Talk:Rainbow Phoenix/Archive 2

DEATH LEVELLING: A GUIDE

...to editing this article. In the unlikely event that there's anyone who wants both to edit the section and to be informed, this is just for you. Ask yourself:

Q1: Do I know what death levelling is?

A: It's when you die repeatedly by a pet (usually in the Zaishen Menagerie) and have a way to be resurrected, so that your multiple deaths give the pet XP.

Q2a: Do I think the Rainbow Phoenix can be death-levelled?

A: It's in the Menagerie and in the Hall of Monuments, and it gains XP from your death. But it doesn't spawn in either place if you have heroes, and neither one has a res shrine, so you can only die once.

Q2b: Do I think other pets, like the White Moa, can't be death levelled?

A: Does the pet appear in the Menagerie? For every pet, yes. Is there a way to be resurrected while it's there? For every pet except the Rainbow Phoenix, the answer is yes. So every other pet can be death levelled.

Q3: Do I still for some reason think the note is wrong?

A: Hit F5 and the page will refresh and I will explain the above points again.

Thanks for actually reading the talk page before making your inane edit. | 72 {U|T|C} 04:08, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

when you first donate the phoenix to the menagerie one is spawned weather your with your heroes or not...so technically you should be able to death lvl one if you are prepared the first time you get it.....right?AurenX 05:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I think that was fixed months ago. When i added my phoenix (with heroes on the group) nothing spawned.--Fighterdoken 06:03, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

That was indeed fixed about a week after the Menagerie appeared, and all the Rainbow Phoenixes that were tamed by heroes were removed. elix Omni 06:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Regarding The Rainbow Phoenix is the only pet that you cannot death level note: couldn't (technically) a (solo) R/Rt or Rt/R death level it by spamming Restoration and/or Lively Was Naomei so they'd be resurrected once fallen? CBA to really test this (not sure if such spells would revive player once "Your party has been defeated" message shows up, in either the managerie or hall of monuments), just trying to figure out if such statement is 100% flawless (and if it is really worth to keep it there). --NIN37 15:07, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, Restoration is out ("Notes: If your entire party dies before this spirit, you will not get resurrected"). Lively Was Naomei's talk page seems to indicate that it works the same way ("...if not (like for UW) you will lose ... Yup, just checked at Tahnnakai Temple. Once you go down you get "mission failed" and don't even get rez'd, actually"). Either way, it'd be incredibly slow if it did. | 72 (UTC) 02:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Why can you not have the rainbow phoenix kill your pet in the menagerie, then capture it? ~Shard 02:21, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

If I'm understanding you correctly, are you saying let the phoenix kill your pet, revive the pet, and let the phoenix kill it again? If so, then from what I've heard, mobs only

gain experience from a pet only once. personn5 02:44, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Above poster is right. And trust me - I have read everything I could about Death Leveling: without H4X it is impossible! The only real method would be going into GvG test battle against a 1 hp-er with Mesmer rez heroes (same build as the menagerie death level). It's twice as slow (see my userpage for exact timing and xp details) but in think it would work. -- Karasu (talk) 02:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Even if it didn't gain experience from your pet only once, don't creatures in the menagerie never attack you? Or is it only that they don't aggro when you Charm them? | 72 (UTC) 04:35, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

The ones spawned by the trainer attack you (and aggro when you charm them). The "wild" ones wandering around don't do either. -- FreedomBound 13:39, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Just had Rainbow Phoenix available to me, have all monuments full EXCEPT weapons, I have 1 destroyer weapon and 2 oppressor weapons, and the KoaBD title. I went in alone with the 2 weapons in the monument, nothing. Added my new oppressor weapon, came back and bam, Rainbow Phoenix floating around. Don't know if the requirements is at least 3 weapons now or something. Hope this helps! 161.38.221.165 21:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC) Djinn of the Sea

Death Leveling

Couldnt you death level using Eternal Aura, Restoration or Lively Was Naomei? With these skills you don't need a hero or rez shrine...you can self rez infinitely. --Moto Saxon 23:19, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Mkay, just read that the Rit rezzes don't work when your party wipes...but I know EA will still work. I'll have to test this later, but it should work. --Moto Saxon 23:25, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I just death leveled it using eternal aura. --Moto Saxon 03:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I was under the impression you couldn't "death level" the phoenix... Got proof? ^.^ I have one of these and few have commented on it. ^.^ Kaisha 04:08, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I can upload a screen shot later I guess...if needed. The old argument was that you had no way of rezzing yourself (no shrines around, you couldn't bring heros, and self rezzes didnt work if your party wiped). Now that Eternal Aura has been updated, it self rezzes with out wiping your party. So you can rez yourself infinitely in order the death level it. I just did this and took my RB from lvl 12 to 13. --Moto Saxon 13:36, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Probably temporary before they realize the horror they've unleashed on the world, but worth a note | 72 | 14:13, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

IIRC, DLing using the three hero method takes less than 10 minutes to bring a pet from from L5 to L20. How long does it take without heroes and just EA? — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:12, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I've nvr DL'ed anything (other then testing the RB from 12 to 13). I'd imagine it would take a long time, since you are solo, and you have to sit at your computer to recast EA every 45 seconds. It does take about 45 seconds for the RB to kill you with 60dp and no armor. And you need that full time for EA to recharge and to regain energy to recast EA. So approx 45 seconds X amount of kills needed to DL up to lvl 20. --Moto Saxon 17:06, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, there's the rub: it's not AFK death leveling. Therefore: it takes forever.

According to Death leveling, it takes 342 toon deaths for a pet to go from L5 to L20. Assuming 1 minute per death, that 5.7 hours. Assuming 45 seconds instead, it's just over 4 0.25¼ hours. Unless someone can think of a non-macro/bot way to recast EA, I think we should update the note to say it's possible but impractical to DL the RP. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

If you'd gone to the effort of obtaining 15 gold zcoins for obtaining it that way, just get the next few silver coins to buy it to lvl 20 seems easier. (depending on ZM/ZB {e.g. augury rock or fronis irontoe} it could be quicker to do zaishen stuff for coins than to DL it, and certainly less boring) --File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 15:49, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I suspect most people still obtain the Rainbow Phoenix by taming it in the HoM (especially since, apparently, you can use your account-wide list of titles to spawn it). — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:06, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Question: I dont think the 4 hours for eternal aura account for the possibility of Glyph of Renewal if you are D/E or E/D? if you use that it will be 11 sec for each combo (while you are casting eternal aura the glyph is recharging) making it 5500 secs per 500 deaths which should be around 1.5 hours + moving your toons, but it would require you to sit there and manage it. K61824 19:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Right: GoR: 1s to invoke → EA 4s to cast → 6 more seconds waiting for GoR. But then you also have to suicide, which takes a bit longer. (You have to have just enough health at 60% DP that you can successfully rez from EA and not at a rez shrine.) (Also: no other toons can be present, if your goal is DLing the Rainbow Phoenix; it only appears when you are alone.)

So let's call it 80 minutes (since you really only need 342 deaths). That means it's possible but still impractical for 99% of humanity. IMO, it's still faster to farm the zoins (especially since you can farm ecto and buy the 12 in Kam/GToB). — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)