Talk:Saul D'Alessio

If

GW didn't have such horrible disproposional(?) bodies, I'd totally hit that.

Source?

Where does this come from? Anon

I'd have to guess the Prophecies manual. There's a little icon of a page in the upper right corner of the screen the links to the FTP for the manual that a page quotes from when there's content from an ANet manual. - HeWhoIsPale 14:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Betrayal

Spoiler alert: The following text contains spoilers relating to the story of Prophecies.

Maybe some sort of note should be added relating to his betrayal at the hands of Mercia, Optimus and Lazarus? Currently the article says that he was killed in a Charr ambush, which we now know not to be true... --77.98.23.140 00:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Note added. --Curse You 06:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Where are they now?

So any ideas to where he could be? be as imaginative as you want (but stay within' the boundrys Zachariah Zuan 22:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Saul is probably dead by now. Most likely he was a Chosen, and since the Mursaat saw he was no longer useful (i.e., he would have denounced his faith), they most likely killed him on a Bloodstone. -- Azazel The Assassin\talk 20:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Is there any evidence to support that he was Chosen? He saw the Mursaat but note that he found them in their home city, and they likely weren't worried about being seen there so they weren't "cloaking" themselves. Their invisibility is an active ability which they turn on and off, as non-Chosen are said to have seen them sometimes. And if all they cared about was making sure he couldn't denounce his faith than they would have simply killed him along with the rest that were there who weren't faithful enough. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:54, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

1) Nothing says he was chosen except for a possibility that being chosen means having greater magical potential. 2) If they killed him on the spot the three they left would of denounced their faith - with no leaders the WM wouldn't have likely prospered, I would think (or at least the train of thought goes - no headless chicken lasts long). -- Konig/talk 21:17, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

The Mursaat did say that their help was coming at a price. So perhaps Dorian and the rest would have seen Saul's death as that price that had to be payed. They were left alive in the first place because the Mursaat recognized them as suitable puppets that didn't really pose a threat. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:52, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Or maybe... Maybe Saul was about to denounce his faith after the Mursaat killed all his men, so Dorian killed him, making up the story of the Mursaat taking him in order to spread the faith of the White Mantle and to gain more support. Seems as likely as any, given that Dorian is pretty ruthless in his leading, and with Saul dead, he had a martyr to rally Kryta behind. ~Farlo Talk 19:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking we can probably trust the mission's cutscene to be reasonably accurate as to what happened. I like how they leave Saul's fate as a loose end, though; it's good fodder for speculation among the players. :P – NuclearDuckie 16:35, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I like to think (not in a weird way - Saul was pretty cool all things considering!) that the Mursaat kept Saul in some sort of deep-freeze storage locker for their return in GW2. Hopefully in a different continent seeing as Tyria didn't work out all that well for them. I can only imagine that he would return as some sort of brain-dead Mursaat worshipping Zombie (i.e. Dungeon Boss) but hopefully with the option to restore him to his former self - though I also imagine that he would pray for death much like Rurik seeing as he would be 250 years(or so) out of time. Shame really - I would have liked to help him, though death(and glory in UW/HoH would be nice ^^) would probably be the best thing for him. Kilraanon 02:14, 05 December 2010 (UTC)

I find it highly unlikely that Saul would of been left alive in any form - before being taken, as per Rise of the White Mantle and Saul's Story, Saul lost his faith in the mursaat. He most likely was killed by the mursaat - just not in front of Dorian and co. so that they don't lose faith. -- Konig/talk 07:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

As per above, he wa probably sacrificed at the bloodstone, if I remember correctly, the mursaat only used the chosen because they knew that some chosen would be their downfall, and they figured they would kill (no pun intended) two birds with one stone (again no pun intended)Indigo121 03:10, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Castigation Signet and Unnatural Signet

He has a unique version of these, probably so they are not affected by various buffs and nerfs.

• Castigation can easily be verified: it still has a 15-s recharge in his bar.
• Unnatural, while untouched, has a different name in some localizations of the game, indicating that it is a separate skill (and that those who translate the game don't have to know it first).

A page should be created for these, although I can't be bothered to do it now. Ni Di 16:25, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

• • Nevermind, they already exist, I will fix the links. Ni Di 10:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Saul in the Bible

Before I put anything up in the article and stir a religious flamewar, I wanted to ask here. I'm not much of a religious person, but I stumbled into a story online about some Israeli King Saul who is mentioned in the Bible who turned to a spirit medium (thus asking help from a "false god") before a big battle. He died in the subsequent battle for angering God by turning to "witchcraft" for help. Sounds a little too familiar if you ask me. Don't have a Bible and never read one to verify this, so anyone else feel free to do it. The website just referenced some "1 Samuel 28." Rose Of Kali 02:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Samuel Chapter I, verse 28, I'm assuming. I'll check on it. Taka Ragranok 18:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

What Island was Saul taken to?

In-game, it said that he was taken to an island far away, never to be seen or heard from again. Anyone know the name? Taka Ragranok 18:06, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Back to the Isle of Janthir? Rose Of Kali 18:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I think Ragranok is thinking of a WM's line saying that Saul traveled to an island to get the Eye of Janthir. Nothing states Saul was taken to an island. In fact, except in the BMP, everything says Saul died - and the BMP doesn't hint on where Saul was taken. -- Konig/talk 21:14, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I might be thinking of Janthir…or of there capitol city. Who knows. And is there any indication as to where the Mursaat's capital is? Taka Ragranok 13:41, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

According to the Guild Wars Manuscripts, the Mursaat have a big capital near the Ullen River. I quote: "(...)On the fourth day, delirious with hunger, Saul emerged from the trees to see what he thought was a hallucination-- a city of massive towers reaching into the heavens. The architecture was astounding, and the creatures who lived here were unlike any he had ever seen.(...)" -- Large 14:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't say Ullen River. Even if you take Old Joness' dialogue, it doesn't mean the mursaat are there. All that we know is that this location - which may be a simplistic military fort and not a capital or a city - is in a forest that is 3 weeks riding and 4 days walking away from wherever in Kryta Saul was judged - most likely to be around Beetletun and Loamhurst (Divinity's Coast) as it says local authorities. If the "riding" was a boat, then they could literally be anyways, even not on Tyria (the continent). If the riding was a wagon, then it is either the Maguuma or the forest north of Kryta. But nothing says that the mursaat have a "big capital" near the Ullen River. It doesn't even state it is in the Maguuma Jungle. That all is just player speculation. -- Konig/talk 23:08, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Or maybe... Maybe Saul was about to denounce their faith after the Mursaat killed them all, so Dorian killed him to protect the White Mantle, making up the story in order to spread the faith in them and to gain more support. Seems as likely as any, given that Dorian is pretty ruthless in his leading. ~Farlo Talk 19:18, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

The BMP shows that the mursaat took Saul. Where is unknown, but Saul did lose faith in the mursaat, which is probably why they took him. He's probably dead. -- Konig/talk 07:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)