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Real?[edit]

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Is this actually for real? I've never seen it the the Hall of Monuments, and it seems to be an odd place for a charmable pet. Are there any requirements to get it to spawn? --Valshia 18:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

trying to figure that out but it isn't:
  • unlocking all tapestries
  • placing something in every monument
  • KobD title

from my guild only me and my GF have it that I know of... and it's only there when we enter HoM alone.. grtz --User Tribina Mulogo.jpg (Tribina / talk) 19:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

What, if any, elite pets did you put on Fellowship? - Tanetris 19:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I put spider there ;-) That could be it... but it isn't.. my officer has spider up there and no phoenix... --User Tribina Mulogo.jpg (Tribina / talk) 19:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Maybe it's post-endgame? --Santax (talk · contribs) 19:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Negative on that, just beat A Time for Heroes, all with fireworks and credits and stuff but no birdo --zeeZ 00:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't get the pet to show either, I've beat the game and I've used all the 4 Tapestrys.90.229.196.238 13:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC) Whats KOBD Wow... 125.63.137.172 00:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

KOBD Means Kind of a Big Deal and these are the requirements to get the Rainbow Phoenix 1. All tapestries 2. People Know Me

Have to enter alone in the Hall of Monuments!!! Good Luck to the people that are going to achieve this!! Beacuse ive already got the pet and its great!!! : By Elegant Enzo

Requirements - my finds[edit]

I just beat the game, and came to HoM, alone... The phoenix was here, but when I came with a hero, it didn't spawn. Tried it a few times, and so far he only spawned when I was alone... --Torins 01:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Interesting, it's probably to prevent people who haven't completed the game from getting one. -- Gordon Ecker 01:52, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
not true.. there is another req.. I got the pet as soon as I visited my HoM after the release.. Wasn't even close of finishing the expansion yet ^^ removing that comment ;-) --User Tribina Mulogo.jpg (Tribina / talk) 02:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
The current info there is still wrong, there must be another requirement --zeeZ 13:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
My guess is People Know Me title or a certain number of items displayed on the monuments... --User Tribina Mulogo.jpg (Tribina / talk) 15:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I have People Know Me, but I tried going into HoM alone and no Rainbow Phoenix yet. I'll try again when I get the last tapestry up and let you know. - Tanetris 16:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it's tied to titles or items displayed. Might be a random quest that unlocks it --zeeZ 17:42, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay, Rainbow Phoenix appeared as soon as I hung the last tapestry and zoned out and back in, so that's pretty definitely a requirement. I haven't beaten GW:EN yet, haven't even completed Against the Destroyers, haven't done many sidequests... As I said, I do have People Know Me. I've also beaten all 3 campaigns, that might be involved... Any other ideas? - Tanetris 22:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I can report the same thing as Tanetris: All tapestries, People Know Me, GW:EN & Destroyers unfinished, (and 2 monuments empty). --Valshia 05:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I have 9 titles maxed out, have beaten all 3 campaigns, and have all 4 tapestries, but no bird for me :( , So it would seem then, that the req is for the person to have People Know Me, and all 4 tapestries? Has anyone got it to show up with OUT either of those? 68.104.205.160 11:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree the final requirement seems to be People Know Me. If someone without PKM (or the phoenix) could gain it and then confirm that afterwards the phoenix did indeed show up in their Hall it'd be wonderful. Something similar to what Tanetris did with the Tapestries. I'll try, but I'm still 3 titles off, so it might be a while. Most likely someone else will be able to sooner. Volta 15:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I had some guild mates of mine try this last night. It is tied to title track as well. Have to be at least People Know Me, have all tapestry shreds up and be alone.--Cherno 15:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for finally clearing this up. =D -- Volta 21:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Not true. My Necro is PKM, had the tapestry shred and flute and whatever, but not in inventory and it still appeared. One wonders what happens if a "I have many leather-bound books" guy enters, maybe another Phoenix? I would also like to know if really PKM is required and if KOABD is not enough. --Longasc 00:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I misread the comment. The displayed tapestries are not shreds, but still my fault. ;) --Longasc 00:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I only have KoaBD but meet the other requirements. Yet no phoenix for me, unfortunately. --Volta 02:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I found the bird in my HoM today, I have 4 tapestries, however; only 3 are complete (still working on weapons..even in account view only have 5)...I have only 9 titles maxed....is this a bug? 68.164.225.15 09:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I just finished filling four of my monuments today (all but Valor), and I have KoBD, and all tapestries. But the phoenix does not spawn when I go in alone with no pet. On the main Hall of Monuments page on this wiki, and the unofficial wikia, it states that EVERY monument must be filled, but this article only says four of five. Did something change? Or am I just missing something? Uktra06 22:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes. Erasculio 23:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm KOABD (9 titles) and I have all the tapestries - I have ~47 miniatures, at "Fellowship" I have 23 statues, 6 sets of elite armor and at "Valor" I have 8/11 (2 tormented and 6 destroyer). The interesting thing is that I have a rainbow phoenix in my HOM but I don't have PKM nor all the monuments full (Valor). A screenshot, (I really hope I did this right since I've never used a wiki this way before) http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Rainbow_Phoenix_Monuments_KOABD.jpg Markus Clouser 01:30, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I have KoABD r1, 7 maxed titles, finished EoTN, all tapestries, 24 miniatures, 13 hero statues, my account-wide HoM is maxed for all aspects except for five more destroyer weapons. Before coming in I just finished Drunkard r1. The Rainbow Phoenix has never spawned before with heroes but once I came without heroes it spawned. Tried again with heroes and no spawn. Perhaps it is just shy! 80.221.18.201 23:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Just now the Rainbow Phoenix was in my Hall. I have KoaBD(1) with 8 maxed titles, but only after I got 3 monuments (Devotion, Companionship and Resilience) to full display, it spawned. I only have one token weapon on the Valor monument. So I think that you need 4 Tapestries, 3 full-display monuments and at least one item on the other monuments for a Rainbow Phoenix to spawn. TheaEvanda 12:24, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
For me, the Phoenix only spawned after I had filled four of the five monuments. I had the title for a few days and was slowly adding things to the monuments to see at what point exactly the Phoenix would spawn. In the end, I had filled the "Devotion", "Fellowship", "Honor" and "Resilience" monuments when I finally got it to spawn. The last thing I did was add the 5th suit of armor to the "Resilience" monument and when I rezoned to find it there.
I wonder in retrospect though if maybe my "Fellowship" monument was actually considered full as it was filled with the four Animal Companion statues and one Hero statue. It might be the case the it is only considered full when full with Heroes. Or alternatively, maybe the "Honor" monument is only considered full under certain circumstancs. Im wondering this because TheaEvanda got the Phoenix to show when she filled only three monuments.
User Tytan Crow Crow.jpg Titan Crow 10:43, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
i have the rainbow pheonix and i only have rank 1 kobd i have all but valor full (5/11) and he popped up the same day of adding the fifth weapon so you only really need that much to get it.btw crow a monument is considered full when it reaches max visible capacity for example 5 title statues gives you a "full display" or 5 armor statues,5 heroes(including pet statues), ect.--A hole grandpa 03:22, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Here's another data point. Just went in the Hall today to do a Hearts of the North quest and was very surprised to find the RP as I have exactly 5 max titles and therefore rank 1 KoaBD. I also only have a single toon on this account with any titles at all. What I do have is max display on all monuments except Valor, where I have only 3 weapons. Robdalf 02:53, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Adding another one ... I have 50 minipets (At least one of each rarity), 10 heroes/pets (Animal Companion, Black Moa, Black Widow, Imperial Phoenix, Gwen, Zhed, Master of Whispers, Livia, Tahlkora and MOX), 5 armors (Marhan's Grotto Elite Armor, Elite Luxon, Ancient, Primeval and Vabbian), 2 weapons (Oppressors Longbow and Destroyer Recurve Bow), 11 Statues (Protector and Hero x3, Conquerer of SF and FoW, Gladiator (at rank 3), Tyrian Skill Hunter and Eternal Survivor). This puts me at Kind of a Big Deal, 5 titles maxed. My Honor tabard is at the second level (the golden statue is barely sticking out). I have 35 points in the HoM-calculator, thus, 32 points in-game. The bloody bird isn't spawning for me, and it bugs the living daylight out of me. Seems like people have it spawning with less stuff then I have, what other factors could there be? Rudi 00:16, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
I just had the Rainbow Phoenix spawn in my HoM, with all of the things in the above paragraph, with addition of an additional weapon, an Oppressor's Scythe. This single addition knocked the statue above the Honor monument up to the third level, the first level with visible shields/armor on the shoulders. With that I'd like to think that a more precise requirement for the Rainbow Phoenix is either have "People Know Me", or have "Kind of a Big Deal" AND have the Honor statue at level 3. With God knowing what raises that level. Rudi 18:23, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Random?[edit]

Maybe its random until you find it there and then stays there till u find it --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:68.36.202.128 .

its not a random find its earned or paid for in the menagerie but if u buy it it still wont appear in your hom or so a friend of mine says.--A hole grandpa 03:29, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

To rezone or not to rezone...[edit]

THAT is my question.

I have completed GW:EN. All the tapestries are there (only one monument currently displaying anything however). I have entered and reentered and reentered, with heroes, without heroes, even changed my secondary prof to ranger... and no pretty bird.

Got PKM?

HoM without "Ppl Know me"[edit]

A mate of mine got this to spawn but he hasnt got "People Know Me" i know this cos hes got one and has "kinda big deal" so... this is weird... it ALWAYS spawns for him in his HoM and he def doesnt have the cash to unlock it in menagerie... I dont have a screenie but im still wondering how this is possible and if we could get one like that... and before this is an issue theres the wiki "assume good will" thing. Thanks 83.104.133.95 17:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

It's a bug due to the 23 april update, if it happens to you, you're lucky --Derv Who Likes To 09:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Maybe they just lowered the spawning requirement to "Kind of a Big Deal" and forgot to document it. -- User Gordon Ecker sig.png Gordon Ecker (talk) 10:10, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I also got the Phoenix with "Kind of a big deal". Hope it's just an undocumented change and not a bug. --MageUser MageMontu sig.pngMontu 11:23, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't have the Phoenix in my hall, and I have KoaBD. I haven't added much to my hall, perhaps it's linked to how much you've put in there? ~ Mortimer 21:07, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I have the phoenix in my hall with only 7 titles maxed, but I also have the entire hall full, with minis, armor, weapons, etc, so maybe that has something to do with it? Aldawg227 02:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Probably a bug due to having 10 max titles across an entire account~>Sins WDBUser The Sins We Die By Sig.png 04:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
They Said they were also going to remove it from any characters that dont have People Know me somewhere AFAIKTalkWild 04:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
I've got someone in my guild who somehow managed to charm a level 5 rainbow phoenix with his Pyre Fierceshot hero. I have no idea how he did it, and he's not sharing his secret... (84.197.189.101 12:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC))
When you show your Rainbow Phoenix to Emryd the Tamer for the first time ONLY. 1 will spawn regardless of having heroes or not. If you leave the area and then go back in, the phoenix will spawn only if you are alone. But that's a bug which will be fixed next week, and all rainbow phoenixes on heroes will be removed. --MageUser MageMontu sig.pngMontu 12:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

(RI) I asked Linsey. No idea what her reply means, though. I didn't elaborate because she was busy, so she may be talking about how you can unlock the phoenix at the Menagerie, not about being able to tame it in a HoM while being only a KoaBD. Erasculio 23:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Can someone test if this still works? I just tried at 6 maxed titles and it didn't. (didn't try it before though) --User Karasu sig.png Karasu (talk) 22:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Having all five monuments full adds 1 component to the KOABD statue in your hall, so having all monuments full AND having at least 5 maxed titles will get you a rainbow phoenix. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 22:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh, what's this KOABD statue and what do you define with "full"? (all mini's?) I'm trying to find out about it on the wiki but I can't find it. --User Karasu sig.png Karasu (talk) 22:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
The statue behind your titles (the big blue thing), it gets an additional piece when all five monuments are filled with as much crap as they can display and as your KOABD title goes up, so people with a full monument and KOABD 1 will have the same statue as people with KOABD 2 and a non-full hall. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 22:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
That's very interesting. Is it new since the update then? We should revise the article (and i'm going to collect some stuff xD) --User Karasu sig.png Karasu (talk) 22:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if getting the phoenix changed, but the statue always got an extra piece when you filled all your monuments. ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 02:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I wonder if that has been changed to be account based - if when the account view of the HoM has all monuments full, all characters would get one extra piece in the Honor monument. Erasculio 12:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I can confirm it doesn't work. Have 33 on my main with a full hall and went in with a 5 set on account wide and no rainbow phoenix spawned. 76.20.238.253 14:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

(RI) Ok, take a look here:

  • To the left, we see the "Honor" statue. It has the shape of the tier 2 rank in the KoaBD title, "People Know Me".
  • At the center, you can see how that character only has five maxed titles, at rank 1 of the KoaBD title.
  • To the right, you can see the "Valor" monument, which currently has only two weapons, so it's not full.
  • And at the bottom, you can see a Rainbow Phoenix. If you pay attention and take a look at the "Resilience" monument, you will see how one of the statues there is for an armor set not available to that character, showing how my HoM is currently set on account view.

Which means,

  1. The look of the "Honor" statue considers whether or not a monument is full based on the current monuments. Doesn't matter if it's account based or character based, as long as one monument is full, it may or not add one extra tier for the statue.
  2. To get the Rainbow Phoenix, the "Honor" statue has to show at least its second tier (the one linked to the "People Know Me" title).
  3. In order to make the "Honor" statue to show its second tier, usually linked to PKM, you may have only "People Know Me" and have four monuments filled; if the "Valor" monument has not been filled but the others have, the "Honor" statue will gain an extra rank.

Hence why people have a Rainbow Phoenix without PKM and without a full HoM. Erasculio 16:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but this won't work without People Know Me. I just finished testing your descriptions. My HoM has 4 displays filled up (2 left, 1 middle, 1 right) as well as the weapon display started with one weapon. The Statue still displays my rank 1 tier and getting more deytroyer weapons to fill up the 5th monument will be not only expensive but a waste of weaponry, too - since I can only put one or two of them to good use and would have to trash the rest, as they look horrible anyway. I can just assume you mean one has to fill up ALL FIVE monument displays.. which makes no sense at all, considering that will take much more time and ingame money than just getting PKM. I could arrange some of those pictures, too, if I bought the pet and went into the hall. Don't confuse people into spending that much ingame money, please. I just happened to spend over 100k for those minipets and even bought one of the most ugly elite armors just to test this - and to notice it just doesn't work as described here. --Golgarit Raven 15:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Heh, nice to see GWW:AGF being thrown from the window like that. The picture above could not have been taken by buying the phoenix with Zaishen points - notice how you can see the Valor monument almost empty AND the Honor statue showing the second rank. Your waste of gold isn't really my concern. Erasculio 23:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe this worked once, yet now it does certainly not work (any more). I won't check if it works when you got 11 weapons on display since that would be too costly. The Statue won't change to tier 2 when one has 4 of 5 monuments filled up, that's sure. --Golgarit Raven 10:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Back again just to add...I have a totally full HoM when set to account wide across all chars. If I take an r1 KoaBD in there (only 5 max) the Rainbow Phoenix will spawn. I tested this with 2 different spare KoaBD's I've got and it works for both of them so Erasculio is right you can get it without having PKM. 76.20.238.253 02:18, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Sure, if your account has already unlocked it, you will get it. Still doen't change the fact that you need 5, not 4 monuments filled to initially(!) unlock that bird, as this whole section is about unlocking the bird for the first time on an account. If you've unlocked it for the first time all other characters can get it much easier, using the menagerie, and won't have to fill their HoM in the first place. --Golgarit Raven 08:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I can't confirm or deny the last bit unless I buy another GW account since my testing is already tainted. Either way its kind of ridiculous that its been cheapened as a reward but then again this is only PvE we're talking about (and they could use balth to get it anyways). 76.20.238.253 14:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Sure, but only if you went to PvP for a long long time beforehand.. a new account can hold most 10k balth, the bird costs 80k ;) So concluding.. new accounts need rank 2 or all mnuments filled in display, so it remains kinda hard to get a hold of it. --Golgarit Raven 15:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
All monuments filled? You need to have 10 maxed titles, that's not close to all monuments filled, and not that difficult to achieve in pve. --Wyn's Talk page Wyn 15:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
It's about without rank 2.. then it's rank 1 plus all monuments. ^^ --Golgarit Raven 16:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

(RI) Riiiiiight. Let's see...

  • Here you can see my Hall of Heroes. That character...
    • As seen on the image, has only "Kind of a Big Deal".
    • Is a Paragon/Warrior, so she could not possibly have her own Rainbow Phoenix with her.
    • Has only four weapons on the "Valor" monument, so it's clearly not full.
    • Has a "Honor" statue showing its second rank.
    • Is standing across the room from an untamed Rainbow Phoenix.
  • Here is a closer look at the "Valor" monument. Only four weapons. Notice how the target is still the untamed Rainbow Phoenix.
  • Here is a closer look at the "Honor" monument. Notice the shape of the Honor statue, and how the Rainbow Phoenix below it is just a Rainbow Phoenix, not a "Pet - Rainbow Phoenix". Which means, that could not be a pet from the Menagerie.
  • And here we have a different character, without any rank in the KoaBD title, showing her Hall of Heroes with the Honor statue at rank 1.

Thus, Golgarit is wrong. Erasculio 17:37, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

The one that's missing is the one shot of the account.. which I guess has manages r2 or all monuments plus r1 already. I can show you ingame that this isn't enough if you've not unlocked that bird already, just msg me. --Golgarit Raven 19:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
You can't show us it's not enough in game, given how the Rainbow Phoenix only appears in your Hall of Heroes if you are alone. Plus, the Honor statue does not really add between characters; I have more than 15 titles maxed between all my characters on my account, but the Honor statue only changed for my entire account when I completed the Devotion monument. Erasculio 20:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Showeable is the HoM, so you can see the setup. I've got one character owning 9 max titles and that's it. The other 2 chars have no maxed out titles at all. 20 minipets, 5 armors, lots of statues and all heroes as well as pets in the hall, plus the one destroyer bow. So either some titles accountwide are added up for tier 2 or something other is fishy in that calculation. Still 9 titles and 4 monuments filled on one account are not enough. Maybe you maxed more account-wide titles? Cause I got only character-based titles maxed out so far - those account-wide titles are retty hard to come by, so I skipped them. It's got to be something after all that's different. check this --Golgarit Raven 22:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
If u look at Erasculio first picture, in the armor display, there is elite canthan and marhans grotto armor there. that doesnt make sense.98.226.21.68

I am in the same boat as Golgarit Raven. I have 8 maxed titles, 4 of 5 monuments full (all 5 have tapestries), and no phoenix. That is why I originally changed the wiki info. All information I can find on Guru, the Unofficial Wiki, and other pages of the official Wiki (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hall_of_Monuments scroll down to the section on the allies), all say you must have all five monuments filled to get the phoenix without PKM. Honestly Erasculio I am not trying to attack you or accuse you of lying. I just do not know why it seems to work for you and not for others, and would like to figure out what is different for us. Uktra06 02:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Just to confirm. I have 20 pets, 11 destroyer weapons, 5 heros, 5 elite armors, and 5 achievements, all displayed. I also have Koabd rank 1. When I enter my Hall of Monuments with only myself in the party I do indeed have a Rainbow Phoenix. riotproof --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.15.108.75 (talk).

Sure you do. So you got all 5 Monuments filled. Yet in the text it still reads "4 Monuments filled" as the requirement, which is still wrong. --Golgarit Raven 11:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Adding my own data, in confirmation of Erasculio's. My ranger has 10+ titles maxed and has a rainbow phoenix in his HoM, but has never charmed it (my emotional attachment to my pet is too high). My mesmer has 6 titles maxed. My HoM is not maxed, neither on a character or account basis (as of the April update I owned 2 Destroyer weapons). When my mesmer entered the hall after the update she found a rainbow phoenix. I had not unlocked the phoenix via the menagerie prior to this.
I don't know why it works for me and Erasculio and not for other people. Still, I think there should be a note on the page stating that the exact mechanics are currently unknown, rather than stating as truth something that apparently isn't true for all accounts. Scutilla 23:09, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
ok so I know this has been said before, but I got a ton of stuff in my hall of monuments >30points and the Koabd title. From my personal experience putting a black widow spider monument up triggers some sort of weird requirement. Just a hunch though. Mine DEFINITIVELY appeared after I brought a widow into the HoM.
Just got my Koabd and have 4 monuments filled, he's in my hall waiting to be capped 64.179.184.194 18:41, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Account wide hall spawning?[edit]

Does the Rainbow Phoenix spawn if I have KoaBD r1, and have, for example, 10 minis dedicated with one char, and the another 10 with second char, one set of armor with each of five characters and one destroyer weapon for each of 11 characters etc(you get the point..)? Vazde 11:00, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

im sorry but i dont know, and i have problems of my own like, i dont know what points i need for the title that i need for the phoenix? --Zyree 14:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

no it doesnt work that way. in order to spawn the requirements must be met on one char, and then only that char can get the rainbow phoenix. if you want one on another char you have to meet the requirements again. if you do what you're suggesting, it's not considered a full HoM on any of your chars. Daeheru 17:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Or get it in the Hall of Monuments with one character then use the Zaishen Menagerie to get them for your other characters. -- User Gordon Ecker sig.png Gordon Ecker (talk) 03:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Yer I was going to try and do this on my warrior... I have enough elite armor accross all my chars and I was going to fill up the racks with destroyer weapons... from everything I have read I'm gonna have to dish out for a few more warrior armor sets to fill that instead of letting the account wide do it... If ya following what I'm saying I'll let ya know the results in a few weeks after I gather the funds... MrPaladin talk 13:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Has anybody thought that one monument counted as one maxed title, so any combination of titles and monuments that added up to 10 would work?

I have four maxed in the HoM and have 5 titles maxed and I spawned the Rainbow Phoenix. This is also account wide, so I can confirm that you do not need all of the stuff for the HoM on a single character. 5+4 also does not equal 10 for the above poster. 71.129.51.88 01:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Also, can we change the: "has also filled most of the five monuments" to has filled 4 out of 5 of the monuments. I only have two destroyed weapons displayed; I cannot confirm though that it can spawn without and destroyer/tormented weapons. 71.129.51.88 02:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I can confirm with my ranger, that account-wide accomplishments do contribute to the spawning of the RP. On my ranger I have KoaBD Honor, Fellowship, and Devotion filled. Only 1 armor for Resilience, full on account wide. I have 6 weapons, 1 Destroyer 5 Oppressor for valor. Upon adding my 6th weapon, exiting & reentering the HoM my Phoenix was there. However, switching to Personal causes the Phoenix not to appear. So my conclusion: must have KoaBD, fill 4 1/2 monuments. IE: full Honor, Fellowship, Devotion, Resilience, + 6 weapons in valor = spawn. Its too bad you can't get this for heroes though...my IWP Gwen would love this guy lol. Moonstar/ 11:31, 20 November 2010 (EST)
Same result here. With the Hall set to account-wide I have all but 1 of the monuments filled (tapastries on all) and get the phoenix. When I switch to personal it removes 3 armors, meaning I'm down to 3/5 monuments filled and no phoenix. 109.158.12.177 14:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

destroyer weps?[edit]

hey does the pheonix spawn if i have everything i need on one char except the weapons...but i have all 11 throughout my account? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:98.150.27.87 (talk).

Read through the entire walls of text discussing this. So far, thats a "no-maybe". Titani User Titani Ertan Sig2.jpg Ertan 10:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
From all my understanding thats a no, you need at least 1 character with a full hall to get the HoM to "Bump" your KoaBD statue up a level MrPaladin talk 12:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
oh so i have 20 mini's shown and 5 in everything else and 7 destroyer weaps...and koabd title...and i have a rainbow pheonix in my HoM...i dont have anything else on any other char except for some armor...but i havnt filled everything....soo uhh yea i guess it doesnt have to be filled, i have a screen shot but idk how to put it on here X_X AurenX 02:53, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
First, please, sign your comments using ~~~~.
Second, you upload photos using the Upload file link. See the "search" box on your left? See 2 small boxes under it? In the second one, "toolbox", there is an option called Upload file, but you need to sign up in order for the image to be valid. Titani User Titani Ertan Sig2.jpg Ertan 15:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

uhhm...guys, i've just entered my hom and i found a rainbow phoenix, the strange thing is that i only have KoaBD. my HoM is not full. all monuments are full, except the weapon's one which is 6/11. is this a bug? or what? ps: i don't have the missing weapons on any other character.--93.40.51.95 17:56, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

ok sry i forgot to sign my comment last tim lol umm yea this is it...i only have 7/11 of the destroyer weps but i still have the rainbow phoenix there User AurenX Phoenix2.jpg --AurenX 02:48, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank god (or whoever) for your luck, and make another picture (with the right name) that shows KoaDB in the hero panel. Sonic the CHESS NAZI Sunday User Da Sonic Sig2.png 02:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
so yea is it a glitch thats going to be taken out or are the rest not needed?....AurenX 22:03, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Rainbow Phoenix Monuments KOABD.jpg >taken from above> "KOABD (9 titles) w/ all the tapestries | ~47 minis | 23 statues | 6 sets of armor | 8/11 weapons"

Took this a while ago. Markus ClouserUser Markus Clouser signature img.jpg 09:12, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

im guessing if your overflowing in some not all of another need to be filled....AurenX 01:17, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

So, I just tonight got my KOABD title, went straight to my hall and have a rainbow pheonix. All monuments are full except for weapons...only 2 destroyer weps there. I can confirm then that you do not need the full hall and KOABD. The minimum is at least KOABD and 4/5 full with at leats weapons not needing to be full. My guess would be that ANET may have lowered the requirements for it.03:02, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

this might have been fixed, not sure but on my paragon i have 20+ minis displayed, 5 titles maxed, 16 achievements to display under honor, 11 hero armors (including black moa) to display under fellowship 5 armors using account wide (one is elite kurzick so no actual armor set for it) and 3 weapons on display (one is tormented) and theres no rainbow phoenix, my HOM also shows that i have rank 2 in KOABD(the statue is sticking out of the wall a bit) --211.26.218.142 07:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

It's not fixed, I have 6 titles maxed, Everything full except weapons (1 destroyer staff) Yet, it spawned today.. I was like wtf :D:D --Devuna 11:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Just got my Phoenix yesterday, i have 5 max titles, 21 miniatures, 7 companions, 14 middle title things, 5 sets of armor, and 6 weapons. Sonic Tuesday User Da Sonic Sig2.png 13:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Found it just now...I hadn't changed my HoM at all since the last time I had been in, I was just entering with a Black Widow for the statue. Every display of mine is filled except the weapon monument, which has 3 weapons.
I'm supremely confused. -- ķ̌ɎǾshĺ User Kyoshi sig.png 23:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Bah, I'm also stupid. I was entering with heroes before because I was too lazy to remove them from my party. So I don't even know when it started to show up. =/ -- ķ̌ɎǾshĺ User Kyoshi sig.png 23:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Phoenix not showing up[edit]

My HoM is full when in account wide mode (all destroyer weapons, 5 armors, KoaBD, maximum amount of miniatures on display, 5 statues on companionship, all tapestries), but the phoenix isn't showing up. I am alone and do not already have a pet. Not sure if it's important, but none of my monuments were filled with a single character. For example, I put two elite armors with ranger, two elite armors with warrior and one elite armor with paragon, and a few destroyer weps with each of my characters. Phoenix still not there. What gives ? User MadSkillz1o1 sig2.PNG MadSkillz1o1 17:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Do you have "Kind of a Big Deal" and did you enter the hall alone? (on a side note your last edit was +666, maybe you jsut got some bad mojo) 192.203.160.241 17:13, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
whoops, perhaps I should read... I donno what ya may be missing.. .the conditions for the phoenix were always flaky to me, I ended up getting a "People Know Me"... But when you go in check the state of the large statue and see if it appears to be level 2... 192.203.160.241 17:25, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
are you using an assassin/dervish/ritualist/paragon and have armor on display for armor that has no artwork for that class (elite kurz/luxon for paragon/dervish) because i cant get my phoenix to display only thing im missing is max weapons but people are saying you dont need it maxed..

I have the same issue- KoaBD, 5 tapestries, no other party members, and all I get is Gwen bickering with Thackeray. Wintersday glitch? 68.59.126.206 07:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Likely not a Wintersday glitch, as it does show up for me while G&T are talking. G R E E N E R 07:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Menagerie appearances for ineligible toons[edit]

The Rainbow Phoenix appears in the menagerie once unlocked, as if it's any other pet. However, before the menagerie existed, ANet went to some trouble to make it impossible for any toons short of high enough HoM/max-title ranks to charm one. I suspect that they accidentally made it easier to get this pet.

Since it's normal mechanics for pets, but unusual for the R. Phoenix... I believe that we should list it as anomalous on both this page and the charmable animal/pet page.

This is a glass half-full/empty situation and I can see the other point of view. So, if we do decide to remove the anomalous classification, let's at least note in trivia the historical fact that it used to be much harder to get them.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

It's not really an anomaly when they also explicitly provided a way to unlock it for every character on the account (and that way is more expensive than it is for "normal" pets.) An anomaly is generally something that is atypical for the game, not just something they changed. The reason other characters could not get it before was there was really no tie between characters' pets on the same account. The Menagerie did not exist. You generally couldn't start out with a level 20 pet either. It's not an anomaly. It's exactly how the Menagerie is supposed to work. -- Amazing Goat 05:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I wasn't disagreeing with how the menagerie is supposed to work. It appears to me that ANet made a major change to how difficult it used to be to acquire this as a pet. Typically, they make a big deal when they do something like that, so... this seemed weird to me. However, I have to agree with you that, looking at it as a new player would (post-Menagerie), the only strange thing is how odd the spawning process is for he phoenix, not the other way around.
You did the right thing removing the anomaly over my objections. I apologize for getting in the way (however briefly). (As noted above, I still think it's worth a trivia note about the historical difficulty.)  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 00:54, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
The Menagerie is just wrong... Having a Rainbow Phoenix used to mean something, I (and many others) worked hard to get it, raise it, pet it, feed it, hug it, love it etc. and now the Menagerie just "sells" this beauty for petty cash :( This is the sole reason I shall never enter that place of pure evil! (Dont get me wrong, the idea to store your pets is actually pretty good.) Imo there should be prereq's again for some of the pets (like the Black Widow), to be able to buy them, like having the PKM title, having finished UW, or something equal. To get back to the point, it's just too easy to get exotic pets like the Rainbow Phoenix these days, the trivia note should be there, even though I think its more than trivial. (KILL MementoMori 03:12, 31 December 2010 (UTC))
Too easy? You still need to get the title requirement at least once in order to unlock it - what happens if you choose to max 10 account wide titles?. Choosing to use zaishen coins or faction will take just as long (if not longer) to do this. I think it's just as hard as it always was.207.216.235.240 19:49, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
It might not be easy now, but the old way was objectively much harder: each toon had to earn 10 max titles (or 5 + something we never quite figured out). In contrast, you can earn more than enough zoins (7500) by completing all missions in the game in Hard Mode (earning 7992 zoins and just 4 titles). It's easier still for those with multiple toons; they can focus on short-time/high-yield mish (e.g. ATFH or Imp Sanct).
Whether that counts as too easy is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I prefer more things in the game to be challenging so that if I manage to succeed, it means something more (to me) than that I was able to grind away for hours.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:23, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Account-wide accomplishments appear sufficient[edit]

I was trying to get this phoenix for ages.. I had my hall almost full (in account accomplishments), except the weapons.

Today I added 9 Weapons and checked my Hall =D (ACCOUNT WIDE) -->

User Vizer Gw017.jpg User Vizer Gw018.jpg

In the next picture you can see my personal achievments, 3 monuments are NOT full (15 minis, 2 armors, 10 weapons)

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Vizer 10:41, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I've confirmed the same behavior (although you might have to rezone after switching modes to see the difference). – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:43, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I just got to KoaBD today and the phoenix spawned with 4/5 displays full (Valor was partial) in account mode, 3/5 in char mode. [1] (Party Animal was what got me to KoaBD so that title hadn't been added when the phoenix started spawning, but everything else was there.) 67.246.60.56 01:24, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

"Kind of a Big Deal" + HoM Points[edit]

I'm aware of a lot of discussion here about what are the specific requirements needed for the Rainbow Pheonix to spawn while only having the "Kind of a Big Deal" title but has anyone actually thought that maybe the requirement is not how "filled" out a tapestry is, instead it is based on how many Hall of Monument points have been accumulated so far? From the discussions so far, I tried adding up the points of individuals who have spawned the Rainbow Pheonix and it seems they have had at least 30 HoM points. I'm not saying that this is conclusive but maybe some testing can be used to find out whether this is the case? (Maou Dante 16:57, 8 May 2012 (UTC))

The Rainbow Phoenix spawned long before the creation of the HoM calculator. The HoM Score will be correlated (since more statues means more points), but it can't be the primary reason. Also, 10 max titles is always enough to spawn the phoenix, so there's something more complicated going on than a simple count.
The reason the wiki cannot be sure of what's needed to spawn the pet with only 5 titles is that it's hard to test conditions. The only way to do it is to rezone to the HoM alone every time there's a new statue and point out what changed before the animal spawned. This would have to be repeated across several characters, to test whether it was tapestries or number of statues or at least 5 statues per monument or whatever. 75.37.16.168 19:30, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
There is nothing to say that the coding of the game did not already have the HoM calculator involved when EoTN first came out, afterall the producers created it in mind to prepare it for GW2; just because the website was released a lot later does not necessary mean the HoM calculator is "new" to the game. Maxing out 10 titles is a sure way to get the pet, but it isn't easy; not everyone has the patience or dedication to do it (even though I think for such a pet they should :P). So what if the developers decided that players don't have to put dedication into only maxing titles but also encourage filling out the other areas of HoM? Again, this is all SPECULATION, I just believe that this could be a possibility, since there is still so much we don't know in regarding the true requirements of spawning this pet with only "KoaBD" title. I agree with you and already long understood on the difficulties of testing, but the point I want to make is that it is worth thinking of the different possibilities, even if we are unable to test them all. Maou Dante 22:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
I was recently at 36/50 in HoM and the rainbow phoenix never spawned. I maxed my last title needed, zoned back into HoM, and the phoenix was there. I find it very unlikely HoM points are in any way connected to our good friend rainbow chicken. EtariP sdrawkcaB ehT 23:38, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Ah ok, thank you for that information :) Maou Dante 00:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Possibly conclusive speculation[edit]

Reading back, I'm noticing a rather simple trend here to get the bird to spawn prior to 10 maxed titles. This trend is simply put: every visually filled monument is +1 maxed title and at least one item must be displayed in every monument. Therefore, r1 (5 maxed titles) + 5 filled monuments = bird, but r1 (5 maxed titles) + 4 filled monuments and 1 empty monument = no bird. Similarly: r1 (7 maxed titles) + 3 filled monuments + 1 item at the other 2 monuments = bird, but r1 (7 maxed titles) + 3 filled monuments - any weapon at Valor = no bird. I know it's possibly too late to verify this, but it seems to apply to all verifiable comments on the talk page.
To rephrase the requirements:

  1. Enters the hall alone (no heroes, henchmen, or other players).
  2. Has all four Monumental Tapestries on display.
  3. Has maxed titles and/or Hall of Monuments progress:
    • Has earned "People Know Me" (10 titles), without any additional prerequisites.
    • Has earned at least "Kind of a Big Deal" (5 titles), filled an amount of monuments equal to the amount of maxed titles short for "People Know Me" and has at least one item on display at any remaining monument when utilizing this method.

That's what I can apply to the talk page consistently, but it doesn't help that a lot of sources have become outdated. Is there *anyone* who can help confirm this information? - Infinite - talk 14:14, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Can a 50/50 be of any help? --Falconeye (talk) 17:00, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Is there really a need for that talk ? One only need to have one character with "People Know Me" which shouldn't be so hard to get compared to these other prerequisite. All other characters can simply go to the Zaishen Menagerie.--Ruine User Ruine Eternelle Ruine Eternelle.jpg Eternelle 17:19, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
There is never a need for it, but as a fact-based wiki that hasn't had any conclusion on the exact requirements for the phoenix, it would be nice to finally have a definite list of requirements documented. - Infinite - talk 17:40, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Just tested it. Char has 8 titles maxed and 3 maxed out monuments (the three left ones). Entered w/o any heroes, henchmen, other players: No phoenix.
@FE: Since you'd need fewer than 10 maxed titles I'd say no. Unless you were thinking of something else? Steve1 (talk) 18:39, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
And do you have at least 1 item in both the remaining two monuments? - Infinite - talk 19:43, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Oh, right. I never bothered to get any prestige armour at all.
Well, maybe I get some later. Later as in "in a few weeks or months". ;) Steve1 (talk) 20:48, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Try to get one in there before getting r2 KoaBD for research's sake! :D - Infinite - talk 21:45, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
My data point from 3 years ago wrecks your theory:
    • No Rainbow Phoenix: 50 minipets (At least one of each rarity), 10 heroes/pets (Animal Companion, Black Moa, Black Widow, Imperial Phoenix, Gwen, Zhed, Master of Whispers, Livia, Tahlkora and MOX), 5 armors (Marhan's Grotto Elite Armor, Elite Luxon, Ancient, Primeval and Vabbian), 2 weapons (Oppressors Longbow and Destroyer Recurve Bow), 11 Statues (Protector and Hero x3, Conquerer of SF and FoW, Gladiator (at rank 3), Tyrian Skill Hunter and Eternal Survivor). This puts me at Kind of a Big Deal, 5 titles maxed. My Honor tabard is at the second level (the golden statue is barely sticking out). I have 35 points in the HoM-calculator, thus, 32 points in-game
    • Rainbow Phoenix: All of the above, plus a Oppresor's Schythe. This single addition from 2 to 3 weapons raised my Honor statue/momument to the third level.
From this I'd like to believe that the Honor monument/statue is what governs the Rainbow Phoenix spawning. Has anyone ever tried entering the hall as "People Know Me" without adding anything? How would the Honor monument look in this case? Rudi (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
I had to read until your second instance to see your point. Are you 100% sure you did not have 6 titles maxed at that point in time? - Infinite - talk 15:29, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Aye, still only 5 titles maxed. :P Rudi (talk) 22:01, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Screenshot: [2] Rudi (talk) 22:07, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, actually, that's a good thing to look into. Maybe 3 weapons at Valor is the breakpoint, instead of 1. There *has* to be a clear-cut requirement for the phoenix when using r1, out there somewhere. - Infinite - talk 01:06, 4 June 2015 (UTC)