Talk:Zaishen Coin/Collector overview

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For the sake of crunching numbers, I thought I would do a little diagram on how much value Copper Z-Coins have for certain items.

Item Cost Buy Value Sell Value BV/CZ-Coin SV/CZ-Coin
Scroll of Adventurer's Insight.png Scroll of Adventurer's Insight 30 Copper Zaishen Coin 10 Gold 200 Gold 100 Gold 6.3 Gold 3 Gold
Scroll of Rampager's Insight.png Scroll of Rampager's Insight 35 Copper Zaishen Coin 10 Gold 250 Gold 125 Gold 6.9 Gold 3.3 Gold
Scroll of Hunter's Insight.png Scroll of Hunter's Insight 40 Copper Zaishen Coin 10 Gold 300 Gold 150 Gold 7.3 Gold 3.5 Gold
Passage Scroll to the Deep.png Passage Scroll to the Deep 50 Copper Zaishen Coin 10 Gold ~200 Gold ~100 Gold ~3.8 Gold ~1.8 Gold
Passage Scroll to Urgoz's Warren.png Passage Scroll to Urgoz's Warren 50 Copper Zaishen Coin 10 Gold ~200 Gold ~100 Gold ~3.8 Gold ~1.8 Gold
Crème Brûlée.png Crème Brûlée 60 Copper Zaishen Coin 10 Gold ~600 Gold ~300 Gold ~9.8 Gold ~4.8 Gold
Flask of Firewater.png Flask of Firewater 60 Copper Zaishen Coin 10 Gold ~600 Gold ~300 Gold ~9.8 Gold ~4.8 Gold
Superior Identification Kit.png Superior Identification Kit 80 Copper Zaishen Coin 10 Gold 500 Gold 250 Gold 6.1 Gold 3 Gold
Scroll of Slayer's Insight.png Scroll of Slayer's Insight 100 Copper Zaishen Coin 70 Gold ~800 Gold ~400 Gold ~7.3 Gold ~3.3 Gold
Passage Scroll to the Fissure of Woe.png Passage Scroll to the Fissure of Woe 150 Copper Zaishen Coin 80 Gold ~1000 Gold ~500 Gold ~6.1 Gold ~2.8 Gold
Scroll of Berserker's Insight.png Scroll of Berserker's Insight 150 Copper Zaishen Coin 80 Gold ~800 Gold ~400 Gold ~4.8 Gold ~2.1 Gold
Lockpick.png Lockpick 200 Copper Zaishen Coin 90 Gold 1500 Gold 750 Gold 7.1 Gold 3.3 Gold
Small Equipment Pack.png Small Equipment Pack 250 Copper Zaishen Coin 100 Gold 2500 Gold 1250 Gold 9.6 Gold 4.6 Gold
Superior Salvage Kit.png Superior Salvage Kit 250 Copper Zaishen Coin 100 Gold 2000 Gold 1000 Gold 7.6 Gold 3.6 Gold

Buy Value is what it (approximately) costs to buy the item at a Merchant or vendor. Sell Value is how much they'll give you for said item. BV/CZ-Coin is simply the Buy Value per Copper Zaishen Coin. SV/CZ-Coin is similar. Keep in mind that BV/CZ-Coin is the important value if you are intending to buy the item and use it. SV/CZ-Coin is important if you're buying the item to sell elsewhere.

BV/CZ-Coin = ( Buy Value - Gold Cost ) / Zaishen Coin Cost SV/CZ-Coin = ( Sell Value - Gold Cost ) / Zaishen Coin Cost

Certain items were included ( Fissure scrolls, Urgoz/Deep scrolls, etc. ) or excluded ( Scroll of Hero's Insight, Underworld, etc. ) based upon whether the merchant was selling them at their lowest values, and therefore are somewhat fixed. Items like the Creme and Firewater were included and a cost was estimated based on similar items being sold at certain prices ( Sweets and Drunkard points were both evaluated at 200 Gold for the Buy price per point, and 100 Gold for the Sell price per point). Party Animal items were not included, as I don't remember there being any merchant in the game that sells items granting those points supplied in infinite amount at a fixed cost.

Small Equipment Packs are the best thing to spend your money on to easily turn your CZ-Coins into cash quickly, as you can sell those to the merchant. Cremes and Firewater will net you a slightly higher value per coin, and the value you should get per coin will be somewhere between 9.8 and 4.8, depending on what the market price is. These items are also the best options for earning the most value for your coins.

If we hold this theory about the most value we can count on getting out of our coins, we can make the following assumptions about prices of items that can't be found directly in merchants nor in any indirect manner (with all assumed BV/CZ-Coin and SV/CZ-Coin being 9.8 and 4.8, respectively):

Item Cost Buy Value Sell Value
Bottle Rocket.png Bottle Rocket 30 Copper Zaishen Coin 10 Gold 305 Gold 155 Gold
Champagne Popper.png Champagne Popper 30 Copper Zaishen Coin 10 Gold 305 Gold 155 Gold
Sparkler.png Sparkler 30 Copper Zaishen Coin 10 Gold 305 Gold 155 Gold
Crate of Fireworks.png Crate of Fireworks 90 Copper Zaishen Coin 10 Gold 895 Gold 445 Gold
Flame of Balthazar.png Flame of Balthazar 100 Copper Zaishen Coin 70 Gold 1 Platinum 53 Gold 553 Gold
Zaishen Tonic.png Zaishen Tonic 100 Copper Zaishen Coin 70 Gold 1 Platinum 53 Gold 553 Gold
Monk Tome.png <Profession> Tome 100 Copper Zaishen Coin 70 Gold 1 Platinum 53 Gold 553 Gold
Passage Scroll to the Underworld.png Passage Scroll to the Underworld 150 Copper Zaishen Coin 80 Gold 1 Platinum 555 Gold 805 Gold
Perfect Salvage Kit.png Perfect Salvage Kit 150 Copper Zaishen Coin 80 Gold 1 Platinum 555 Gold 805 Gold
Scroll of Hero's Insight.png Scroll of Hero's Insight 200 Copper Zaishen Coin 90 Gold 2 Platinum 57 Gold 1 Platinum 57 Gold
Zaishen Summoning Stone.png Zaishen Summoning Stone 250 Copper Zaishen Coin 100 Gold 2 Platinum 558 Gold 1 Platinum 308 Gold
Light Equipment Pack.png Light Equipment Pack 500 Copper Zaishen Coin 250 Gold 5 Platinum 167 Gold 2 Platinum 667 Gold
Zaishen Key.png Zaishen Key 500 Copper Zaishen Coin 250 Gold 5 Platinum 167 Gold 2 Platinum 667 Gold
Elite Monk Tome.png Elite <Profession> Tome 1000 Copper Zaishen Coin 400 Gold 10 Platinum 223 Gold 5 Platinum 233 Gold
Large Equipment Pack.png Large Equipment Pack 2500 Copper Zaishen Coin 850 Gold 25 Platinum 433 Gold 12 Platinum 933 Gold
Heavy Equipment Pack.png Heavy Equipment Pack 7500 Copper Zaishen Coin 2 Platinum 350 Gold 76 Platinum 100 Gold 38 Platinum 600 Gold
Everlasting Crate of Fireworks.png Everlasting Crate of Fireworks 25000 Copper Zaishen Coin 7 Platinum 600 Gold 253 Platinum 433 Gold 128 Platinum 433 Gold

What exactly does this tell us? Let's assume for a moment that all Z-Coins could be traded. If such was the case, then according to these numbers, a person would never want to use their Z-Coins to acquire the listed items unless their Buy or Sell values were greater than or equal to what they are estimated to be here. To do so otherwise would mean that they would be losing value on their Z-Coins. However, it is not forseeable that ANet would change the system to allow Z-Coins to be traded, and so these prices can only be seen as estimations for the minimum value an item must be for a person to consider using Z-Coins for it. These estimations end up being very lose in particular for items that are exclusive to the Z-Coin system, such as the higher-tier Equipment Packs or new Zaishen items.

Ultimately, what these calculations can serve to be a resource in the argument as to whether the rewards for the Z-Coin system are too expensive or not. By comparing these estimated values to one another, people can decide whether certain items deserve to be made cheaper or more expensive. 130.101.94.106 02:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Update.[edit]

Needs to be updated. — Raine Valen User Raine R.gif 4:18, 3 Jun 2011 (UTC)

If you could give me a hand with putting in the missing information (that I do not know how to calculate) that'd be wonderful. Don't how to sign. Sierra Invenio

Put in the gold costs for the Envoy Weapons. Maybe you should spend less time playing guild wars and more time redoing elementary school math :P Nate58dawg 19:21, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Ouch bro. I'm 16. I'm unaware of how to get the unit costs for the crafters from just that table, I had forgotten to come back to this when I'd returned from vacation and been able to actually go online. Sierra Invenio 08:23, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

See also How much are zoins worth?Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 08:49, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Merge[edit]

Let's merge, as suggested. (Ie this page with Zaishen_Coin. Elwynd 09:50, 23 June 2012 (UTC)