into the mission area again from the waiting area, my faction had gone back to '0'!. Then i started earning faction again but it then capped at 1000. Im confused. Any ideas? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) at 16:42, 2 July 2011 (UTC).

Training Arena / Zaishen Challenge / Zaishen Elite limit reset[edit]

OK, there's a cap. I hit the cap. The next day I was still capped. When does the cap reset?

Is it a particular time, and if so, what time?

Is it 24 hours after you reach the cap?

Is it 24 hours after you last checked it (like the 30 day thing with the Nightfall Treasures)?

Cynique 14:14, 26 September 2011 (UTC)