ArenaNet:Skill feedback/Monk/Word of Censure

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Word of Censure

Cursed Angel's Issue 21:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

• Issue: Smiting Prayer as whole is weak and worthless, this skill is by far one of the worst. As it's an elite i guess buffing this wouldn't unbalance smiting prayers as monks rarely use it except for buffing up the attack damage on a melee ally. This skill should be more of a twin to Word of Healing but for differance being less useful on a foe under 50% health.

• Suggestion: Change it to: Elite Spell. Target foe takes 15...53...65 holy damage. If your target was over 50% Health, that foe takes an additional 10...30...35 holy damage. If your target was below 50% Health, Word of Censure takes 5 additional seconds to recharge. Increase recharge to 3 seconds. Decrease energy cost to 5.

Discussion

Interesting suggestion, improving smiting prayers is not something on our list of issues to address right now, but I'll throw this in my list of things to consider when we need to buff this line. Izzy @-'---- 01:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Lilondra's issue

• issue: same as above.
• Suggestion: Lower energy cost to 5,health should be checked before the damage is dealt resulting in a far more effective skill.

ArisB's Issue

• issue Pretty expensive for a damage skill, costing 10 energy and disabling itself when used on low health targets, which makes it underpowered for an elite skill.

• Suggestion514

Elite Spell. Target takes 5...29...35 damage. If your target is still above 33% health, it takes an additional 10...34...40 damage.

These are the same damage values as the current Word, but this version is more placed toward direct damage, and doesn't have an extremely non user friendly way to stop Word of Censure spikes which will never happen.

Holy shit, dude, do you really want people to bring four WoC spammers into... pretty much any arena? Even in TA, this would be pretty insane ranged, barely interruptible damage output. Recharge of 8, at least. -- Armond Warblade 19:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I just looked at it again, and I think I did make it a bit too powerful. Good call. I'll revise it then. Activation will make it prone to ranger interrupts I think, recharge is the same as our current WoC, so same DPS and I just removed the recharge. Another option is where unconditional damage is 5...17...20, and conditonal is 10...46...55, so that it won't be used for pressure on low health targets. Do you think maybe 50% health would be a better requirement?.ArisB24.205.38.234 23:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, because 33% health is still only 200 hp, which is, like, one good (or at least lucky) hit with the guy at 35-37% and another two hits from other people on your team. Even with monk intervention, the recharge is low enough (and in 8v8 you have enough people) for a kill at that point. -- Armond Warblade 03:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

3 Echo Rodgort's Spammers with Half RCT can do worse. I think "Target takes 5...37...45 damage. If your target is still above 33% health, it takes an additional 10...34...40 damage." is fine. But leave it at 10 energy, if the damage can total to 85+ at 15 smite.

• Suggestion

Target takes 30...54...60 holy damage. If your target is still above 33% health, it takes an additional 15...27...30 damage and you lose 5 energy. If target was below 33%, this spell takes an additional 10 seconds to recharge. 5en. 1cast 3rec. OR... Target takes 5...61...75 damage. If your target is still above 33% health, this spell inflicts burning for 3...5...5 seconds. Phill Gaston 03:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Increase damage without resulting in spike builds.

Issue

This skill is garbage.

Suggestion

Change to 5e 1s 3r. "Elite Hex Spell. For 3 seconds, target takes 5...13...16 light damage each second. If target > 33% health it does 15...39...47 damage". That way, it is efficient to use while discouraging spike builds(since the direct damage is conditional.

my issue

• issue: same as above
• Suggestion: make it a woh of the smite line

target is enchanted with word ofcensure all foes ajacent to target take xdmg holy dmg and target is healed for xhealth if target is below 50% health the health gained is double 3/4 cast 10engy 5second recharge

FleshAndFaith's Suggestion

Issue

Useless, high energy, moderate dmg, no finishing capabilities.

Suggestion

Revamp! Word of Censure: 10 Energy, 3/4th sec Cast Time, 7 sec Recharge. "Target foe takes 15...59...73 Holy Damage. If this hits an attacking foe, that foe takes an additional 5...20...33 Holy Damage and is set on fire for 0...1...2 seconds." This gets the raw power of holy damage and plays off it's name. This way you get a decent bonus, as opposed to a penalty. The 10 energy stays to make it potent, but not debilitating to cast. The cast time makes it moderately difficult to interrupt, but not impossible, and the recharge keeps the energy cost in check, allowing for moderate spammability. And the conditional damage being triggered by martial classes falls right in line with plenty other smiting prayers.

Wildcat's issue

• Issue

Worse than flare in energy, recharge, and only better than flare in damage when Smiting Prayers is at 6 (if Fire Magic was equal), and, Word Of Censure has the annoying "If your target was below 33% Health, Word of Censure takes 20 additional seconds to recharge."

• Suggestion

Change skill to simply "Target foe takes 20...67...80 holy damage and If target foe was below 33% health, Word of Censure uses an additional 5."

512.

Rework the skill

Issue

This skill is trash.

Suggestion

"For 15 seconds, Smiting Prayers against that foe recharge 25...67...85% faster".

Same as above

Issue

Same as above. It's poor, but we don't really want to buff it so that we get smiting spikers.

Suggestion

This was never meant to be a spike skill (hence the 20s recharge) so why not give it more of a support role? Maybe:

10 1 10

Elite Spell. Target foe takes 15...63...75 holy damage, and if attacking or casting a hex spell, that foe is knocked down. If your target was below 33% Health, Word of Censure takes 12 additional seconds to recharge.

Something like this would allow the user to relieve pressure by knocking down attackers, kind of like an elite Bane Signet. To prevent constant KDs (at the cost of a lot of energy, admittedly) it would need a higher recharge. There wouldn't be much point in spiking with it (especially considering the increased recharge) because then you'd be paying for KDs you're not gonna get, and also you won't get the KD on monks, say, meaning it's more of a linebacking-style skill.

Thematically, "censure" means disapproval, condemnation or critisism or whatever, so having this skill one which punishes attackers and those spreading nasty evil hexes fits the name as well as what I think the idea of a smiting monk should be in the first place.

Gordon Ecker's issue - 05:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

(Discussion link)

Issue

Smiting Prayers is weak on its' own and abusable in conjunction with other monk attributes, and Word of Censure is a weak skill.

Suggestion

Change to one of the following:

• "Elite Enchantment Spell. For 30 seconds, your Smiting Prayers skills recharge X% faster and cost Y% less Energy, your healing skills heal for 50% less Health and you cannot cast Healing Prayers or Protection Prayers enchantments.".
• "Elite Enchantment Spell. For 30 seconds, your Smiting Prayers skills recharge X% faster and cost Y% less Energy and your healing skills heal for 50% less Health. This enchantment ends if you cast a Healing Prayers or Protection Prayers enchantment.".

Arcdash's Issue

Issue

Smiting lacks an elite to use in a support build, other than Balthazar's Pendulum, which monk's don't use anyway(A secondary can use it much more effectively usually)

Suggestion

Revamp this skill into a sort of elite Reversal of Fortune, maybe like

5 1 10

Elite Enchantment Spell. For 8 seconds, the next time target ally would take damage, that ally gains that amount of Health instead, maximum (0 Smiting Prayers)...(12 Smiting Prayers)...(15 Smiting Prayers). The source of the damage is knockdown.

Probably a bit overpowered, but I couldn't figure out how to fit a KD in in another way, and if it had damage instead of a KD it'd be just like Vengful Weapon. Arcdash 23:18, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Buff it now that smiter's boon is gone

Issue

Bad damage to cost ratio, needless conditional.

Suggestion

5e 1s 2r "Does 15...63...75 light damage, and you cannot use skills on allies for 5 seconds." The monks can still heal themselves but they cannot support allies as well.

Sounds a bit like Flare, with recharge and armor ignoring - also feels a bit like pre nerf/boost Discord. Also the mechanic you're suggesting is a bit odd, untargeted heals like Heal Party can still be used, make it "all other skills/spells are recharging for 5 seconds" 62.194.247.7 10:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

NO. Don't disable all of the player's skills. This is meant so that the monk can still use energy management and self heals, the monk just cannot support other allies.

Lancys Proposal

Issue

-Direct damage doesn't really fit the theme of the smiting monk

-Bad damage; smiting prayers need "funner" and more "offensive" ways to heal their party

Suggestion

• Word of Censure -

10 ¼ 10 - (Smiting Prayers) - Elite Enchantment Spell. "(3...9...10 seconds.) 75% chance to block. Block effect: foes in the area are dealt 15...63...75 Holy damage. --Falconeye 05:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

• Word of Censure -

10 ¼ 20 - (Smiting Prayers) - Elite Hex Spell. "For 5 seconds, target foe and adjacent foes deal 5...61...75% less damage with attacks and spells. This hex is refreshed every time target foe attacks or targets an ally using a skill." --Lancy1214 21:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Wisteria's Proposal

Issue

It's a shitty skill overall, huge energy cost for little benefit. See above.

Suggestions

Word of Censure -

5 ¾ 5 - (Smiting Prayers) - Elite Spell. If target ally is below 75% health, nearby foes takes 5..85..90 holy damage. If target ally is below 50% health, this spell has 150% the divine favor bonus and you lose 3 energy. Now it's pretty much the opposite of WoH, but it still has a bit of midline support through minor healing. If 150% bonus is too much, tone it down a bit.

Word of Censure -

10 1 5 - (Smiting Prayers) - Elite Enchantment Spell. For 5...10...11 seconds, all party members are enchanted with Word of Censure, the next that ally would take damage, the foe dealing the damage takes 10..90..95 holy damage instead. Elite RoD for all party members. Damage support basically.

Chase's Issue

Issue

Lack of use, flare is better.

Suggestions

Word of Censure -

5 ¼ 8 - (Smiting Prayers) - Elite Spell. Inflicts Blind to foe and adjacent foes for 1...3...4 seconds, this spell also deals 40...80...90 Holy damage. Causes immunity to foe on Word Of Censure For 2 seconds.

Yullive's Issue --16:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Issue

same as above

Suggestions

Word of Censure -

5 ¾ 10 - (Smiting Prayers) - Elite Hex Spell. For 1...4...5 seconds, converts every damage target foe releases to healing and every healing target foe releases to Holy damage.

Weaponmaster's Suggestion

Issue

Rather Weak

Suggestion

Word of Censure -

5 1 2 - (Smiting Prayers) - Elite Hex. For 10 seconds, your target is hexed with Word of Censure, you deal 15...71...85 holy damage and they lose 1...3...3 enchantments, while hexed with word of censure they cannot be hexed by another word of censure.

The thinking behind this is that it will deal, somewhat decent damage to the target and with the low energy cost and recharge you have a good ability to spread this skills damage to other targets but cannot keep blasting the target with this skill either on you own or a party-wide spike. Enchantment removal allows a good amount of utility to the skill and the nature of it being a hex allows this to be a good cover hex, making the target choose between opening themselves up to another Censure, or suffering from the hexes they may have on them.

DarkNecrid's Issue, 8 April, 2009 (UTC)

• Issue: Terrible elite outclassed by power creep, fulfills a rather bland role.

• Suggestion: Change numbers to:

10 2 20 . Change functionality to: "Target foe and all foes adjacent to this location take 15...100...135 holy damage and begin Burning for 1...3...3 seconds. After 3 seconds, all your Smiting Prayers skills except for this one are recharged, and you gain +0...3...5 energy for each skill recharged this way." The goal with this change is to make it an actual skill choice. It sacrifices raw DoT time compared to RoJ (doing dmg equivalent to ~3 seconds of the effect), but lets you output your skills more often + provides decent energy gain.

Bathory's Issue 07:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Comments & Suggestions Here, Please

Issue

Weak damage output, high energy costs and crippling drawbacks. While this is hard to buff in PvP because of spike-abuse, it should still be considered to change and split.

Suggestion

(PvE)

5 1 3

Elite Spell. Deals 0...28...35 holy damage (maximum 130) for each recharging Smiting Prayers skill you have. Disables your non-Smiting Prayers skills for 8 seconds.

(PvP)

10 1 8

Elite Spell. Deals 0...20...25 holy damage (maximum 100) for each recharging Smiting Prayers skill you have. Disables your non-Smiting Prayers skills for 15 seconds.

Tounaku's Issue May 26, 2009

• Issue: Smiting Prayers have been nerfed to the point where the only viable elite skill is Ray of Judgment coupled with a few mediocre support skills. Word of Censure is an overall poor elite and--as said before--can be outclassed by Flare. I propose to make Word of Censure into something that Monks have never had before, thereby giving Smiting Prayers a new angle from which to operate instead of just using a mediocre support line with one good AoE spell as the basic elite of choice.

• Suggestion 1: Change it to:

5 ¼ 15 - (Smiting Prayers) - Elite Spell. Target foe's action is interrupted and takes 0...40...55 holy damage. If you interrupted a skill, target foe is hexed with Word of Censure for 0...6...7 seconds and casts spells and attacks 0...28...35% slower. If target foe is above 50% health when this hex ends, it begins burning for 0...4...5 seconds.

• Suggestion 2: Change it to:

5 ¾ 10 - (Smiting Prayers) - Elite Hex Spell. Target foe takes 25...61...70 holy damage. For 0...3...4 seconds, the next time target foe casts a spell, that spell fails and this hex ends; if target foe attacks, its action is interrupted and this hex ends. If this hex ends prematurely, the hexed foe begins burning for 1...4...5 seconds and Word of Censure is disabled for 15 seconds.

-- Tounaku 16:07, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Ashir Lightwielder's Suggestion June 20, 2009

Issue

Since it's inception this skill has been almost great, almost.

Suggestion 1

5 1 4 - (Smiting Prayers) - Elite Spell. Target Foe takes 15...63...75 holy damage and is interrupted. If target foe is below 33% health you are Knocked down and this spell is disabled for 10...4...3 seconds.

Suggestion 2

15 1 15 - (Smiting Prayers) - Elite Hex Spell. For 3...9...10 seconds, target foes spells deal 33% less damage and heal for 10...38...45% less.

Ashir Lightwielder June 20, 2009

70.118.201.84 07:08, 21 June 2009 (UTC)'s issue

Issue

This skill isn't fun to play with.

Suggestion

Make this skill cause aoe Weakness and a small bit of damage, change the recharge time some. 2...10 seconds of weakness and like 10...50 damage. Adding Conditions would make it interesting skill for both PvP and PvE.

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Ikimono1

Gutti's Suggestion

Issue

See above.

Suggestion

Word of Censure (PvE)- (Smiting Prayers) - 10 ¼ 3 . Elite Spell. Deals 4 Holy damage for every rank of Smiting Prayers and Divine Favor. You gain Health equal to 5...41...50% of damage dealt if target foe was below 50%.

Word of Censure (PvP)- (Smiting Prayers) - 10 1 5 . Elite Spell. Deals 3 Holy damage for every rank of Smiting Prayers and Divine Favor. Deal 33% less damage and you gain Health equal to 5...41...50% of damage dealt if target foe was below 50%.

-Gutti Loh 02:59, 8 July 2009 (UTC)