Talk:Jotun

Giants or Ogres?

The other wiki says the latter (granted, tests were done using the Ogre-Slaying Knife, not sure about the results), but they use Giant Stomp. King Neoterikos 23:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Again, as I've stated in your talk page, I have screenshots somewhere. Heck, I could even go in a group with you and do it again, simply echo wild blow and swap weapons to see which does more damage. ^^ I just don't feel like joining a picture hosting site to link them, too much hassle when I know I'm right. 76.175.144.6

Then I'll revert my revert. King Neoterikos 23:47, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't really care how it's worded on the pages, or how it's noted, or even if jotuns are still listed in the giants page even though I've tested that they aren't giants, so long as it's noted somehow that they're actually ogres :P So thank you. 76.175.144.6

Remove

I think the "Weaknesses: They leave an exploitable corpse and can be affected by all conditions sholuld be removed. That can be applied to a large number of monster's in the game, counting players, so its not really a weakness. --Hawkins 15:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

It's indeed a bit redundant imo. -- Arduin 17:29, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Trivia or lore

→ moved from User talk:Tennessee Ernie Ford#Jotun page trivia

I didn't put it under trivia because I was making it as a lore note for a potential connection to the Yeti without having any speculation on the main page. It wasn't trivial information but lorical information. I semi-reverted that change with a rewording, hopefully it won't be misunderstood again. -- Konig/talk 04:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Occam's razor says the more likely situation is that it's an artifact of coding (accident, coincidence, or something else); we don't seem to have anything else (at least, not that I could find in the wiki) that points to a connection between Yeti and Jotun. In my opinion, it's not worth a note in the Jotun article; it' mentioned as trivia on the boss' own page and that's sufficient. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 04:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Ogre is yet another connection - same creature type, that is. By the time of Eye of the North, to our knowledge they were making creature types for far smaller groups, so grouping them all as Ogre doesn't seem unintentional (maybe lazy to not re-create code to utilize what Ettins originally were given - same going for why Yeti have such). It really doesn't seem like a simple mishap that was never fixed despite being pretty blatant to me. -- Konig/talk 05:24, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

(re-indent)

I removed the intro text that read, "Oddly, a leader of the Jotun uses the Yeti model, implying a connection between the two Ogre groups, however no such connection has been confirmed."

This game has at least two other instances where an image mistake has been made and ANet never bothered to correct it, including Rutger zu Heltzer's nephew, Terrik zu Heltzer who uses a female image. The TzH discrepancy (a) is even more blatant and (b) has been around longer than the yeti-image for Chief UG.

AFAIK, this wiki always uses a stronger standard before we update a mainspace article. Alternatively, if we're going to say that there is a connection, then we should be consistent and acknowledge that Kurzick culture supports cross-dressing. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:57, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Knock down

The phrase "Jotuns cannot be knocked down" is not exactly true. According to my observations, Jotun in Far Shiverpeaks can be knocked down, for example, using the Psychic Instability. They don't have the usual KD animation, instead they stand in the "frozen" pose during the knock down time and cannot use any skills. So, they are knocked down in mechanics but not visually fallen on the ground; such behaviour is mentioned in the Knock down article. However, I have not checked all the Jotun in different areas yet; it would be better to do before editing the article. --Slavic 16:56, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

They have Stun Immunity - there are means past it via Earthbind and a few others. Such NPCs don't, as you said, have kd animation though so they just freeze in place. Konig/talk 18:44, 13 July 2012 (UTC)