Talk:Norn Hunting Party

i got 'Norn Hunting Party Rank 3' at 85 kills

I've gotten points bonuses from other Norns at the shrines within a map. The amount appears to scale up with the kill count starting at 20-25 kills, then increasing to 50 points, then 70 and going up to at least 80 points. I've also gotten Rank 2-4 from the Norn at shrines as well. Yukiko 06:00, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

If we can assume that all hunts work exactly the same, than the threshold for getting rank 4 at shrines would be 100. Got rank 4 with 109 killed enemies with the Ebon Vanguard.

Random Bonuses

I just added "Hunt Rampage" to the list of random bonuses. I'll keep on the lookout for new ones. Arcthemonkey 02:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if others noticed it but Hunt Rampage seem to be broken. When ever I have it the rank still increases by 1 instead of 2. It also seems to gainen a new rank in hunting party removes the rampage blessing.

I was being pretty darned watchful, and at rank 1 I, personally, indeed gain 2 points. I also got rank two while I had Hunt Rampage, shortly before I couldn't find anymore enemies and it wore off. Getting rank 2 didn't remove it, although I seem to remember getting 3 points per kill rather than 4. I'm going to try to see if I can duplicate this. Arcthemonkey 20:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately I too have been pretty watchful whenever I have come under the effects of Hunt Rampage (only in Drakkar Lake and Varajar Fells so far) and I must sadly report that it has never worked for me. I am supposed to be receiving double the reputation points per kill, but I am only receiving the base 1 from the Norn Hunting Party Blessing (Rank 1) and no more. It is definitely not working (unless of course I am completely missing something). Flake @ 203.213.7.130 23:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Didn't work for me either. Clement 12:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright, now that the preview is over, I don't think I'm gonna be able to look any deeper into this. That being said, I've got some inconsistant results. The first 2 or three times I got the hunt rampage, I was rank 1, and earning 2 points per kill as expected. However, a number of other times I was rank 2 when I got the hunt rampage, and was expecting 6 points per kill, since rank 2 yields a total of three points per kill on its own. However, I was getting 4 points per kill. Another time, I got rank 2 during a hunt rampage, and the same thing happened. I wonder if I'm only recieving double my rank 1 points. However, not that I've watched about 15 hunt rampages, I have to admit that it, at best, fails to work most of the time. I've recieved an apparent bonus maybe 5-6 of the times I've had the blessing. I've noted this in the notes section - if someone else wants to put it in a bug wrapper, feel free. Arcthemonkey 16:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

It may be just doubling the points from the original blessing, and the points from the higher rank are just being added on afterwards. Something more like: (2x1)+2, instead of 2x(1+2).Yukiko 21:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

With Rank 4 and rampage I was receiving 8 points per kill. --24.179.151.252 23:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

At this point, I think it's fair to say that if Hunt Rampage was broken before, it's fixed now. I'm removing the note. Arcthemonkey 21:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Specific point bonuses

At this point I see value in listing the specific amount of points gotten as a random bonus. I'm going through my screenshots to check all the ones I've gotten and will list them here. - BeX 07:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Kills	Points	Location
25	15	Ice Cliff Chasms
25	20	?
25	20	Drakkar Lake
25	10	Drakkar Lake
50	50	?
50	40	Bjora Marches
100	80	Bjora Marches
125	60	?

I'm not sure I'd call it random. It seems to scale with killcount, though not sure if it's a fixed scale or a certain range or dependent on zone or what.. I will mention that on one run I got 120, 130, and 140 on 275, 300, and 325 kills, respectively. - Tanetris 07:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually it seems you can get the second rank after 75 kills by talking to a shrine keeper and rank 3 after 125 kills. If you haven't gotten a new limit (ie above 75 or 125 etc) then you will just get some bonus points from the shrine keeper. As the bonus they give also scales with kills it seems best to visit them just after 75, 125, 175? and then visit any other keepers after clearing the map.

Defenitly both random and scaled. Got 140 points just above 200 kills. Backsword 09:46, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I got the following point bonuses at shrines in Drakkar Lake:

• 42 kills : 20 points *91 kills : 50 points *200 & 216 kills: 140 points

In Norrheart I recieved 140 points at only 166 kills,so I see it a sliding scale. This might also affect when the ranks are achievable as well, since I think I got to rank 4 in Ice Cliff Chasms.Yukiko 22:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

In my experience, rank 2 is fixed at 75 kills, no matter where you are. I haven't tried enough areas to say this with any certainty, but once I get 75 kills I always drop what I'm doing and go pick up my rank 2. Arcthemonkey 20:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Scratch that, I just hit rank 2 automatically at 50 kills in Jaga Moraine. Arcthemonkey 20:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I also just got rank 2 from a shrine person at 50 kills in Varajar Fells. - Tanetris 21:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Got rank 2 from a shrine at 50 kills and rank 3 at 100. It's taken more kills before to get those but the requirements seemed to go down over time. Scales with Norn rank perhaps? --Valshia 18:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Interesting theory, but I just got rank 2 at 50, rank 3 at 75, and rank 4 at 100 from shrines on Dwarven Raider, with only the first title of Dwarf track, and I can't imagine Dwarf and Norn bounties being that different... Unless it's a combination of zone (Sepulchre of Dagrimmar, for the record) and title, or something... Or maybe Dwarf and Norn bounties just do have entirely different scales. - Tanetris 21:17, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

NO, I've gotten rank4 (norn) with 100 kills. Backsword 23:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if this could have something to do with the fact that new ranks can, apparently, be awarded as random bonuses, as well as from shrines. So let's say for the sake of arguement that a shrine guy will give you rank 2 at 50 kills, but at 25 kills you got rank 2 as a random bonus. Would this make the shrine guy give you rank 3? This also makes me wonder about the behavior of the shrine guys themselves - often, when you talk to them, there will be a little bonus reputation point reward listed in green, in addition to the bonus you got for defeating them. So, could it be that a rank increase is, in fact, a random bonus possibly awarded at multiples of 25 kills in addition to being a random bonus awarded by the shrine keepers? I'm really confused at this point. Arcthemonkey 02:36, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I was just playing in Drakkar Lake and upon getting 50 kills went to shrine and got bonus rep. so went to next shrine and got my NHP rank 2. By 100 kills went to the next and got bonus and went to next one and got Rank 3. Yet again it was bunus and then Rank 4 by 137 kills. My current Norn Rank is rank 3 for extra info. Any similar experience or have people gotten Ranks 2 3 & 4 one after the other? Bluerider 208.103.246.51 18:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Rampage

I've been trying to verify if it indeed doubles all bonuses. It obviously doubles hunting party, and I've tested and confirmed it doubles shrine, boss, and the direct point rewards for 25 kills. I still have yet to test time and boss bounties, and I'm taking the word of a previous editor that the temporary hunt point bonuses are affected. --Thervold 06:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Research

Post-release research (Normal Mode)

Bonuses from kills

Kills	Rank	Result
25	1	10 rep
25	1	Hunt Rampage
25	1	20 rep
50	1	Strength of the Norn
75	1	35 rep
100	1	Hunt Rank Up
125	2	50 rep
150	2	Hunt Point Bonus (+6)
175	2	Hunt Rank Up
25	1	10 rep
50	1	40 rep
75	1	Hunt Rank Up
25	1	15
50	1	Strength of the Norn
25	1	Strength of the Norn
50	1	Hunt Rank Up
75	2	Hunt Rampage
25	1	15 rep
50	1	Hunt Rampage
75	1	35 rep
100	1	55 rep
125	1	Time Attack
150	1	70 rep
175	2	Hunt Rank Up
200	3	Boss Bounty
225	3	90 rep
250	3	Hunt Rampage
275	3	120 rep
300	3	110 rep
325	3	Boss Bounty
25	1	10 rep
50	1	Hunt Rank Up
25	1	15 rep
25	1	15 rep
25	1	20 rep
50	1	40 rep
75	1	40 rep
100	1	Hunt Rampage
25	1	Strength of the Norn

Bonuses from talking to Norn

Kills	Rank	Result
25	1	20 reputation
27	1	20 reputation
34	1	20 reputation
36	1	20 reputation
157	2	100 rep
164	3	Hunt Rank Up
164	3	100 rep
164	3	100 rep
164	3	100 rep
168	3	100 rep
184	4	100 rep
184	4	100 rep
75	2	40 rep
75	2	40 rep
55	1	Hunt Rank Up
85	2	40 rep
156	1	Hunt Rank Up
164	2	100 rep
164	2	100 rep
164	2	100 rep
164	2	100 rep
167	2	100 rep
175	3	100 rep
190	3	100 rep
259	3	100 rep
26	1	20 rep
34	1	20 rep
55	1	40 rep
28	1	20 rep
28	1	20 rep
28	1	20 rep
41	1	20 rep
27	1	20 rep
34	1	20 rep
113	1	Hunt Rank Up
116	2	60 rep
105	2	Hunt Rank Up

Boss bonus

Rank	Previous kills	Previous boss kills	Other blessings	Reputation
1	~10	0	None	51
3	~330	1	Boss Bounty	404
3	~350	2	Boss Bounty	404
3	~375	3	Hunt Rampage	608
3	~380	4	None	304
3	~380	5	None	304
3	~380	6	None	304
3	~380	7	None	304
1	~55	0	None	101
1	~85	1	None	101
1	~105	2	None	151
1	~20	0	None	51
1	~40	1	None	51

Pre-release research

Autobonus

Kills	Rank	Result
50	1	Rampage
125	3	Hunt bonus:+5 60s
150	3	Hunt rank up
175	1	Strength of the Norn
200	4	Rampage
75	2	30
100	3	Strength of the Norn
150	4	90
175	4	Boss bounty 200 5m
200	4	120
225	4	Time attack 10 60s
250	4	150
275	4	140
300	4	150
325	4	140
75	2	40

Norn hunter

Kills	Rank	Result
59	2	50
96	2	Hunt rank up
101	3	Hunt rank up
170	4	140
188	4	140
200	4	140
265	4	140
60	1	Hunt rank up
73	2	50

Gradient

I disagree with having a gradient listing on this page, but did not want to just revert. First, the gradient is wrong. It would be 1...5. Second (and this may be nitpicking), Norn Hunting Party is only +1 rep per kill (in normal mode). Ranks 2 through 4 add to that, but do not change Norn Hunting Party. They are bonus blessings, not the same thing. Mohnzh say what? 14:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

boss bounty

boss bounty is 10 minuates +300 --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:76.118.52.23 (talk).

Only in hard mode, I've updated the page. -- Gordon Ecker 20:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Most efficient earning

Forgive my ignorance.

If I kill 50 creatures, I will have 50 points. If I then go get a shrine blessing, I will get another 40 point bonus, for a total of 90 points.

If I kill 25 creatures, then get the shrine bonus (20 points and +2 per kill), then kill 25 more (75 points) I will have earned a total of 120.

But according to the norn rep farming guide: "Don't collect additional shrine blessings until you have reached 150+ kills (the optimum points)"

What am I missing here?

Eerie Moss 11:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

We don't have enough data on the relative frequency of hunt rank up and reputation to determine whether it's profitable on average to go to the shrines early. -- Gordon Ecker 22:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)