Template talk:Skill icon
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GWW:NAMING states that skill icons should be png but a lot are jpg, is there anyway of editing this template to show png if it's there, if not jpg, if not display the link to upload the png version MafooUK 19:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Change in size[edit]
Since this template is used alot inline and not only at the start of the line, it causes alot of line height disruption and text mess. We have a 19px limit on signature images to avoid the same problem, but this one is 25px. I suggest that we change this template to have a 19px icon to make it less irritating when used inline. (I would prefer to not use it in text at all, and sparingly in lists, but if we insist on using it in text we could at least make it less "disruptive") - anja 
10:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Having it as 19px looks fine to me. I don't like using it within text either, but making it smaller would be better than it is now, seeing as it is used like that on some pages already. --
Brains12 17:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Changing it to 19px would be fine with me too. As to the issue with using it in text, while I neither like nor dislike it's use, changing it to 19px would at least make it less disruptive. --Kakarot
17:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Changing it is fine with me as well. I also agree that it's use inline is disruptive all by itself, but maybe making it so small that it's virtually unidentifiable will also serve to discourage it's use.--
Wynthyst 17:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- I would prefer not using skill icons in text over resizing the image. If we resize we should at least choose an even size to maintain the correct ratio. poke | talk 18:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- 16px would be the next whole ratio. Also what's wrong with having a 3.3684210526315789473684210526316 ration Poke. --Kakarot 18:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- I am also not opposed to changing it to 19px, it does disrupt the text at times and this could possibly help (I am neutral with Kakarot on whether it should be used on text or not) --Shadowphoenix
18:39, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Kakarot: Imagine you have 12 pixels, you try to resize them to 6, so for each two pixels you use the middle color of them for the new pixel, so you get a clear 6px image (2D here.. :P). Now imagine you want to resize the 12 pixels to 5... You see? That is a big quality loss. poke | talk 19:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Damn I forgot to add ":p" to my last comment but I knew your reasons for mentioning it :) --Kakarot 19:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Damn I forgot to add ":p" to my last comment but I knew your reasons for mentioning it :) --Kakarot
- Kakarot: Imagine you have 12 pixels, you try to resize them to 6, so for each two pixels you use the middle color of them for the new pixel, so you get a clear 6px image (2D here.. :P). Now imagine you want to resize the 12 pixels to 5... You see? That is a big quality loss. poke | talk 19:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- I am also not opposed to changing it to 19px, it does disrupt the text at times and this could possibly help (I am neutral with Kakarot on whether it should be used on text or not) --Shadowphoenix
- 16px would be the next whole ratio. Also what's wrong with having a 3.3684210526315789473684210526316 ration Poke. --Kakarot
- I would prefer not using skill icons in text over resizing the image. If we resize we should at least choose an even size to maintain the correct ratio. poke | talk 18:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- Changing it is fine with me as well. I also agree that it's use inline is disruptive all by itself, but maybe making it so small that it's virtually unidentifiable will also serve to discourage it's use.--
- Changing it to 19px would be fine with me too. As to the issue with using it in text, while I neither like nor dislike it's use, changing it to 19px would at least make it less disruptive. --Kakarot
- Go for it. — ク Eloc 貢 01:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Seems like I'm the only one who mainly disagrees. I personally find their use inline to be inappropriate and I tend to edit an article to remove its use in such a manner whenever I come across it. It was meant to be used in a list, not inline. Reducing it to 19px makes it too small to be of any real "recognisable" value. Like so
If an inline use of an icon is still desirable, I'd suggest creating a different template for it. One that puts the icon behind the skill name, similar to how {{gold}}, {{plat}}, and the crafting materials are generally used. -- ab.er.rant 
02:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- You are not the only one that disagrees with their use ab er rant, it's just it seems to be a user thing, and yes, we can go around editing them all out, just to have them all put right back.-- Wynthyst 02:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Not if it gets decided to remove them completely in those situations Wyn, after seeing Ab.er's example above of what they would look like I'd be inclined to remove them completely since they would actually have to be set to 16px for the reason Poke mentioned:
so it would be even harder to tell the difference. --Kakarot 03:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Not if it gets decided to remove them completely in those situations Wyn, after seeing Ab.er's example above of what they would look like I'd be inclined to remove them completely since they would actually have to be set to 16px for the reason Poke mentioned:
- You are not the only one that disagrees with their use ab er rant, it's just it seems to be a user thing, and yes, we can go around editing them all out, just to have them all put right back.--
- Seems like I'm the only one who mainly disagrees. I personally find their use inline to be inappropriate and I tend to edit an article to remove its use in such a manner whenever I come across it. It was meant to be used in a list, not inline. Reducing it to 19px makes it too small to be of any real "recognisable" value. Like so
- Actually, Aberrant, I agree with you. This was only a try to have some kind of middle ground. The last time I brought this up most people seemed to be in favor of having the icons EVERYWHERE (sorry, they irritate me alot, these icons :P). I just thought a smaller size could be a nice compromise. If we can get an agreement to not use this template inline and in text, I'm alot happier. (edit) Energy denial is one of those cases where it's hard to determine when to use it. It's a list, but those icons in the text are disturbing, to me. Use some, none, all? - anja
07:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, Aberrant, I agree with you. This was only a try to have some kind of middle ground. The last time I brought this up most people seemed to be in favor of having the icons EVERYWHERE (sorry, they irritate me alot, these icons :P). I just thought a smaller size could be a nice compromise. If we can get an agreement to not use this template inline and in text, I'm alot happier. (edit) Energy denial is one of those cases where it's hard to determine when to use it. It's a list, but those icons in the text are disturbing, to me. Use some, none, all? - anja
- I agree with everything. Backsword 10:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Why not use it in texts if the template no longer enlarges the lines? And I don't really have big problems recognizing 19px instead of 25px icons. I also don't see a quality loss if set to 19 instead of 16, but maybe i'm blind. —Zerpha
The Improver 11:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- For me, the image disturbs the natural flow of the text when used in-line. It's harder to read with this template than without. I think it should only be used in list form at the beginning of the line; otherwise, simply link the skill. The article Anja mentioned should just have links rather than this template. -- Brains12 11:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, ok. I don't really have problems reading with little icons between, and i like then there as it helps recognizing the skill. But in case the bigger part of ppl has problems with it, i suppose it should be removed. Silly me, i used this template several times before on notes when refering to other skills. I'll remove it when i see them the next time... :( —ZerphaThe Improver 14:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, ok. I don't really have problems reading with little icons between, and i like then there as it helps recognizing the skill. But in case the bigger part of ppl has problems with it, i suppose it should be removed. Silly me, i used this template several times before on notes when refering to other skills. I'll remove it when i see them the next time... :( —Zerpha
- For me, the image disturbs the natural flow of the text when used in-line. It's harder to read with this template than without. I think it should only be used in list form at the beginning of the line; otherwise, simply link the skill. The article Anja mentioned should just have links rather than this template. --
- Could we add a 3rd parameter like do something like {{skill icon|"skill name"|19px}}? — ク Eloc 貢 01:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- Just no :P
- I think we can agree that we simply refrain from using this template inline in future. poke | talk 08:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- I don't think we can agree on that until more people have responded, actually. :P As I said, alot of people really wanted to use it the last time I asked. Where can we post so it's more visible? - anja 09:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- As it is already on RFC, everybody who does not post, automatically accepts that we won't use this template in-text in future. (bolded to give it more attention :P) - or, let's make a guideline/policy about it! poke | talk 09:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- When was this "the last time" Anja? I don't remember something like that.... or I'm getting old :D -- ab.er.rant 03:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- Might have been a couple of months ago, and probably not on a prominent place. I think it was on a page like energy denial, or a game updates talk page. I wont drag this on another month just because of that, since I didn't even agree with them :P Just wanted to make sure we aren't rushing this.
On a related note, what is inline and what is not? If you check energy denial, it is a list with a few names inside the text. Should we keep all, remove all or just remove icons inside text (what do you think)? - anja 07:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- Just a note to poke: something being on RFC does not mean that anyone who doesn't post implicitly agrees. As with any other wiki policy, anyone is free to object to something at some time in the future; that doesn't mean it'll automatically be reverted but one does not "give up" their right to future objection simply because they did not comment earlier.
(Aiiane - talk - contribs) 15:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- Might have been a couple of months ago, and probably not on a prominent place. I think it was on a page like energy denial, or a game updates talk page. I wont drag this on another month just because of that, since I didn't even agree with them :P Just wanted to make sure we aren't rushing this.
- I don't think we can agree on that until more people have responded, actually. :P As I said, alot of people really wanted to use it the last time I asked. Where can we post so it's more visible? - anja
- Why not use it in texts if the template no longer enlarges the lines? And I don't really have big problems recognizing 19px instead of 25px icons. I also don't see a quality loss if set to 19 instead of 16, but maybe i'm blind. —Zerpha
idea for pvp skill icons[edit]
what would you think about a template like {{monster skill icon}}? Or adding a second parameter to that template for pvp skills? (e.g. sth like that) This way we wouldn't need to upload the same icons again for the pvp versions of those skills. —Zerpha
The Improver 00:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
