Talk:Moss Spider

Charming

Let me get this straight.. You can only acquire a moss spider from a random reward in PRE-searing (OR from 5 golden zoins). It's not worth making a new char to charm the pet in green hills country? -- Karasu (talk) 20:22, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, this pet isn't naturally charm-able anywhere in the wild. The pre-searing Moss Spiders still cannot be tamed. You can get it from the egg (which is a post-searing reward) or spend the 5zg. --Mystisteel 20:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

It is from POST-searing gifts of the traveler. Never in pre. Although the names are the same, they are not the same creature. All animals can be charmed. When they are not charmable, even having the same skin as charmable animals (like Ursula, the Stone Wolves or the Carrions) they are other types of creature, generally 'beasts'. Like the skills that destroy spirits can be used to determine if a creature is a spirit, the skill that carms animals can be used to determine if a creature is an animel. We should make separate articles: "Moss Spider (pre-Searing)" and "Moss Spider (animal)". MithTalk 21:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

is it worth it does the moss spider do anything spcl?70.6.171.230 22:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

For now, the only differences pets have is that some deal piercing damage (spiders, flying birds and reptiles) while the rest deal slashing damage, and that the bear has the mauling. MithTalk 22:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

HoM?

So does this have a normal pet statue? Daoshi 00:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Weirdly enough... no. Nachtkult 12:45, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

It seems that since there are already one spider, one phoenix and one moa, adding the other phoenix, the other spider and the white moa would be redundant since they look so alike. MithTalk 22:15, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Uh... I think it DOES have a NORMAL statue, just not a unique one. Rose Of Kali 17:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

It has a slightly diffrent model then the black widdow if you look at it though (mainly the eyes and abdomen: has 3 black slits for eyes insted of the 5 red ones and a rounded abdomen insted of pointed one like the widdow), guess they dont care too much to give it it's own statue though Criminal mastermind 00:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

So its harder to get than the black moa, yet doesn't get rare status.../doh! fail lol Nay the One and Only 08:24, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

It's not harder. It's just random. Once you get to Silfhalla, all that takes is luck so you get the version of the instance that spawns the flock. MithTalk 13:21, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

It's pretty damn hard if you're waiting for a flock of moss spiders though. | 72 | 15:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Split

I think the articles should be split. I can guarantee the way it currently is there will be many people thinking they can tame pre moss spiders instead of acquiring an egg. 122.111.96.166 16:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

It specifically says in the article that they cannot be charmed in Presearing. It is the same spider, no need for 2 articles. Rose Of Kali 08:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes creatures share names, but they are different. The differences sometimes are models, like with pre and post Ascalon Guards, but sometimes are species, professions, etc... Now, get a Charm Animal and find a wild Moss Spider to use it on. If the answer is "Target is not an animal" or something like that, they are not the same creature, they just share name and model. You don't even need to have the animal slot free, this works even if you have already charmed a pet. Yes, they may look similar, but you can't categorize the Spider Moss animal as arachnid, and can't categorize the Spider Moss arachnid as animal, the same way you can't categorize a pre Ascalon Guard as post NPC and can't categorize a pre Guard as post NPC. The split is necessary unless:

• You modify the NPC infobox to allow multiple races, which would be illogical just for this one creature.
• You just add manually a 'category: animal' tag, which would be a botch.
• We start considering 'animal' as a property like 'fleshy', so we can have a creature be both Animal and Beast or Animal and Arachnid. That would require first a test with Edge of Extinction, a moss spider and someplace with wild spiders, and then also with wolves and stone wolves. If Edge of Extinction works in both a charmed and wild creatures, then this would be true, otherwise animals are a separate species.
• We consider 'animal' as the affiliation of the charmable creatures, which could make sense since they are in the same allied party, but it's hard to test if it's true.

Regardless of what is chosen, this page can't be left as it is now to ensure correct categorization. MithTalk 04:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

That's exactly how it is, Mith. We are talking about two different spiders in one article. I'll add the split tag again. Other disambiguation proposals are welcome. Yet i think since the article that refers to the pet is more important, we should use the actual name without disambiguation identifier in brackets for the pet, and somemething like "Moss Spider (Ranger)" for the foe. —ZerphaThe Improver 07:30, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, the Pre spiders used to be charmable during the beta, so they used to be animals (at least that's what I've heard a few times now). It was probably changed because of the black widow, since it would devalue the widow, as they look almost the same. But anyway, as long as there is a disambig message at the top of "Moss Spider" article pointing to the other one, there can't be any harm in it. I do find it interesting that only the 2 spiders are considered "exotic" in the menagerie, while the phoenixes or the black moa (or even jingle bear) are not, unlike the HoM situation. Someone at Anet likes spiders too much, methinks, especially since they brought these back as pets again for no real reason, after all this time. Rose Of Kali 08:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

'Exotic' is Anet's way of saying 'from nowhere' or 'core' (although internally creatures in the realms of the gods are tagged as Prophcies, XD). Nicholas will undoubtedly appear in Cantha and Elona, and probably in the North too, thus making his gifts 'core'; and as wild charmable animals they would only appear in the Battle Isles. So the Moss Spider animal's world would be 'core' while the Moss Spider spider's world would be 'Prohecies (pre-Searing)'. MithTalk 12:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, the way I see it; about 8 years ago, before the Searing, Nicholas managed to get hold of a few rare Moss Spider eggs and somehow keep them unhatched for all this time. If you think of an egg as a baby, they're all "born" in the Kingdom of Ascalon - in its golden age. Then again, I do see your point - if thinking game technically. For me though; they are all the same animal/species, and all from the same place. Keep it in one article, and just make it clear(er) on how to obtain it as a pet. :) -- Titus The Third 22:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Edit: Wooops, was posting way too fast back there. If the Moss Spider (from eggs) are marked as "exotic", which they are, then you're absolutely right. It should actually be two different pages, no matter how you put it. My opinion about the pet itself though is still the same as above. -- Titus The Third 22:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I doubt a spider egg lasting for 8 years. It's more likely that, like with Bloody Dragon Swords acquired from Munne, he gets them from Shadow, the only known trainer of Moss Spiders ever in the game (although Carlotta is actually a ranger arachnid and never appears as an animal)

For now, there are two main differences, family and world.

• Moss Spider, the Core animal.
• Moss Spider, the Prophecies arachnid.

That should be enough to support the split. MithTalk 01:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

How will the alternate article be named? And which one gets to stay on this page? Rose Of Kali 05:05, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Most people will look for the animal when looking for 'Moss Spider' (probably after seeing another playing with one) so I'll go with "Moss Spider" and "Moss Spider (arachnid)". MithTalk 12:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

In that case, I'd make it Moss Spider (Pre-Searing). Rose Of Kali 18:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

That makes sense, and goes in the lines of the pre-Searing Ascalon Guard article. MithTalk 09:10, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Anomaly

I don't beleive there is such anomaly. In GW, creature attacks are determined with the 'weapons' they have, like with players, if the weapons are melee, they attack with melee range. Troll rangers have melee attacks, and Heket rangers can do both melee and ranged by switching their weapons, which are visible; Queen Aijundu is another example of NPC ranger with melee attacks. In this case, the Moss Spider arachnid version probably uses the same 'weapon' as the animal version (probably because they were intended to be charmed, who knows), so it attacks in melee range like Animals. MithTalk 22:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Troll's are primary warriors and secondary rangers while Heket use a thumper-like build and most wurms (unless using siege attacks) are meleers anyway - keeping in mind that there's only the boss aura to determine the Queen's primary profession which might be like Jormungand. 128.176.178.49 08:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

What about the Outcast Deathhand? Some of them wield swords and are necromancers.--MageMontu 08:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Lore-wise reasoned, they are cultists. 128.176.178.49 08:45, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I think just leave it be. Some people find this an anomany, others just find it to be a rare occurrence, which is not canon, anyway. Unless you want to make an "unusual behavior" template. Rose Of Kali 17:27, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't Carrion Feeder attack in melee too? That would be another ranger beast sharing appearance with an animal and attacking in melee, definitely removing the anomaly by happening this at least twice. MithTalk 13:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Once Upon a Time

I seem to remember a time, long ago, when moss spiders in Pre-Searing were charmable. Am I wrong? It was nothing special back then, of course, but now that they're non-charmable, it's different. Does anyone else remember this? I'm talking back in 2005 or so. If I'm right, what happened to moss spiders that had already been charmed? Were they replaced with the black widow or something? --RoyHarmon 16:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I think they were charmable during the beta. I've never seen one with a player in the past 4 years, so either they were replaced, removed, or extremely rare. I didn't even know they used to be charmable until the April update. Rose Of Kali 22:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, all I know is that all monsters that are 'non-charmable animals' that is, animals that had their type changed to other (generally beast) so they can't be charmed anymore, have a set profession (usually ranger) that appears instead 'Lvl' in their names. That also makes me think that not all monsters have set professions, and they just have attributes without actually being part of that profession. MithTalk 10:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I suppose maybe since they weren't hard to tame (like the bear) and were only level 2 (the Melandru's Stalker is level 5), there wasn't really any reason to tame them back then... So, probably, there weren't that many. Of those who had them before they were changed, some probably upgraded to something else without realizing their scarcity... If they weren't removed altogether, that is. If they were, I expect a lot of people may have been a little upset. I would guess they changed to the Underworld version, now that I think about it. --RoyHarmon 17:06, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I know this is super late, but yes. A long time ago the spiders were charmable in pre. That's the only reason i was able to have one, because i have a 6 year old character that got a moss spider in pre-searing. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.233.246.241 (talk • contribs) at 01:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC).

Spider Egg?

How Do you get the egg? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.4.73.223 (talk).

Text in different color (blue by default) are links. Click the Moss Spider Egg link to get info about it. That's how you use a wiki. MithTalk 23:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Getting one...

This is serously bugging me,ive got every pet in the menagiere exept moss spider and Rainbow Phionix... i need 10maxed titles (or all statues in HoM filled and 5 maxed titles)For phionix, And This moss spider egg from Nick...So far the egg is proving the hardest... :( im 3/5 statues down,2/5 titles maxed,the phionix is the eastest...

NOBODY SELLS THE EGGS Q_Q--Neil2250 20:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

ive seen several people selling them, the lowest i saw was about 40k, i believe..also, the 5 gold coins to get them isnt too hard to earn. just keep looking :) ПALANA 01:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't fill Valor just for the pet, unless you really want to fill it anyway. It's much cheaper and not that hard to get 5 more titles, especially with something like Protector/Guardian+Legendary, which gives you 7 already, then add some EotN rep titles and you're done. And yeah, Zaishen Coins are another relatively easy way. Rose Of Kali 01:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I received a moss spider egg on my first visit to Nicolas. It was my first character that I had created outside of pre-searing and I had just completed the quests that allowed me to get to that part of the map. I was even guided to the exact spot by the other member of my guild (the head of the guild, actually) so that I could complete the visit in the limited amount of time I had to play. I was just grateful to be visiting Nico, and I was so surprised to find that I received an egg. That was only last night. I now need to come up with a name for a character so I can have a moss spider as a familiar. --La Visiteuse 07:30, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I just got it with 5 Gold Zaishen coins. It doesn't take that much if you remember to pick Zaishen quests before doing the stuff, specially if you do PvP. MithTalk 14:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Attack Type has me mad

It is total BS that the stupid black widow gets to have attacks with piercing dmg but this guy has to do slashing. Totally pissed me off.Nay the One and Only 04:50, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

You're whining over that? Be glad we even got to have Moss as a pet. And if you don't like it, just dont use a Moss. Use your Black Widow. Pariahtalk 05:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Slashing damage is more useful in PvE. I don't see the problem. Vili 点 05:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Apparently this got blown more out of proportion than I intended. Yes Im glad we got a moss. Just most pets already do slashing and it would have been nice to get another piercing. Thats all Nay the One and Only 05:38, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

You already do piercing damage if you are a ranger using a bow. More variety in types of damage ensures more chances to deal damage to any enemy. Now, blunt damage. That would be nice to see in an animal. MithTalk 14:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah you got me there, blunt would be nice indeed Nay the One and Only 21:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Warthog. Rose Of Kali 00:50, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Getting stuck

I notice that my hero's moss spider gets stuck behind obstacles on the map a lot, more so (it seems to me) than other pets. Anyone else noticed this? Elwynd 18:42, 1 January 2012 (UTC)