Talk:Gwen/draft

Proposal to merge

The two articles Gwen and Gwen/draft are too long for the casual reader to understand what would happen if they were merged. It would be helpful to list the issues with Gwen that one hopes to resolve and how Gwen/draft resolves them.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:01, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

"what is being proposed? and why? ---- The two articles Gwen and Gwen/draft are too long for the casual reader to understand what would happen if they were merged. It would be helpful to list the issues with Gwen that one hopes to resolve and how Gwen/draft resolves them " You just confused the confusion thar. --Neil • 17:03, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

The issue with the Gwen pages is that we currently have 3 articles for the same character at different stages in her life, with a fourth proposed (and if that goes through, three of those different stages will be within a year of each other). This proposal is to simply have a single "biography" page rather than the convoluted set of pages we have now. All these pages for a single character simply isn't necessary, and this page shows that all the information on the character can be combined into a single page effectively. --Santax (talk · contribs) 17:08, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I have no issue with the merge (BTW, Santax, we only have 2 - the charr prison article from the disambig page is just the disguise skill - with a third proposed). However, I'd like the re-placing of the quotation template and using the render for the NPC infobox. However, I am not against having a child and an adult form of the pages - Pre-Searing and other. Which is what we have now (i.e., I am against the third article). -- Konig/talk 22:49, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

i think what should happen is we should have a gwen page on that page there is a section called gwen pre-searing gwen in the bmp and gwen in eotn and maybe gwen in guild wars beyond that way its clear to see her at all stages of her life in the game. and its all on one page. i think having more then one page is redundant and makes you look around longer for information.- Zesbeer 06:14, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I really don't see any purpose about having a Gwen in the BMP/EN/Beyond sections. At most, there should only be 2 sections/pages - Gwen in pre-Searing (childhood), and Gwen outside of pre-Searing (adult). BMP info: a build, a model, and lore; EN info: 2 builds, 3 models, location, quests, lore; Beyond info: location, new quests, lore, wedding dress model. I don't see a need to separate those. I prefer the gallery for all the different models, the quests don't need separation, nor does the lore, and the locations between Beyond and EN atm is more or less the same. There's little need to separate the builds between BMP and EN, and even smaller need to separate that lore.

So, again: Either mix it all up (like this page, but I say we need a better image - I do like using the render, for consistency if nothing else), or have it as two pages - Gwen (child) and Gwen (adult). To have more is completely redundant and unnecessary. As to having section, also pointless imo as it would just make the page larger. You can separate lore (ala Devona's biography section), but the rest should be kept together. -- Konig/talk 21:00, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

i dont see why we need 2 pages. they are the same person and should all be on the same page. i dont care how many sections there is i just think it should be one page. - Zesbeer 04:12, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

There's multiple NPCs which are split in two, despite being for the same person in lore, due to the immense difference in game mechanics and/or spoiler reasons (Etham and Etham the Artisan being an example for the former, Kormir and Goddess of Truth being an example for the former). -- Konig/talk 04:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

etham and etham the artisan should be merged and i see no reason why little girl gwen and hero gwen cant share the same page.- Zesbeer 06:38, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I have no issue with the merge.MystiLefemEle 10:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Some people still play this game. They need all the info. If it's imortant enough, I suggest you make an articlaon gw2 wiki. Backsword 12:44, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't see where the comment on the gw2 wiki comes from... or rather, responds to. -- Konig/talk 20:18, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

The point being that while some people don't play the game anymore, and is only interested in lore, particularly as it pertains to gw2, there is still plenty of players of gw1. Thus this idea of removing gameplay info and focus on gw2 relevant lore is a bad one. Backsword 03:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

But there is no removal of gameplay info and there's absolutely no focus on gw2...? It just merges gwen as a child and gwen as a teen/adult, and fills in lore which pertains to both that was missing before. The only gw2 information there is, is merely two notes - one about Logan, the other about her title as "the Goremonger." -- Konig/talk 11:10, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

There is on this draft. Backsword 06:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

In fact, some of the info is directly incorrect. But it's all a sacrifice worth making on the altar of lore, eh. Backsword 06:30, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

can u point out this "incorrect info" and gw2 focus?- Zesbeer 08:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, please, since the only "gw2 focus" I see is two notes which exist on the hero page (as stated, the info of Logan Thackeray and The Goremonger). The only other future-lore info there is would be the comment of 1080 AE, which isn't that big of a deal since we know it happens, even if not mechanically. I just looked through and found no incorrect info, so please do point it out - or correct it yourself - instead of just complaining. Back up your words, oh, he-who-can-see-things-I-cannot. -- Konig/talk 14:20, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Different suggestion with slight changes

I didn't want to replace the draft with a few but significant changes so I created User:Konig Des Todes/Gwen for an alternate suggestion. I'd prefer that version for:

1. Consistency in infobox image - renders seem to be preferred, I think we should keep it that way.
2. Quote template - while I dislike the looks of it, I think the quote template should be used except with flavor quotes (like what's being done on the gw2wiki atm).
3. Neither takes away from the article, nor adds too much (like the quote template of Turai Ossa or Saul D'Alessio. -- Konig/talk 11:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

i like either.- Zesbeer 16:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Decided to add the quote up top and render image into the infobox, since Santax used a render over on Keiran Thackeray/draft. -- Konig/talk 16:39, 17 December 2010 (UTC)