Talk:"Resilience"

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If you add Armour to this momument, are you able to re-obtain it? Also if you were to take another characters armour and then put it on (say a elementalists) would you be able to remove it and still have the other character wear it? Larnu 02:05, 17 August 2007 (BST)

1. You don't lose the armor when you "add" it. It merely puts up a display piece.
2. You can't wear another character's armor. EVER. Don't let someone fool you otherwise. --Valshia 01:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

After adding an armor set, can you salvage it without the set disapearing from your hall? Or do you have to keep the armor set? 62.163.98.243 18:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 15k armor 2 Colour Bug? 3 Armor Location 4 Removing Armor 5 Which armor can be shown? 6 Delete armor? 7 Mesmer masks 8 Single Pieces? 9 Granite Citadel Elite Armor x 2 ? 10 Headpieces 11 is five pieces the limit? 12 Elite/Exclusive/Ascended

[edit] 15k armor

So, I know, an elite armor piece is much harder to get, but what if I don't like them? I've got all my bags and my belt pouch full of armor for my mesmer, but I do not have a single complete elite armor set, so wasting a tapestry on that was unnecessary. I do have several 15k pieces from different armor sets though. Why can't I show off all my armor? I want to show off the nice combo's I've found and like. - helena 19:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Your point is moot, since the monument does not display the armor you have anyway. That's how it was possible to see armors for different characters in the Hall of Monuments' screenshot available weeks ago. Erasculio 19:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Eeh, so what armors can you display then? - helena 04:59, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Very unfortunately, what the monument does is check if you have an armor of a specific kind, and then it displays a couple armors from that kind. For example, say you have a monk, and that monk has Sunspear 15k armor - what the monument is going to see is that you have "Sunspear 15k armor", and it's going to display two sets of Sunspear 15k armor - say, Paragon male 15k Sunspear and Dervish female 15k Sunspear, regardless of how your monk doesn't have neither Paragon or Dervish armor. If your Necromancer also had Sunspear 15k armor and went to her own Hall of Monuments, there she would have the same Paragon male 15k armor and Dervish female 15k Sunspear, again regardless of how she would be a necromancer. The same for any other armor kind. That's how the preview screenshot for the Hall of Monuments showed a Ritualist armor and an Assassin armor at the same monument - if the monument showed what we have, that would not be possible (as no character has both Ritualist and Assassin armors).

I apologize if this is sounding too confusing, but the current Resilience monument is just that bad : ( Erasculio 16:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Just one clarification to make sure other people aren't mislead the same way I was: it doesn't display armor of the same kind as what you're wearing, it displays armor purchased at the same location. E.g., my warrior bought Elite Templar Armor and Elite Gladiator Armor. Since both sets are available from Marhan's Grotto, only 1 armor set is displayed at the Monument to Resilience: Marhan's Grotto Armor (I believe the male statue for Marhan's Grotto Armor looks like Elite Stormforged elementalist armor) --Ctran 20:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I had a thought for improving this monument. If I recall correctly, the armor set displayed is a new model that shows two samples of the armor on a little stand. So it's no wonder it doesn't show the exact armor set you have -- I don't know how many elite sets are in the game, but we'd probably be talking about creating ~70 new models to display there. But what if instead, it "bronzed" your character in whatever you're wearing at the time? So if you want to display the elite armor you're wearing, it takes your character model in your current armor, and just retextures it with a bronze finish to make you look like a statue. No new models would need to be created, just one texture, and the only data that would need to be stored would be your character design & armor set. It would be both more personal and easier on the model designers. Bcstingg 18:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Erasculio for your explanation, now i understand better :) And yes Bcstingg, that's what I thought it would be. When I wasn't able to do that, I just assumed you only could display complete sets of 15k armor. - helena 19:59, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

For clarification, the monument was completely revamped for release using the above suggestions. It now shows a model of your character wearing your armor. Never say the Devs don't listen to suggestions. ~ Kailianna Firesoul 14:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

In addition to character model it also shows your armor the way you dyed it, however there seems to be a problem when putting more than 1 armorset in. All my armors were redyed in the colour of the last armorset I added. Anyone else noticed this problem? Liselle Morrow 15:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm not really sure, but I believe the armours that do not display their correct dye colour is because it was dyed before they changed the dyes (think it was right before Nightfall, when the dye-preview was added) and, instead, it uses the dye remover colour from back then. Anyways I have to say that personally I'd rather have the armours have the same texture as the rest of the statues that are displayed in the HoM, as it looks kinda funny now to see a huge version of yourself =) Xyr 16:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I like the huge versions of me! Oh well, to each his own :) --Ctran 19:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

But still only complete 15k armor sets, right? I still couldn't put anything up. - helena 06:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes only complete 15k sets, although a headpiece is not required. And no it's not because of the dyes being too old. Like I said, all my armors turned the same colour as my last armorset added (which was red) and it's definitely not because of "old dyes", because the character I added was Dervish..so she did not even exist yet before the time of the dye preview and the newer bottles of dye :P Liselle Morrow 12:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Update: I figured out through some experimenting with a guildie that actually the colour is determined by the colour of the armor you are wearing upon entering your HoM. If you are wearing nothing at all then the colours of the armors displayed will be the standard profession colours (so green for mesmer, blue for dervish, etc) Liselle Morrow 18:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Bah! It sucks that it has to be full sets. :( -- Zemmy 15:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[Reseting Indent] It sucks it has to be ascended armour. Like Helena I buy armour that I like, not armour which is expensive. Not a single FoW armour art looks better than other available armours in the game now, so I don't buy any FoW. My ranger only owns non elite armour because I think it looks better than the elite armours, yet he can't put his armour up in the Hall which is really annoying, so what I paid less? I like it better! Normal Luxon Warrior armour looks better than 15k Luxon Warrior Armour but I need to buy 15k if I want to show it, it's silly. Please let us place our normal armour in the hall, not just 15k, it's not a matter of I can't afford it, it's a matter of I prefer it. Also could you let us make our monuments post? Like the emotes instead of looking like motionless bigger versions of ourselves? Reminds me of Batman's armour suits on statues atm. Dancing Gnome 16:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

wait, so let me get this straight.. you can only display full 15k sets? say if you're wearing a 15k canthan raiment, 15k luxon shoes, 15k kurzick arms, and 15k ancient legs, none of those would show right? since despite all being 15k armor, they all belong from different sets? Poloyski 08:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Colour Bug?

I added my Elite Dragon armor and Primeval earlier and they were copied the exactly same colour as my character. All was fine then when i visited HoM earlier that day the armor colour changed back to the warrior default "yellow". Any1 else getting this? Cheers :D DazUltra 02:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

They change to the colour of the armor you are wearing at the time. Unless it is prepatch dye in which case they revert to the default colour. --Lemming 02:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Is this pre-dye thing a bug or is it perm coz i think yellow armor is ugly :p Cheers :D DazUltra 02:54, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

The statue was never the right colour for me. It probably has to do with the fact that the Dye mixture I used for the armour is impossible to make anymore. --Curse You 05:45, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

If it's impossible to make anymore that would imply that it's from before Anet changed dyes for Nightfall, which is what I believe Lemming is referring to. |GD Defender / contribs 05:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep, I got the same with my mesmer. Statue was dyed green. I'm not sure if its because I had it dyed before the patch, or because it wasn't all the same color (my gloves aren't black, rest is). At any rate, none of it was supposed to be green. Is there any way to redye and fix this? --Firethorne

As mentioned in the notes armor dyed before the "new dye system" introduced with Nightfall will be displayed as the default colour, because the old combination is no longer available. So in answer to your question, the only options you have are re-dyeing your armor, or get a different set of armor and dye that in the colour you would like your armors to be displayed and wear it as you enter the hall. Liselle Morrow 11:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't it use your chest peice as the main color? Wouldn't you only have to dye the chestpeice? Єяøהħ 11:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armor Location

When I put up my Ranger Elite Druid armor I noticed it said "Marhan's Grotto Elite Armor." Does this mean I can't put up Ranger Elite Drakescale armor since they are both from Marhan's Grotto? --Zathic 00:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

You can put up both Marhan's Grotto armors. I believe that the other set would be called "Marhan's Grotto Exclusive Armor" or something. There's probably also a third name for the professions that have three armors (warrior, necro, monk). Scutilla 20:59, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removing Armor

Is there any way to remove armors that you do not want displayed in the HoM? --Bai 03:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Not as far as I know. Once put in the hall there seems to be no way of taking it out. The only way to get it off the display I suppose is adding 5 other armors and then rearranging the display til only those other 5 are shown. Liselle Morrow 11:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

So Only 5 sets can be displayed at a time ? anyone confirm this and shouldn't that info be added to the front page as a foot note or something ?

You know what would make this monument even better? If the statues where almost like the dolls in the store that display clothing. It would be if players could use this as a storage for their elite armors. This way players could have the option of collecting all the prestige armors for every character without wasting a lot of space in their storage.

Now THAT is a novel idea. Like a closet for armor!

Why would you want to remove armor from the HoM? I think you'll get credit for it in GW2, it says so in the HoM page. Ninjas In The Sky 14:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Which armor can be shown?

Does anyone know if armor that costs 5k or 10k per piece can be shown? Would be really glad if somebody knew that! Thanks. -- nachdenki [ user | talk | contribs ] 22:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

All elite armors can be shown, this includes vabbian (costing 5k a piece but being very expensive because of the gems) or Ancient (which costs 10k a piece), I assume all the GW:EN armors can be put in as well, but I can't as of yet confirm this personally Liselle Morrow 11:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

For the records, the Dwarven armor set from GW:EN cannot be added to the display (as it's not really a set). Erasculio 12:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Aye...all GWEN armors are admissable except for the dwarven armor (which is a huge bummer for my ranger..as it's my favorite set in the game thus far). As to it not being concidered a "set", the only part I'm aware of that has multiple choices from armor vendor are the hands, I don't think it would be difficult to allow a persons choice to be displayed in the hall, so long as it's purchased from him. More especially the Chaos gloves. If the hall were about prestige and accomplishments...why not include them too?!--Flycken 16:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Good thing they aren't bronzed then because with the GWEN armours they would all look the same as the armour that was reskinned to make the GWEN armour :P. Dancing Gnome 16:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm wondering why the warrior Silver Eagle armor won't go in. It is a full set, unlike the standard Dwarven stuff, so why doesn't it qualify?--Pyron Sy 23:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I assume it's bugged, possibly it's classified as Dwarven armor by the HoM (and treated accordingly) or something...Hyper Cutter

It's because it wasn't intended to be in the final release but was added into the game because the devs thought they may as well instead of letting it sit there unused forever. It's not counted because it would be "unfair". - BeX 07:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

This does not mean "it was meant to be mixed-and-matched". --Brainless Thought 14:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Emily confirmed Deldrimor armor was meant to be mixed with other sets to create unique looks. - BeX 15:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Warrior Eagle Armor, Primeval raping Luxon. BlazeRick 15:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I've tried numerous times, and it has yet to display my Primevil Armor.Blackie ewilson92 22:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Then you lack a piece or it is buggy, I've shown my ranger's primeval without problems. - anja 05:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Delete armor?

I want to buy armor's for my HoM. But I have no room in my storage. Can i just delete them after setting them in the HoM, ore will they be deleted, if I do so?

Feel free to be the person to lose the 15k to test this. Dancing Gnome 14:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

No idea but if I delete my Black Widow he is still there maybe the same happens to this monument, but I dont want to try is. No one tried it?

Items added to the monument and then deleted will remain in the monument. I added a Black Moa, then charmed another and the Moa was still there. My son added a 15K armor set to his monument, and then trashed the armor to make room. The monument image of the armor remained. Lady Chevon 21:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I Tried it (Meditation Matt) and it does not delete it. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:121.45.122.212 .

So did I, several times. Once something is dedicated to the your HoM, it stays dedicated. 145.94.74.23 08:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mesmer masks

So I added 3 sets (Elite Enchanter, Primeval and Ancient) into my Mesmer's HOM just now and I noticed that even though I do not own the Primeval mask... the statue shows it. Yet, the Ancient statue doesn't show a mask (and I don't own that one either). How come even though I don't own the Primeval mask, it shows it? and... Is there a way you could make showing masks in HOM statues optional? Like, if the char adding the set had the Helm Status as Always show then the statue would show it and vice-versa. Doll 21:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I haven't been able to try this out, but I have a theory that if you wear a mask, anyone, when you put up the armor it changes your headgear to the one belonging to the set, while if you don't wear any mask at all it will be maskless. This is the only theory I've got so far, I got a mask on my statue even though I didn't have it and didn't want it, cause it's ugly, but I've seen people showing armor without the belonging mask. - helena 06:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thing is, I was wearing the same mask all along... a 1k Kurzick one. I just changed the other pieces to put the armor up and Primeval came out with the mask while Ancient didn't. Doll 07:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Now that's just strange... - helena 15:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought I read somewhere that you only need the chest,arm,legs,and feet of an armor to display it. --- Raptors

Yes, we know, that's not what we are discussing. We are trying to find out when a mask is shown and when not, as he/she said, he/she was not wearing the right mask on any of the sets he/she put up. - helena 20:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Single Pieces?

They had said somewhere that you could Display Single Pieces here? has anyone tried that yet? (like the glacial hands) --Vhalantru 01:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Can't really display any of the Dwarven armor whatsoever, let alone single pieces of any other armor. Kinda pissed about that. So, no, sorry.

I figured a way they could add the single pieces so they can be added to the hall, for the single glove pieces they could be just a small statue with a closed fist coming up from the ground showing the glove, and for headpieces, just a bust of your character with the headpiece.--Vhalantru 23:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Question: if we get a reward in GW2 for an armor set added to the HoM, what happens if you enter just a single piece? Do you get a fourth of a reward? I'm all for the Dwarven armor sets being added, and perhaps unique gloves as well, but I see no point in adding a piece of an armor set where the set if available. Alaris 15:58, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Granite Citadel Elite Armor x 2 ?

I just bought and displayed Elementalist Elite Flameforged armor and it is shown as "Granite Citadel Elite Armor". I am wondering to know if I can also display Elementalist Elite Iceforged armor. Both Granite citadel armor will be shown at same time.

Yes, the other armor will show as "Granite Citadel Ascended Armor", or something along those lines. -- Frozzen 01:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks I confirm that :

• Elementalist Elite Flameforged armor = "Granite Citadel Elite Armor"
• Elementalist Elite Iceforged armor = "Granite Citadel Exclusive Armor"

Vezz 05:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Headpieces

Neither my monk nor my ranger got any headpiece at all on the model, however according to User:Alaris some armors do show headpieces. That makes me wonder, not only why only some armors do, but also what armor sets? If you've got an armor set up for display, does your model have a headpiece or not? Also what armor set? — Galil 08:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

What armor sets did you put up? Prophecies armor does not give a headpiece, as there aren't any headpieces to the sets, but only common headpieces. - helena 08:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Not all prophecies sets are without head piece. In fact, most of the warrior sets do have headpieces. As does the Labyrinthine set, which is one of those I put up. I guess not having the 15k druid armor headpiece is understandable though. — Galil 08:44, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Didn't think of warriors. About Labyrinthine, are you sure that it's not hidden under your monk's hair/hidden by the colour choice of your armor? (e.g. if you dyed the armor white the scalp design turns white, and if your monk is white it can be difficult to see) If so, and it's still not visible, then maybe monk scalp designs doesn't show? - helena 16:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I can confirm, looking at my HoM while typing this, that the headset shows up for each of my 4 elite ranger armors: Monument, Asura, Norn, and Luxon. The thing is, the headset shown for Asura is the mask, even though I bought only the glasses. My theory is that the headset shown is the default one that belongs to the set, and if headsets are considered separate, then it doesn't show. BTW, they could be considered separate even if sold by the same crafter, as can be seen with the Dwarven pieces. Alaris 18:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, we knew that, as Monument, Asura, Norn and Luxon are considered being full sets including the mask. It does not matter wether you bought the mask or not, it shows up anyway. And in the case with the Labyrinthine armor, the scalp design is actually a part of the set, as it's called Labyrinthine and the appearance is quite similar to the rest of the armor. So, why doesn't his Labyrinthine armor show a headpiece? That's the big question now. - helena 19:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

There are some random exceptions where the head piece doesn't show even if it's part of the set. Female Mesmer Ancient doesn't show the mask, even though the set has one and my mesmer was wearing it when the set was added. --Valshia 19:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm positive my model doesn't show the headpiece of Labyrinthe. My monk is almost half-bald and the whole set is dyed black. :P — Galil 20:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I guess Mesmer Ancient armor and Monk Labyrinthine armor are random exceptions then. Maybe it would be nice to list them all and give it to anet? - helena 20:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

That is what I'm attempting. Thus this section. ;) — Galil 20:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] is five pieces the limit?

So, until now, I hadn't seen a reason to actually get the 15k armors.... but now that there is this monument, it gives me a reason to waste all my hard earned plat. :-D But my question is, can I add more than 5 armor sets to the monument? I realize that the limit to display is 5, but is the limit to add the same? If so, I won't waste my money and just get the coolest looking 5, otherwise, I will waste it and get them all... grinding, GO! haha. :-)

Thanks --Razor

Yes, you can put every elite armor set in. --Valshia 22:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Elite/Exclusive/Ascended

With the upcoming account-wide interaction with the HoM, we don't exactly know how armour displays will work. However, it could be speculated (by me, mostly) that it would be possible to have all six varieties of Prophecies Elite armour displayed: Elite/Exclusive/Ascended from both Marhan's and the Citadel. Because not every profession has a third armour set to get the name, it might be worth it to know which armour set is tied to which name for the purposes of choosing elite armour sets for alternate characters: If I have Elite Flamforged and Elite Iceforged displayed (Elite and Exclusive, respectively) then I might want to pick up an armour set tied to "Ascended" from the Granite Citadel on an alt. Could it be possible for others with Prophecies armours displayed to submit the set and the name they are tied to? --Valentein 14:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)