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Aegis

Needs to be party members within earshot, so infinite energy chars dont sit a compass away spamming 50% damage reduction. 98.248.90.248 23:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Needs to have a recharge, so infinite energy chars dont sit aggro range away spamming 50% damage reduction. ~Shard 23:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Ups, was thinking oldschool ether prodigy and not mind blast :> 98.248.90.248 23:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

How2infiniteenergymonk? is for Raine, etc. 23:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Monk? LOL. Nobody uses mo/ to abuse monk skills. N/mo, E/mo, and D/mo ftw. ~Shard 02:06, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Them n/mos with 1 second aegises would be pretty broken. -Auron 02:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I think the page has been updated since you last looked at it. :> is for Raine, etc. 02:15, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Not entirely sure how i managed to miss the divine favor requirement. I think i confused the previous version and this version >.> 98.248.90.248 22:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Air of Enchantment

With current percents even a spell with a normal cast time of one second can't be reduced to ½. It's because the description says faster. If it would say the casting time is reduced, then the ½ cast time is possible with one second cast times. - J.P.Talk 22:12, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Thanks for pointing that out. is for Raine, etc. 23:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Dismiss Condition

That's blasphemy, dawg. elix Omni 19:48, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I cannot express how much I hate dismiss in its current form. Even though I guess that kind of does it.

Firstly, it's a reactive spot heal. Why is it in prot prayers? Why are *any* heals in prot prayers? If a prot monk wants to redbar, they can spec healing like they've done in the past. As you can see, I'm moving redbar skills out of prot. I think I might put ZB in Divine Favor, but it definitely shouldn't be in prot prayers.

Secondly, it's too little too slow. One condition every 3 seconds? Yeah, that cripple/deep wound is never coming off.

I just don't like it. is for Raine, etc. 20:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Is there a ginormous problem with allowing prot monks to have 2 spot heals on a bar? One of them require an enchantment (making this one worth a bare minimum of 10 energy for 70 health-ish.)?--Master Briar 20:40, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't necessarily mind prot skills healing (like RoF), but I do mind prot skills not protting. Spot healing is sort of the opposite of protting: you're undoing damage (and, in this case, condition application). The thing with RoF is that it does what prot prayers are supposed to do: it stops damage (then heals in addition to that). Dismiss doesn't prevent anything; it's a spot heal, and there's already an attribute for that. is for Raine, etc. 21:04, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Ah. I see. You miscounted btw. there are two. --Master Briar 21:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I like the new one. Not quite so much healing but would still be a great buff IMO. But dont you worry about it Promoting more cast and forget healing? --Master Briar 08:47, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

It's a pretty terrible redbar skill, actually. You'd be better of running Mend Condition: the heal is bigger, instant, and unconditional (well, as long as you actually remove a condition). is for Raine, etc. 08:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah thats true I suppose. Still. I like it. Looks like major fun in RA. --Master Briar 09:11, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

It's kinda like a Life Sheath but without the spec requirement to remove two conditions. →[ »Halogod (talk)« ]← 21:52, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

But it only removes one condition, max. O.o is for Raine, etc. 22:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Coulda sworn it said, remove one condition and then the next one is negated. But nevermind then. →[ »Halogod (talk)« ]← 22:08, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

You're thinking of Reverse Hex. is for Raine, etc. 22:13, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Divert Hexes

I would hate to play hexway against that. Diversion (on three hexes) + hex removal + ally targeting Arcane Conundrum. Ho.ly.Shit. Karate Jesus 20:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Hexes need to die, but idk if they should die that hard lol -- Tha Reckoning 20:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Your heal monk would never ever be able to die as long as you drew breath. /sigh what a lovely dream. --Master Briar 20:41, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

It wouldn't stop causal hexing; when your hexes are taking twice as long to cast, you hit esc and press tab and casual hex something else. At the very worst, you get one hex Diverted and learn an important lesson (unless you're bad).

But it would totally kittenstomp hex spamming (which shouldn't exist). is for Raine, etc. 20:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree, but holy fuck balls. That's a bit much. Hex spamming has always been some part of the meta, and can be balanced if it weren't for the sick VoR-like power creep. Karate Jesus 20:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

The only things that really lolspam hexes on one or two targets are necroes (and bad water eles), and they also happen to have the best enchant removals in guildwars. is for Raine, etc. 20:51, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

And bad doms. Karate Jesus 20:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

"...bad..."

I have 0 problem with skills that lulraep bad players (this has the doubled casting time specifically for that reason: good players will know that it's either a Veil or Divert up, so casting the hex is prolly a bad idea). It's skills that good players can't do anything about that I have an issue with. is for Raine, etc. 02:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Bad Player Mousetrap. ~Shard 02:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Vital Blessing

Damn! I'll take it! Previously Unsigned 06:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

I like it because it doesn't do anything on its own. If you put it on a spike and it doesn't get infused, they die, anyway. But it's still awesome for buying a couple of seconds for your heal monk. is for Raine, etc. 08:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

It's good for fuses with training wheels like me -- Tha Reckoning 08:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Shatterbaaaaaaaaaaait. Misery 08:25, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

This would be terrible for the same reason endure pain is. It only heals for 35. ~Shard 06:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

It stops people from dying. is for Raine, etc. 07:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Or, you could just pre-prot with something like SoA, or guardian, or spirit bond. Or, when in doubt, pop an aegis! There's no skill slot on a prot bar for this, anyway. And just not being bad is better. Also, conditional health boosts are pointless and terrible. =/ Ryuu - Meow~ ♥ 07:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

it's just a different type of prot, which can be more useful than a simple prot in some scenarios. many spikes have just enough damage to kill a target with 600ish HP (including deep wound), so upping it by 400 would effectively save him from the spike, without letting him maintain 1000 hp for very long. it's a great prot when something is taking damage from a large number of sources or taking difficult-to-prot damage (see also, casters). i'd take this over soa any day vs something like searing flames.

either way, it's a thousand times better than the current version. giving monks options is the only way out of a stale meta. -Auron 09:13, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. I'd go like this: Vital Blessing, Paitent Spirit, Aura of Faith, Dwayna's Kiss for a lolheal. →[ »Halogod (talk)« ]← 21:53, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Mark of Protection

Should disable spells instead of skills so you are not totally helpless. Koda Kumi 20:55, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

It's aimed more at dual-monk backlines. But I see where you're coming from, so I'll update it to more closely match my original intention. Thanks for the feedback. ♥ is for Raine, etc. 22:06, 20 June 2010 (UTC)