Talk:Winter's Embrace

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I can see this being used on melee a lot, nice to snare someone, ok you'd be slow, but so would they...I like it.

It's a bit odd, because if someone is running away from you, the snare happens .75s after you cast it so they can get out of melee range when the effect goes off, and beacuse your both snared you can't get to them. So While it will be good on Melee takes a lot of skill to use. ~Izzy @-'---- 00:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I really can't see much, if any use in this skill. --76.2.226.20 00:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

IMS still works, eh

What kind of effect is applied to the caster? If it's a hex it could be quickly removed, however if it's like Life Siphon or Siphon Speed (visual effect / buff) then there's no way to bypass the self-slow.

Text is wrong on this it should be 90% I'll fix it next update. ~Izzy @-'---- 01:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

So basically, an alternative to shock to pin people in place while you spike them (as a war)? Interesting idea, really, although I think the KD is still more valuable.

With Avatar of Dwayna does this not slow you (order of hex removal vs. self infliction)? Crystalion 03:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

If this is a hex on the caster - pre-cast Holy Veil, touch target, remove holy veil, 90% slowdown on target. Good for PBAoE eles? --MasterPatricko 08:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Something makes me think this won't function mechanistically as a hex on the caster. The ability to self-hex could be exploited in a number of ways, like knowing for sure that you can use Shatter Hex - ok, not the best example, but IIRC there so far is no way to hex yourself so I don't see this skill being any different. Skuldnoshinpu 13:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

So I think the main question is, is this a self-hex? Because if it is, then people could use this with inspired hex for energy re-gain (and cast again? lol) or hex eater vortex to deal massive damage. Would be interesting !

Probably not. Other hexes that have an effect on the caster(life siphon, malaise, for example) don't hex the caster. --Edru viransu 15:57, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, if it is a sefl-hex, it's either spike with HEV, or prevent with Hex Breaker.

The only classes who could run HB like that are E/Me or Me/E. Neither of which have any good excuse to be using this, especially with the aftercast. Really can't see a use for this.

Then there's the damage guys: Why would melee spike with something that has aftercast? Dead give away or what. As a Warrior you might as well Rush all the way over to the spike target, since it's just as obvious. Fro 00:04, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Use on a melee class while your a spellcaster. Or put it in with something like Starburster build so if they're moving 90% and your not moving, it doesnt matter as your PBAoE's are still hitting him.--§ Eloc § 05:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

(reset) On the note of Hex Breaker, would you cause yourself damage? 07:42, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Nothing would happen. There is no damage component to this skill anyway. --Ufelder 07:57, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Surely it will be like Siphon Speed, having no hex on you, but instead slowing you down as long as the foe is hexed. --84.250.16.99 22:32, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

what a fucking gay spell--74.114.224.156 05:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

this spell would show some more usefulness if it was like all foes in the area or nearby. this skill than could be useful in controlling mobs or snaring mobs/groups allowing for mass aoe spells.

This skill seems to me like Iron Mist, Burning Speed, Swirling Aura i.e. won't see much use. If it was AoE it could have been great for PvE. Yet again, duration is not very good either.

before nightfall came out burning speed actually was a decent running skill, now theres better skills open for use. but back to WE, the question really should be, would anet mind if this skill is completely revamped or does this skill still have to remain in certain parameters? if not than i would suggest changing the skill from another speed hex and into an aoe damage spell to rival fire and earth spells. i think people were hoping that GW:EN would provide a skill of such service. Guess what im trying to say is maybe make this a skill that gives the hydromancer some real teeth and not be feared just for some snaring. had a brainstorm and thought of what this skill should do, but it change the entire idea of the skill. make the spell a variant of maelstorm with same scaling of damage but instead of spells make it attacks or attack skills.Mago First 19:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I'd like a skill with the same AoE, maybe slightly less damage, as Meteor Shower, but slows every 3 seconds instead of knocking down. Wouldn't be as strong as MS due to lack of knockdown, but would still give Hydromancers some decent damage so they might be used in PvE. As this skills is now, I don't know if I ever see it getting used. --Deathwing 13:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

That is an amazing idea, but please... no 5 sec cast, it's horrible.... --Lou-Saydus 17:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

A new Otyugh's Cry? I think so!

I think this skill is almost as awesome as Tease. It really is. :D --Redfeather 23:08, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree with that ;) Xelonir 14:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I can see myself having fun with this in RA.

E/N against Monk or Caster. Gaze of Contempt -> Winter's Embrace -> Maelstrom -> Ice Spear -> Frozen Burst/Shard Storm -> Ice Spear away! or E/Me Variant VS Monk or Caster. Winter's Embrace -> Web of Disruption (Quick hex cover) -> Maelstrom -> Ice Spear -> Frozen Burst/Shard Storm -> Ice Spear away! --Shadetz X 06:58, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Ask yourself, why would I ever run this. It doesn't take skill to use, it takes stupidity to place it on your bar. To use it on a melee you would have to KD the target first, in which case you are better off just shocking them again. It hurts you too much and doesn't bring you anything new. It is much better to off-source the snaring to a water ele with freezing gust. To even begin to make this usable the snare on yourself has to be less than the snare on the other guy (like 66-33%.) -Warskull 15:47, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Buff?

As-is, this skill really dosnt make much since, usually u snare someone to catch up to them. not much point if you can touch them. and then you move slower too? i guess it could be good for catching someone with their pants down in an aoe spell and over extended, like searing heat or ms. but rly needs a longer duration. --Lou-Saydus 21:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe adjacent as well for use at the flagstand. Nearby seems a bit too large, though. 08:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Remember that this is a non-elite 90% movement reduction spell. There are only two others that are non-elite: Iron Mist and Binding Chains. Now, which condition would you prefer? Your target being immune to everything but lightning damage, unable to be attacked without the effect ending, or sharing that 90% speed reduction? I'm sure there's more ways to benefit from this than the other two. And I would also like to mention that there are only two elite 90% reduction spells: Icy Shackles and Mind Freeze. Both are conditional and may not always work as intended, not to mention that one of them causes exhaustion. I would just like to say that my heavily ice-themed Water Elementalist is going to love this skill. Vyldan 18:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Stances for run more don't make you run faster than 90%?--NeHoMaR 15:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

All of you ney-sayign this skill are foo-els of the highest degree. this could become the next GvG metagame. E/As will be able to snare warriors then teleport away, as will A/Es. But far more importantly, W/E, the ones i think have a shot of ruling gvg with this in the metagame, will become anti tanks. Your monk is getting tailed by a enemy derv, tank, sin, ECT. Your trusty W/E runs up and WE's him, forcing him to either engage the tank, or walk around 90% slower while the tank thrashes him. YES, this skill WILL see use, perhaps over-taking Shock with its metagame-smug-face. just think of the tactical advantages this will have for gvg and im sure you will all agree, its pleanty uber as is. (68.63.233.200 21:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about all of that, I just find it useful on war/ele to pin things down in Meteor Showers or Maelstroms, that kind of stuff, without having to build up adrenaline for knockdown or using an elite like Icy Shackles on the ele's bar. Cripple is ok, but 90% slow is pretty awesome. But I mostly do pve. Elder Angelus April 24 2008.

[edit] Uses for winter's embrace

I think this is a very good skill. I don't know why many people call it useless or bad. Realize that you can use this with shadow stepping if you want. Also, most situations in PvP (and PvE too, not that this seems like much of a PvE skill) you work as a team... you don't necessarily need to be mobile... just the target shouldn't be. Ele runs in to cripple, monk prots him, and the rest of the team unleashes their fury on him. Thing is the enemy can do the same thing to your ele, creating somewhat of a necessity to bring a shadowstep with him (an elite one would be best, but not necessary). With shadowstep, it's a pretty great skill. I could see the biggest use of this to thwart flag runners or relic runners.--Xapti 22:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

This + Return. Yay. --Deathwing 07:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, this skill is good. It sucks in pve (a lot of skill does) but it's good in pvp. Beign slowed of 90% means you're still. Staying still means you can be body blocked extreamly easy. Flag cappers and relic runners could fear that. "Can't touch this!" anyone? :) --YukoIshii 17:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

as for its use by flag runner and relic bringers(or whatever) i can't say much because i haven't played that aspect of pvp that much to be able to say what works and what doesn't. but from a general knowledge of what these two jobs, a good investment into water magic to make WE last long enough to have an effect also provides some armor boost and speed buff skills that its workable. my only question into that aspect is if your gonna try and help your team some more by snaring, wouldn't there be several more useful skills that don't hinder u and yet snares the target or group?

otherwise WE isn't worthwhile skill on the bar. shadow stepping won't make up for the huge speed reduce. also you would exposing yourself to the enemy team to touch your target, than either shadow step out and hope the hex is covered or not stripped, or stay cast a cover hex and get pummeled by friends of the enemy. its to big of a risk for a single target when u can do the same thing with another spell and not be so close and might even get additional targets with the right spell with some damage on the side.

so as it stands, WE has no use in pve to which pretty much all of us agree to. in pvp, WE has limited to no use, depending on what your doing and who you are. so it makes sense to have anet tweak this skill so that it has more appeal for pve and almost shoe in for pvp use for hydromancers.Mago First 20:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Just a thought; a Me/E support use it against enemy melee, then shatter hex/hex eater vortex for some guaranteed damage, then kite away. Dunno. -- Mafaraxas 02:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Er, unless it doesn't count as a hex on you too... -- Mafaraxas 02:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Will work great in PvE, when you need to snare important boss characters in Elite missions. Kanaxai comes to mind.- Anonymous --142.167.25.102 03:34, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Another skill to make relic runs even more insufferable in HA. --72.211.155.160 19:14, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

(Glyph of Sac) -> Met Shower -> Shadow Walk -> Winter's Embrace -> Bed of Coals -> (Extra AoE/Nukes) -> Dash -> Let them die, use any follow-ups that could be useful. --208.117.81.202 21:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

This and Malaise should be hexes on yourself, in that way you could use shatter hex or smite hex for example, that would make both these two skills much better. --Cursed angel 08:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What if...

this skill would be a ranged one, like in: "For 2...5 seconds, you and target foe move 90% slower." IMO this skill would become WAY more popular. The skills image, however, wouldn't match to the spell any longer, but hey! But the skill would probably match Elite status then... -AikoN- 84.27.153.226 16:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Could see this on a R/E BHA then --86.90.168.85 17:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC) forgot to log in ----InfestedHydralisk 17:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

This skill is functionally useless. Raptaz 14:19, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Definitely, no purpose at all. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 00:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Its purpose is to lock the warrior with you... Silver Armor Earth Tanks... lol 06:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't be made ranged. Mid-liners would run it, and remove the need for backliners to relieve pressure off the monks, as well as boost the offense a bit too much (then again, what is 'too much'?). Half Range... meh. Best thing to do would be to redo the skill from scratch. I doubt people will combo this with Lightning Touch and/or Chilling Winds anyways, which are basically the only other ele skills that really synergize with this one. Or, just add a bit of damage. Let's say 20...75 to start with. Still doubt it'd be used in that form either, though. Saphatorael 19:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

This skill works considerably well combined with "Coward!", If It lasted longer you might be able to keep them there for some time. Alternative Cripslash, fun also. ~Bound

If you got an armor increase, or something, it would mean that although you are slow, you would be tougher to kill. perhaps in order of +5..29..37 Armor, or add damage. StatMan 13:25, 9 August 2008 (UTC)