User:Loggy/WiK

WiK bar musings, from soloing many of these enemies.

Maybe it's just me, but certain bars seem more common in some areas than others.

Threat: Resurrection

Resurrection loops can be annoyingly difficult to break alone.

White Mantle

• White Mantle Knight - Steady Stance has Resurrection Signet
• / White Mantle Zealot (paragon) - Soldier's Stance has Signet of Return. Easily identifiable by frequently using Anthem of Flame
• / White Mantle Zealot - Eviscerate has Vengeance. This bar gives itself away with Bane Signet and Castigation Signet
• White Mantle Scout - Practiced Stance has Resurrection Chant. Easily identified by use of elite and Choking Gas
• White Mantle Ritualist - Spoil Victor has Death Pact Signet. Shadow Strike and Life Siphon also help identify this
• White Mantle Ritualist (ritualist) - Weapon of Remedy has Flesh of My Flesh. This bar also has shouts like "Stand Your Ground!" and drops Vocal was Sogolons a lot.
• White Mantle Ritualist (ritualist) - Signet of Spirits has Lively Was Naomei. This one isn't commonly a problem though, as the AI seems to drop the ashes too far away to do anything most times.
• White Mantle Sycophant - Word of Healing has Resurrection Chant. It's the healer type, or the one that uses Kitah's Burden. Needs identifying quickly to avoid snare and death.
• White Mantle Adherent - Unsteady Ground has Renew Life. This is easy enough to identify, but it also has Ward of Stability (but NOT Ward of Weakness!)
• White Mantle Champion - Cautery Signet has Signet of Return. This bar is the one with Splinter Weapon which it uses frequently, and also Anthem of Disruption

Peacekeeper

• Peacekeeper Enforcer - Backbreaker has Death Pact Signet. This is hard to identify. I think (but am not confident) that this bar carries Tiger Stance which is not noted on the wiki. Seeing Overbearing Smash is also a giveaway, but otherwise this can be hard to identify except by eliminating all the others - eg no use of Aftershock, not enchanted with Intimidating Aura, not showing Dwarven Battle Stance
• Peacekeeper Goon - Soldier's Stance and Battle Rage both carry Resurrection Signet. This is also hard to identify unambiguously. Notably, the enchanted ones (Conjure Lightning) and the ones with Warmonger's Weapon do not have resurrection
• Peacekeeper Marksman - Expert's Dexterity has Resurrection Signet
• Charming Peacekeeper - Energy Drain has Vengeance. This is the bar that tries to cover the world in Conjure Phantasm
• Charming Peacekeeper - Keystone Signet has Light of Dwayna. It's also the only possible Charming Peacekeeper bar that has any signets at all.
• Silent Peacekeeper - "Dagger Mastery" uses Conjure Lightning and has Resurrection Signet
• Peacekeeper Mentor - Soldier's Fury has "We Shall Return!". This bar enchants itself with Conjure Lightning and frequently uses Anthem of Weariness
• Peacekeeper Mentor - "The Power Is Yours!" has Signet of Return. It doesn't do much else except Aggressive Refrain and other echoes that aren't Blazing Finale.
• Peacekeeper Sibyl - Onslaught has Death Pact Signet. Easy enough to spot Onslaught, it makes it run faster than the others.

Threat: Snare

Being snared is frequently death. Not being able to run away is introduces huge survivability problems. Non-melee KDs can also be an issue occasionally.

Horrible Tier

Very difficult to do anything about, interrupts or not.

• White Mantle Sycophant - Crippling Anguish - This bar uses Mantra of Persistence periodically out of combat. In normal mode, it has considerable Fast Casting investment that makes reacting to this really long high degeneration snare pretty much impossible, putting it at the top of the list.
• White Mantle Zealot - "You're All Alone!" - Any Zealot that wields a sword will have this skill. It can be cheesed somewhat successfully with a minipet, but remains a big threat. It has "None Shall Pass!" too, which doesn't help matters.
• White Mantle Scout - Strike as One - This bar is not normally very threatening, but it can rarely randomly equip a bow (which they seem to always drop?). If you manage to deal with a group and notice that one pulled out a bow and started shooting you and successfully dodge every shot to avoid cripple, you are a better player than I. Without the random bow, this is Low Tier as you have to let him run up and hit you with a scythe...

Moderate Tier

• White Mantle Scout - Melandru's Shot - Don't get hit, or at least not while moving, and hope a Fanatic doesn't Gale you into this. Anthem of Weariness and Apply Poison are giveaways of this bar.
• White Mantle Enforcer - Temple Strike - This bar tends to open combat with Death's Charge into Leaping Mantis Sting. Seems best just to stand still and don't get crippled.
• White Mantle Enforcer - Beguiling Haze - This bar tends to open with Beguiling Haze into Dancing Daggers. If any of those hit, it can then use Entangling Asp and/or Mantis Touch, which is a very good way to get killed.

Low Tier, providing interrupts

These things are (at least in Normal Mode) not too hard to interrupt. Providing you recognise that they are a threat before they happen.

• White Mantle Fanatic - Lingering Curse - has Ethereal Burden. This is the bar that likes Defile Defenses or Ulcerous Lungs.
• White Mantle Sycophant - Word of Healing - has Kitah's Burden. This bar is a high priority anyway because of healing output and resurrection, and this is really just an extra reason on top to pay attention to Sycophants.
• White Mantle Adherent - Water Trident - This bar has Shard Storm as well. While it's not too hard to dodge all the projectiles, getting knocked down by Trident can cause problems.
• White Mantle Adherent - Shatterstone - This has Winter's Embrace, which it doesn't use much but can be problematic
• White Mantle Savant - Savannah Heat - This has Deep Freeze, easy enough to interrupt but can quite easily hit you as well when aimed at "helper" NPCs.
• White Mantle Fanatic - Icy Veins - This has Gale, which isn't too bad on its own, but being knocked down can lead to other things snaring you. Especially melshot.
• Charming Peacekeeper - Shared Burden - The elite is the snare here. In Normal Mode, this bar comes with essentially no Fast Casting, making interrupting it not too hard. If you get hit, enjoy 20 seconds of slowness, though.
• Peacekeeper Firebrand - Mind Blast - This has Ice Spikes and uses it somewhat frequently.
• Peacekeeper Firebrand - Searing Flames - This has Earthen Shackles and uses it occasionally.
• Peacekeeper Firebrand - Master of Magic - This has Slippery Ground and uses it quite a lot.
• Silent Peacekeeper - Seeping Wound - This is the spear throwing version. Seeping Wound does a lot of damage and is technically a snare, but it has a short range. This bar also tries Barbed Spear into Maiming Spear. Don't get hit by any of the attack skills and it can't snare you.

Low Tier

Don't stand too close and none of this matters. Or it's not really not very likely to happen to you.

• White Mantle Devotee - Reaper's Sweep - The elite technically cripples but you don't want to stand still to see that. The bigger threat in my experience Aura of Thorns and Death's Charge being used just as it ends...
• White Mantle Knight - Hundred Blades - has Frozen Burst, don't stand too close. This is the bar that uses Conjure Frost. If you run away it usually misses anyway.
• Peacekeeper Enforcer - Earth Shaker - This is the Aftershock bar. It has "None Shall Pass!" which has a bit of a bigger reach than just melee.
• Peacekeeper Clairvoyant - Spirit Light Weapon - This bar does have Binding Chains but it doesn't like to use it except on extremely rare occasions, possibly requiring multiple targets. It's also technically a healing bar, though keeping the elite down means it doesn't really do anything.

Melee Tier

These require literal melee attacks to do anything to you.

• White Mantle Knight - Crippling Slash - (usualy see Endure Pain or "I Will Avenge You!" first)
• White Mantle Knight - Steady Stance - has Desperation Blow, can RNG cripple
• Peacekeeper Goon - Soldier's Stance - can technically Axe Rake if it gets DW on you first
• Peacekeeper Huntsman - Enraged Lunge - the drake is fast and the master has Pounce. This is also one of the bars where the pet will not get resurrected. It's easily identified as any Huntsman holding a bow will have this bar.
• Peacekeeper Sibyl - Avatar of Grenth - has Crippling Victory.

Non-resurrecting Pets

Not every pet bar has Comfort Animal. Every single bar that involves a White Tiger can resurrect their pet, but every single Peacekeeper bar except the Peacekeeper Huntsman with Heal as One cannot resurrect their pet. The Heal as One bar is the only Huntsman bar that will wield a spear.

List of Non-weapon droppers

Peacekeeper Huntsman, Peacekeeper Marksman, Peacekeeper Clairvoyant, Peacekeeper Mentor

White Mantle Adherent, White Mantle Savant, White Mantle Abbot

Bar Distribution

This is all NM. If I'm not confident of what an enemy is using I simply won't log it. Areas will not be full clears. I'm also not counting boss kills for obvious reasons. I am including "fixed" spawns that always seem to be there, eg the group of four Mentors with "The Power is Yours" in the camp in Nebo Terrace. Not only do I not do full clears and can't note bars I didn't remember or see use any skills, some groups are just not worth the time for me to actually kill because of crazy amounts of resurrection or multiple copies of the more threatning bars. My WiK state for all of this should be that I have accepted but not completed The Battle for Lion's Arch.

HM solo is I think possible, but I don't know if it's really worth doing given how difficult even NM can be, and there is seemingly no data on green drop rates, though they are certainly abysmal in NM. My guess is somewhere in the region of 1/200 to 1/400 at the moment. I got 11 green weapons and 0 minipets before doing any of this recording. Drop rates are not going to be accurate for most areas: the helper foes seem to be able to take loot if you fail to do enough damage to enemies before they kill them.

The "helper" NPCs are braindead and I really wish you could turn them off. They're REALLY annoying and have got me killed more times than I can remember, and the vast majority of them do nothing except be actively detrimental anyway. Even Nola, the most useful of the bunch, deciding to Death Nova you halts your natural health regeneration (plus it gets stripped).

Black Curtain

Estimated per map: 28 Mantle, 100 Peacekeeper

The Black Curtain (Weapons: 1)

Knight x31 Zealot x19 Scout x17 Seeker x33 Abbot x6 Priest x30 Fanatic x0 Ritualist x12 x8 x12 x4 x7 x0 x8 x0 x11 x5 x0 x0 x12 x18 x0 x15 x0 x0 x0 x6 x0 x0 x7 x12 x11 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x8 x0 x0 x4 Sycophant x30 Adherent x4 Savant x5 Enforcer x2 Ritualist x25 Champion x33 Devotee x5 x6 x8 x7 x9 x0 x0 x0 x0 x4 x0 x0 x0 x5 x0 x0 x0 x2 x0 x0 x4 x0 x0 x13 x8 x0 x5 x11 x17 x0 x0 x0 x0 x5 Enforcer x137 Goon x0 Huntsman x29 Marksman x152 Divine x150 Grim x99 Charming x87 Firebrand x143 Silent x20 Clairvoyant x0 Mentor x0 Sibyl x43 x137 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x11 x13 x5 x17 x10 x125 x0 x24 x49 x43 x34 x0 x0 x99 x26 x26 x24 x11 x0 x0 x0 x143 x0 x7 x11 x2 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x20 x11 x12 Total Kills: 1112 Mantle Kills: 252 Peacekeeper Kills: 860 Mantle Weapon Kills: 237 Peacekeeper Weapon Kills: 679 Mantle Weapons: 0 Peacekeeper Weapons: 1

Black Curtain Hypotheses

• Firebrands are only Mind Blast
• Marksmen are only Barrage except for the two popups by Cursed Lands
• Mentors, Goons, Clairvoyants do not spawn
• Silent spawn only in the two popups by Cursed Lands
• Enforcers are only Earth Shaker. Greves the Overbearing's little event may spawn three with Forceful Blow
• Grim are only Aura of the Lich

D'Alessio Seaboard

Expected spawns per map: 160 Mantle.

D'Alessio Seaboard (Weapons: 6)

Knight x124 Zealot x98 Scout x119 Seeker x138 Abbot x56 Priest x59 Fanatic x79 Ritualist x51 x17 x47 x32 x28 x23 x26 x21 x28 x24 x21 x40 x34 x36 x38 x33 x31 x0 x13 x15 x19 x9 x20 x11 x18 x10 x19 x17 x22 x21 x10 x8 x12 x21 Sycophant x129 Adherent x75 Savant x69 Enforcer x106 Ritualist x89 Champion x116 Devotee x93 x23 x25 x18 x16 x15 x32 x12 x24 x16 x23 x23 x13 x13 x20 x21 x14 x28 x26 x17 x6 x19 x19 x12 x13 x20 x11 x40 x25 x40 x26 x20 x23 x24 Total Kills: 1401 Mantle Kills: 1401 Peacekeeper Kills: 0 Mantle Weapon Kills: 1201 Peacekeeper Weapon Kills: 0 Mantle Weapons: 6 Peacekeeper Weapons: 0

Divinity Coast

This area kinda sucks. The groups are very large (mostly 6 foes), almost like it's 8p balanced due to access from ToA... but then Black Curtain is super easy? They also overlap quite a lot. Anyway, this area seems to produce a large amount of problematic resurrection chains (We Shall Return + Vengeance or Mantle garbage like three copies of Signet of Return, both with monks). Or maybe it's the really long walk back from resurrection that somehow feels worse than the other mission map explorables thanks to Loose Magic and spawning an extra compass or so away.

I split this in half, because doing the whole area at once is probably not something I want to do in the future, and the east/west split is mostly (but not entirely) between Peacekeepers and Mantle.

West: 21 Mantle, 86 Peacekeeper

East: 110 Mantle, 12 Peacekeeper

Divinity Coast West

Knight x4 Zealot x3 Scout x1 Seeker x0 Abbot x2 Priest x3 Fanatic x9 Ritualist x2 x2 x1 x1 x0 x1 x0 x0 x2 x0 x0 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x2 x0 x0 x0 x2 x1 x4 x3 x0 x2 x1 x0 x0 x1 Sycophant x9 Adherent x7 Savant x6 Enforcer x0 Ritualist x4 Champion x4 Devotee x2 x1 x2 x2 x0 x1 x3 x3 x2 x2 x0 x1 x0 x4 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x1 x2 x0 x0 x1 x0 x2 x0 x2 x0 x1 x1 x0 Enforcer x30 Goon x22 Huntsman x8 Marksman x23 Divine x31 Grim x22 Charming x14 Firebrand x31 Silent x25 Clairvoyant x29 Mentor x22 Sibyl x11 x7 x7 x8 x8 x6 x7 x5 x4 x2 x6 x0 x9 x4 x7 x3 x7 x7 x9 x8 x8 x5 x9 x4 x4 x3 x3 x5 x15 x4 x7 x10 x4 x6 x5 x5 x4 x6 x14 x5 x11 x6 x0 x4 x1 x6 Total Kills: 324 Mantle Kills: 56 Peacekeeper Kills: 268 Mantle Weapon Kills: 41 Peacekeeper Weapon Kills: 186 Mantle Weapons: 0 Peacekeeper Weapons: 0

Divinity Coast East

Knight x40 Zealot x13 Scout x18 Seeker x19 Abbot x3 Priest x9 Fanatic x10 Ritualist x12 x17 x8 x8 x7 x4 x1 x2 x6 x4 x3 x4 x7 x3 x3 x8 x5 x0 x1 x0 x0 x2 x3 x2 x2 x2 x1 x2 x5 x2 x3 x3 x4 x2 Sycophant x15 Adherent x14 Savant x10 Enforcer x13 Ritualist x11 Champion x24 Devotee x14 x2 x4 x3 x0 x1 x5 x3 x4 x4 x3 x6 x2 x1 x1 x3 x2 x1 x5 x2 x3 x2 x1 x2 x1 x2 x4 x7 x7 x6 x2 x4 x6 x2 Enforcer x0 Goon x0 Huntsman x0 Marksman x2 Divine x4 Grim x7 Charming x4 Firebrand x0 Silent x2 Clairvoyant x0 Mentor x2 Sibyl x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x2 x0 x0 x0 x1 x1 x0 x2 x2 x2 x3 x2 x0 x0 x2 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x2 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x1 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 Total Kills: 246 Mantle Kills: 225 Peacekeeper Kills: 21 Mantle Weapon Kills: 198 Peacekeeper Weapon Kills: 17 Mantle Weapons: 0 Peacekeeper Weapons: 0

Kessex Peak

Expected spawns per map: 40 Mantle, 60 Peacekeepers

The Peacekeepers look like they might use the same spawning logic as in The Black Curtain.

Kessex Peak (Weapons: 3)

Knight x24 Zealot x18 Scout x37 Seeker x16 Abbot x0 Priest x26 Fanatic x21 Ritualist x21 x12 x1 x0 x11 x2 x1 x0 x15 x14 x14 x9 x0 x4 x0 x12 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x11 x10 x5 x0 x21 x0 x0 x0 x16 x5 x0 x0 Sycophant x22 Adherent x12 Savant x18 Enforcer x18 Ritualist x23 Champion x7 Devotee x5 x2 x3 x2 x13 x1 x1 x3 x2 x5 x2 x10 x4 x3 x1 x6 x4 x4 x4 x0 x23 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x2 x5 x0 x0 x5 x0 x0 x0 Enforcer x43 Goon x0 Huntsman x67 Marksman x59 Divine x72 Grim x38 Charming x30 Firebrand x51 Silent x14 Clairvoyant x0 Mentor x0 Sibyl x24 x43 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x28 x20 x19 x2 x7 x50 x0 x16 x21 x17 x18 x0 x0 x38 x9 x5 x8 x8 x0 x0 x0 x51 x4 x2 x4 x4 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x7 x9 x8 Total Kills: 666 Mantle Kills: 268 Peacekeeper Kills: 398 Mantle Weapon Kills: 238 Peacekeeper Weapon Kills: 272 Mantle Weapons: 2 Peacekeeper Weapons: 1

Cursed Lands

Expected spawns per map: 5 Mantle (Barthimus the Provident's group only), 35 Peacekeeper

Cursed Lands

Knight x0 Zealot x1 Scout x0 Seeker x2 Abbot x1 Priest x0 Fanatic x0 Ritualist x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x1 x0 x1 x0 x0 x0 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x1 Sycophant x2 Adherent x0 Savant x0 Enforcer x1 Ritualist x2 Champion x2 Devotee x2 x0 x1 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x1 x1 x0 x0 x2 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x2 Enforcer x6 Goon x2 Huntsman x0 Marksman x6 Divine x20 Grim x11 Charming x10 Firebrand x12 Silent x6 Clairvoyant x7 Mentor x5 Sibyl x10 x0 x2 x3 x1 x1 x0 x0 x1 x0 x0 x0 x2 x3 x1 x0 x1 x7 x4 x8 x4 x5 x2 x3 x4 x1 x2 x1 x2 x3 x6 x1 x1 x2 x2 x4 x0 x0 x3 x3 x1 x1 x0 x0 x5 x5 Total Kills: 109 Mantle Kills: 14 Peacekeeper Kills: 95 Mantle Weapon Kills: 13 Peacekeeper Weapon Kills: 77 Mantle Weapons: 0 Peacekeeper Weapons: 0

Nebo Terrace

Estimated per map: 15 Mantle, 72 Peacekeeper

Peacekeeper Enforcers/Goons will be underreported because the static spawns are easy to blow up before you can properly ID them all.

Nebo Terrace

Knight x33 Zealot x7 Scout x4 Seeker x11 Abbot x0 Priest x9 Fanatic x0 Ritualist x0 x10 x14 x0 x9 x0 x0 x0 x7 x1 x0 x0 x3 x4 x0 x7 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x6 x2 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 Sycophant x16 Adherent x6 Savant x10 Enforcer x0 Ritualist x16 Champion x14 Devotee x6 x6 x2 x6 x2 x0 x0 x0 x0 x6 x0 x4 x1 x0 x5 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x4 x0 x0 x6 x6 x0 x1 x6 x7 x0 x3 x0 x1 x2 Enforcer x35 Goon x83 Huntsman x4 Marksman x38 Divine x21 Grim x25 Charming x35 Firebrand x34 Silent x54 Clairvoyant x42 Mentor x64 Sibyl x22 x12 x3 x10 x10 x20 x22 x20 x21 x2 x0 x2 x12 x12 x14 x0 x5 x4 x8 x4 x7 x10 x8 x8 x9 x13 x5 x9 x11 x3 x11 x11 x9 x16 x18 x9 x16 x11 x6 x5 x49 x10 x0 x8 x6 x8 Total Kills: 589 Mantle Kills: 132 Peacekeeper Kills: 457 Mantle Weapon Kills: 116 Peacekeeper Weapon Kills: 309 Mantle Weapons: 0 Peacekeeper Weapons: 0

North Kryta Province

Expected spawns per map: 5 mantle (Sarnia's group only), ~25 Peacekeepers (depends a bit on whether Insatiable Vakar's popups decide to spawn or not)

North Kryta Province

Knight x1 Zealot x0 Scout x0 Seeker x1 Abbot x0 Priest x2 Fanatic x0 Ritualist x2 x0 x0 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x1 x0 x0 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x2 x0 x0 Sycophant x2 Adherent x0 Savant x1 Enforcer x0 Ritualist x0 Champion x1 Devotee x0 x1 x0 x0 x0 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 x0 Enforcer x1 Goon x5 Huntsman x0 Marksman x1 Divine x6 Grim x1 Charming x2 Firebrand x9 Silent x2 Clairvoyant x6 Mentor x5 Sibyl x0 x0 x0 x1 x0 x1 x2 x1 x1 x0 x0 x0 x0 x1 x0 x0 x1 x2 x2 x1 x0 x1 x0 x0 x2 x0 x0 x1 x2 x2 x4 x1 x0 x0 x1 x1 x1 x3 x1 x0 x3 x2 x0 x0 x0 x0 Total Kills: 48 Mantle Kills: 10 Peacekeeper Kills: 38 Mantle Weapon Kills: 9 Peacekeeper Weapon Kills: 26 Mantle Weapons: 0 Peacekeeper Weapons: 0

Riverside Province

Estimated foes per map: 255 Mantle. More than I ever want to do solo in a single sitting, especially with a very long respawn walk for mistakes.

The start of the map can be a little rough. The southeastern part of the area contains a lot of small patrols of two Mantle which are very easy. The temple and the western half have some quite large groups that can be rather difficult and debatably not worth the time to bang your head against.

Riverside Province (Weapons: 7)

Knight x271 Zealot x248 Scout x260 Seeker x251 Abbot x117 Priest x124 Fanatic x148 Ritualist x131 x59 x77 x70 x65 x51 x59 x73 x65 x42 x58 x76 x84 x75 x65 x72 x39 x0 x24 x29 x29 x35 x38 x34 x26 x26 x44 x43 x27 x34 x44 x32 x29 x26 Sycophant x190 Adherent x144 Savant x170 Enforcer x245 Ritualist x190 Champion x252 Devotee x212 x35 x33 x31 x21 x30 x40 x29 x37 x40 x38 x45 x44 x44 x37 x41 x42 x58 x45 x59 x23 x31 x33 x35 x35 x33 x34 x70 x66 x82 x51 x45 x67 x49 Total Kills: 2953 Mantle Kills: 2953 Peacekeeper Kills: 0 Mantle Weapon Kills: 2522 Peacekeeper Weapon Kills: 0 Mantle Weapons: 7 Peacekeeper Weapons: 0

Watchtower Coast

Estimated per map: 65 Mantle, 48 Peacekeeper

Watchtower Coast

Knight x88 Zealot x51 Scout x57 Seeker x27 Abbot x0 Priest x55 Fanatic x53 Ritualist x44 x32 x7 x2 x47 x2 x6 x4 x39 x22 x22 x13 x0 x11 x0 x12 x0 x4 x0 x0 x0 x0 x22 x18 x0 x15 x53 x0 x0 x0 x38 x6 x0 x0 Sycophant x24 Adherent x25 Savant x14 Enforcer x9 Ritualist x25 Champion x19 Devotee x5 x1 x1 x1 x15 x3 x3 x18 x2 x3 x2 x10 x2 x1 x1 x0 x0 x7 x0 x2 x23 x0 x0 x0 x2 x0 x14 x5 x0 x0 x5 x0 x0 x0 Enforcer x88 Goon x0 Huntsman x9 Marksman x38 Divine x62 Grim x27 Charming x56 Firebrand x0 Silent x19 Clairvoyant x11 Mentor x9 Sibyl x25 x20 x25 x29 x14 x0 x0 x0 x0 x3 x5 x1 x8 x12 x18 x0 x0 x33 x15 x14 x0 x12 x15 x6 x12 x21 x17 x0 x0 x0 x0 x3 x6 x6 x4 x1 x2 x2 x6 x0 x0 x9 x0 x9 x11 x5 Total Kills: 840 Mantle Kills: 496 Peacekeeper Kills: 344 Mantle Weapon Kills: 457 Peacekeeper Weapon Kills: 277 Mantle Weapons: 0 Peacekeeper Weapons: 0

Areas in General

WiK areas and greens I've seen in them (I am NOT saying that any of these are better/worse in drop rates than the others because I have not run them at all equally!)

These are bonus drops. One regular enemy can drop normal loot, Confessor's Orders, AND a green weapon all at the same time.

Area	Weapons	Minipets
Cursed Lands	Firebrand (Mind Blast), Long Arm of the Law (Onslaught)	0
D'Alessio Seaboard	The Adjudicator (unknown Seeker), The Holy Avenger (Soldier's Stance), The Hammer of Justice (Hundred Blades), Fanatical Devotion x2 (Soldier's Fury, Stunning Strike), Long Arm of the Law (Reaper's Sweep), Harmony (Priest WoH), The Rapture (Psychic Instability), The Soul Reaper (Spoil Victor), Peace x2 (WoH Priest x2), Promise of the Unseen (Weapon of Remedy), Beacon of the Unseen (SoGM), Righteous Fury (Soldier's Fury)	0
Divinity Coast	The Peacekeeper (unknown Goon)	0
Kessex Peak	The Rapture (unknown Sycophant), The Holy Avenger (Soldier's Stance), Harmony x2 (LoD, unknown Divine), Law and Order (Dark Apostasy)	0
The Battle for Lion's Arch	0	0
Nebo Terrace	Law and Order x2 (unknown PK, Dagger Mastery), The Peacekeeper x3 (Goon w/ healsig, Backbreaker x2), The Holy Avenger (Knight), The Adjudicator x2 (Ferocious Strike, Glass Arrows)	0
Riverside Province	Beacon of the Unseen x2 (Spirit's Strength, ???), The Rapture x2 (HEV x2), Law and Order (Beguiling Haze), Righteous Fury (Soldier's Fury), Promise of the Unseen x3 (SoGM, WoR, SoS), Fanatical Devotion (Stunning Strike), The Adjudicator (Ferocious Strike), The Interdictor (Coward), Peace (Ray of Judgement), The Holy Avenger (Cripslash)	Dorian x2 (Escape Seeker, Boon Sig Abbot), Isaiah (Weaken Knees)
Scoundrel's Rise	0	0
The Black Curtain	Firebrand, Righteous Fury, The Hammer of Justice (You're All Alone), Harmony (Healing Burst)	0
Twin Serpent Lakes	0	0
Watchtower Coast	Harmony x2 (unknown Divine, unknown Priest) The Hammer of Justice x2, The Interdictor (unknown Zealot)	0

I suspect The Black Curtain is a good place to farm Peacekeepers because resurrection hell is so rare there:

• Mentors seemingly do not spawn, which is a pretty big plus because ANet decided instant uninterruptible mass resurrection should be a thing and, when paired with healers, stopping it can be quite problematic
• Sibyls do not spawn very much, which are another source of resurrection
• Enforcers seemingly cannot have the Death Pact bar
• Firebrands (that carry probably the most desirable weapon?) are abundant
• On the flip side, the map can be awkward, notably the few Mantle groups are big, close together and frequently have problematic compositions

Battle for Lion's Arch

Spawn order: Heavily work in progress. Probably won't ever get the whole thing straight, though.

• 4x "You're All Alone!" Zealot, 4x Crippling Slash Knight
• Dark Apostasy Enforcer, Beguiling Haze Enforcer, Temple Strike Enforcers - total 8, composition variable
• Punishing Shot Enforcer, Melandru's Shot Scout, Glass Arrows Seeker, total 8, composition variable
• Pet rangers and 2x Flesh Golem
• High Inquisitor Toriimo, Unsteady Ground Adherent, Water Trident Adherent, Savannah Heat Savant, Glyph of Renewal Savant, Restore Condition Abbot, Preservation Ritualist
• 2x Energy Surge Sycophant, Signet of Ghostly Might, Discord
• 2x Icy Veins Fanatic, 1x Hex Eater Vortex, 1x Lingering Curse
• 3x Adherent, 1x P/Rt Sig of Return
• Isaiah, 2x random Jade Bows, 1 random Scout, 1 random Seeker, 1x Song of Restoration, 1x P/Rt Sig of Return
• 3x Strike as One, one pet champ
• Jade bow (is this always prepared shot?), 2x oath, 1x practiced stance (are these fixed or random?)
• Pain. At some point in this big mess are yet more random bars, I've seen stuff occasionally crop up that isn't always in there like Weapon of Remedy, a Word of Healing priest and some Sycophant healers.

A big problem is I think the Healer's Burst Priest that's guaranteed to spawn in the next part. There's cheese: the Jagged Bones ritualist will often stall around the Ebon Falcons, throwing Death Nova on degenerating minions, and the Priest staying healing them, meaning the rest can be killed off on their way to Salma. Of course, the other cheese is to lure Salma away with a vampiric weapon and try to get her stuck on something... that'd probably get a solo clear, but would obviously be useless for farming. This is doable without - I'm not sure what the key is other than killing stuff quicky, but stopping the Jade Armor bonking the NPCs for very long might have something to do with it.

After that, the next big problem comes with the Perfected Aegis group. I think this is doable by killing all the Armors, then balling all the bows/cloaks up, keeping stability down and doing the normal balled up mesmer stuff to them... Though I've yet to actually do that!

I am very unconvinced that greens can drop here. I've now picked up three stacks of Orders here alone - and that ignores more left on the floor when wiping to the Perfected Armor part. This is many, many more than my average explorable area drop rate - so I conclude that I either I am being unlucky, doing something wrong, or they don't drop here. If you assumed that the drop rate of orders in this area is still ~10% and weapons are ~1/400 (seemingly pessimistic), this means (based on 3 stacks of orders) I should have a killcount in Battle for LA of about 7500, and if the drop rate were the same (and static without dependence on any other factors) the odds of me not having seen at least one should therefore be something around 1 in 142 million.

As far as I know, Hearts of the North drops Orders but no greens, which really does make me think that Battle for LA is like those.

Confessor's Orders

• 21 in 276 Mantle kills (Riverside Province)
• 25 in 245 Mantle kills (Riverside Province)
• 18 in 152 Mantle kills (D'Alessio Seaboard)
• 23 in 276 Mantle kills (Riverside Province)
• 13 in 141 Mantle kills (D'Alessio Seaboard)
• 16 in 143 Mantle kills (D'Alessio Seaboard)
• 18 in 155 Mantle kills (D'Alessio Seaboard)
• 19 in 148 Mantle kills (D'Alessio Seaboard)
• 31 in 279 Mantle kills (Riverside Province)
• 15 in 165 Mantle kills (D'Alessio Seaboard)
• 29 in 265 Mantle kills (Riverside Province)

The above comes to 199 in 1980 kills, which supports a ≈10% drop rate.

Drop Rate Estimations

(See above for Confessor's Orders at ~10%)

I'll probably not update this very often as it's not really changing a whole lot, but in a couple of minutes I whipped up a dumb script that generates a summary:

Mantle dropper kill count: 5032
Total weapon count: 15
Kills per weapon: 335.46666666666664


Peacekeeper dropper kill count: 1843
Total weapon count: 2
Kills per weapon: 921.5


Total dropper kill count: 6875
Total weapon count: 17
Kills per weapon: 404.4117647058824

I don't know of much other data except Péter Kádár's journey farming a mini peacekeeper. Obviously any comparison has issues because:

1. His methodology is likely way more affected by any antifarm code (kills shortly after zoning, thousands upon thousands of zone entries)
2. He was killing Peacekeepers, whereas most of my data is for Mantle

But, his droprates for orders were not far off mine (~8%), yet his green weapon drop rate was nearly a quarter of what I'm recording (assuming 3 weapon droppers per run, his is ~1/1146).

Now that I'm using AP to do this instead of a mesmer I don't have the energy regen downtime to count enemy builds individually, but I can still count completed runs, so I started doing that. In any case, it's starting to actually look like Peacekeeper weapon drop rates are about 1/3 to 1/4 of the Mantle ones. Yuck.