File talk:Beautiful Pendant.jpg

Why?

Why are those needed? Titani Ertan 09:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Because then you can see how the items looks in 3D, strange question. Magamdy 08:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Why would you want to do that? Titani Ertan 08:52, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Because people like to. --Arduin 09:23, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

People also like explosions, robots and boobs. That's what the Transformers movies are for. 3D images of crap are for 4chan. Titani Ertan 09:29, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

You won't find explosions, robots, boobs and transformers on this wiki, so stfu. Magamdy 10:14, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

First, take a deep breath and a hot cup of choco/coffee/water/whatever does it to you. Then, stop PA and answer this: Why would anyone want to see a 3D picture of what already exists, and bring no use what so ever. Titani Ertan 21:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Because they find it interesting and want to see it it more detail... Magamdy 15:57, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

You know, it exists inside the game. Titani Ertan 15:57, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Then why not delete every sinlge picture then? Everything on this wiki excists in the game. And if you don't apreciate what i'm doing, just don't look at it. Magamdy 16:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Umm, no. What would the wiki be without Armor, weapon, skill, NPC, heroes(...) pictures? I just think that 2 copies of the same thing, no matter if it's in 3D, 2D or NintendoDS, is very redundant. The point is to delete redundant images, that don't contribute anything. Titani Ertan 16:05, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean with copies? Magamdy 16:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

is this image, just in a different angle. Putting two of the same pictures in the Beautiful Pendant page, or the Beautiful Pearl or the others, is just a waste of space, is redundant and doesn't accumulate to anything. Titani Ertan 16:12, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

No, the first image shows the icon of the item that you see in the inventory, the render shows the model of the icon. And on a professional wiki like this i will not call that redunrant, it just makes the page more complete. Magamdy 16:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

The first image shows the inventory icon. The second one shows how it is in-game with a white background. I find it obsolete, since you can't use it for anything, like you can for say Long Sword. Titani Ertan 16:20, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, I DO think you can use it for something, and I don't find it obsolete, so i hope you can respect my opinion about this and this marks the end of our discussion. Magamdy 16:27, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I won't mark this the end until you tell me what use it can bring. I can say the same thing to you: I hope you can respect my opinion about this and this marks the image for deletion. Titani Ertan 16:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

If this bothers you this much Titani, take it to Admin noticeboard or something. Otherwise, let Magamdy upload his/her pictures if he/she enjoys it. --Arduin 16:32, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Why do you want to delete my images? I actually try to contribute something to this wiki, btw i'm a he =3 Magamdy 16:35, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I don't think the Admit Noticeboard has a place to discuss a small group of pictures. And I want to delete the images because they are redundant, obsolete, contribute next to nothing but extending the length of the pages at times or making it disturbing to the eye. And unless I get an answer what is the use of those images, I'll tag it to deletion. Titani Ertan 16:37, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

It's not about a small group if[sic] pictures, it's about two people not reaching a consensus over something. As in:

• Mediation requests between users should only be made if a resolution could not be reached between users.

I am a member of the Inventory Icons Project. Having those icons on the wiki has no purpose either, but still lots of people find it contributing. Also, blatantly tagging Magamdy's images for deletion is not helpful to this discussion.--Arduin 16:44, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Then bring it to sysop discretion if you like. If people like to contribute useless pictures, something should be done. Titani Ertan 16:47, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Why do you care? Just leave me and my images. There probaly are people who DO respect my work! Magamdy 16:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

While we're at it, can you tell me why we tag anything for deletion? Yeah, that's the reason. And something else: If I vandalize the main page, people will appreciate my work. Does it make it worthwhile, not-obsolete, useful, etc? Titani Ertan 17:13, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

No, cuz only dumb people appreciate vandalising. And vandalising the main page is not usefull. Uploading images of items that are carefully rendered with the hand, and add extra information about a page and make it look more professional, IS usefull. So yes, it makes it worthwhile. Magamdy 17:20, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

How is duplicating an image answering any of that? Titani Ertan 18:14, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

O please, do't start over again! It is NOT a duplicate!

I won't if you give me 1 use for this, since it doesn't make an article any better. As said before over and over, this doesn't contribute anything. Titani Ertan 18:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

lol -_- Here you got 1 reason. You can now see how to image looks in 2d on the inventory icon, and in 3d on this image. So that's 1 reason. Btw your the only one complaining about these images, saying there....rendurant. What makes you think that 3D images of items are rendurant? Well, I gave you 1 reason (again) so now plz go and stalk somebody else, cuz I'm sick of you and your ridiculous reasons to delete this. Because you don't like this, it doesn't give you the reason to actually delete it. -- A very angry Magamdy 06:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

If you're going to tag this for deletion, then you may as well tag things like the Champagne Popper render that Emily did for deletion for exactly those reasons. It's not particularly useful but neither is it particularly harmful. Why the massive fuss? Jennalee 11:05, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Seriously, Titani's right, these images are useless and don't contribute anything. - Reanimated X 11:30, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I hear an echo. To me, those images are Like Capitalizing Every First Letter: It's Not Contributing Anything, It's Not Harmful, but it's still distracting, redundant, obsolete and only makes the page longer. I strongly feel like there should only be 1 image per item, more if there are special ways to see it or hidden stuff, like Demonic Aegis or Exalted Aegis. Titani Ertan 11:41, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

-.- It's not a freaking duplicate! Why can't you just leave it be? "Because it doesn't contribute anything to the wiki"? Well he is trying to contribute things to the wiki. There are plenty of other crap on the wiki that contributes less than this (i.e. useless posts/images in user talk pages). You don't get your way so you run off to try and get a sysop to help you, and even when the sysop says you need to reach a consensus, you decide to tag it for deletion anyway? Why are you causing such a huge fuss over this? People are trying to help, just like you go around tagging images other people are adding images. Instead of complaining on the talk page of an image, take it up to guidelines or something and request for comments, so more people can have input. ~Celestia 11:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

The difference is that this image is in the Main-space, and user images are in user-space. I tagged for deletion, but Speedy from obvious reasons (just look at this page!). Also, trying to contribute something doesn't mean he should get cuddled and caressed and not given the same treatment as any other user. Trying to contribute is good and healthy, but your contributions aren't always in place.

I requested Auron's help because I thought it was up to some sysop discretion (which it wasn't). If I knew where to put this discussion so that it will be in the right place, I would. Titani Ertan 12:06, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Lol, the whole wiki (except Celestia) has gone crazy. What is wrong with these images? There a lot of this kind of images on the wiki, and they don't get atgged for deletion! There have been there for 2 years, and i upload this one and people immediatly tag it for fucking deletion, goddammit. Disturibng for the eye? Puh... I really can't understand all the hustle and bustle around this one image, and it makes me very angry and sad. I this gets deleted I just uplaod it again and I don't care what people say about it. Instead of deleting things that people make in there spare time, go contribute something yourself, instead of messing up some discussion. -- Magamdy 13:06, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) x2 Reuploading a deleted image may result in a temporary ban. P.S. Please don't act like 4 year old that didn't get it's way. - Reanimated X 13:11, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

You guys don't even LISTEN to me, I gave you multiple reasons, why this is not obsolote and still you tag it for deletion because it is your opinion that this is rendurant. Magamdy 13:18, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Quite to the contrary, the only argument you gave such far is that this image makes the page more "complete". You have yet to say why or how. The reason I do this on this page and not on others is because, well, this is the first time I see such an incident. If it were someone else or a different picture, I would have done the same. Titani Ertan 13:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Why? I said that at the very beginnig of the discussion. Bescause some people find it interesting to see the model of the image, thus seeing it in 3d, thus seeing it the way it is seen in Guild Wars itself. How? What how? By left clicking the image, you can see it in it's full size and you can see all the details. Magamdy 13:29, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

You cancel yourself out. As you have stated, this item exists inside the game, and so uploading a version where it is exactly how it is like in the game when the inventory icon already exists is useless.

Read the sentence before the "How". Titani Ertan 13:35, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

stop tagging this for deletion until the discussion is done Titani, what ur saying now is just complete bullshit, every image on this wiki shows something that excist in the game that's obvious. If you say an image of something that excists in the game is rendurant, then you could as well delete all the images of weapons, monsters, armors etc. because they too excist in the game. And this is a wiki about a game, so it is made to contain images excatly as they are in game. Magamdy 13:44, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I have already replied to that. I do not intend to repeat myself yet again. Titani Ertan 13:46, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Then why do you want me to repeat myself another 10 times? Magamdy 13:48, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

"Umm, no. What would the wiki be without Armor, weapon, skill, NPC, heroes(...) pictures? I just think that 2 copies of the same thing, no matter if it's in 3D, 2D or NintendoDS, is very redundant. The point is to delete redundant images, that don't contribute anything." — Just above. You chose to repeat the same things, when I (for one) thought were already dismissed. Titani Ertan 13:51, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, because your coming up the same stupid arguments to delete this. Btw i brought this to the Requests for Comments section. And what gives you the privilege to delete this page because you find it rendurant. Other people find it very interesting. Magamdy 13:54, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I have that privilege as a User on this wiki. Also, nice exaggeration and facts. Titani Ertan 14:00, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Whats wrong with my facts? Your facts aren't any better. You just say: This is a duplicate file If this file would have EXACTLY like this, THEN it would be a duplicate. THIS is a totally different file, or are you blind? I'm trying to contribute to this wiki, and there are people who will enjoy things like this. Deleting things because a few persons think it isn't needed is wrong. Magamdy 14:05, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I think it is an interesting idea to have 3D images of items. I suspect that lore enthusiasts especially might find it useful, they like to watch out for small details. :3 Nectarines 14:08, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Nice [...] facts is a response to Other people find it very interesting. And here again: Why do you read the most simplified and literal way possible? This is a duplicate file isn't supposed to be taken all literally; I wrote that to indicate that they are very similar. Trying to contribute to this Wiki is good, but sometimes it's not in place. One last note: People will be able to enjoy any sort of edit or image. If a "few people" will want it deleted and will get negated, nothing will get deleted. Ever.

EDIT: If you want, you can open a gallery of 3D images. But as stands now, this shouldn't clug the pages existing. Just like the HD versions of skill icons aren't put into the skill pages alongside the .jpg versions. Titani Ertan 14:12, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

HD images of skills is a totally different thing. I enjoy working with photoshop, so let me upload my images. This is not disturbing for the eye, it is eyecandy, to say it so. People will find this interesting. Plz don't keep things from people who are interested, just because you aren't. A gallery? That would contain way too much images, it is just obvious to place them on the same page of the item there intended to fit with. Magamdy 14:17, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

No, they are entirely the same. I have no problem what-so-ever about you uploading your images, but I think that they should go to your User space instead of contributing nothing on the Main-space. A gallery would fit your description, as it is useless to put the 3D image versions of items on their article, but can prove useful for the few people who are interested in such things. As such, I strongly urge to either delete this image or move it to your user-space. Titani Ertan 14:22, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

They don't look the same. One is a simplified image you get in inventory space and the other one is an image of how it actually looks on the ground. Nectarines 14:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Since you can't wield the Beautiful Pendant or show it off, what use would that bring? You don't get any information from it. Titani Ertan 14:25, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Just to see how the other version of it looks, out of curiosity. :D Nectarines 15:01, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

For the things that only individuals would be interested in, there should be a gallery+category; but it shouldn't clug the pages. Titani Ertan 15:08, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Then why is there a "render = " in the item infobox if not for images like these? --JonTheMon 15:16, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Enough now. Titani and Magamdy, please both refrain from using personal attacks to prove your point. Reanimated X, don't spread weird rumors like being banned for reuploading something previously deleted.

The image – and that can be simply proven by looking at it – different from the inventory icon. So any arguments about it being a duplicate of the inventory icon are simply false. A different thing however is if it's useful or not. Arguments like "you can see it in-game" are stupid as well because we are here to document the game, not to tell people to play the game to see everything theirselves. Documenting the game includes – at least in my understanding – that we make pictures/screenshots of things how they look in-game. And I think a render gives the best possible quality for that. Also note that we have very many items, including quest-items and trophies, with renders. It really makes no sense to delete this one just because it looks more similar to the inventory icon than others.

Titani, I am quite surprised that you are wasting your time with this senseless discussion. It is not that we safe up anything by deleting this image. Not even the name because <Item name>.jpg filenames are usually reserved for renders (like this one). I suggest you simply stop it now. poke | talk 15:50, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, poke. --Arduin 16:31, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree. While you may say it doesn't add anything, does it hurt anything? It's an alternative image to the dat icon. Big whoop. So much fuss over something so trivial. I think Magamdy has been doing a great job with good results. -- Wyn talk 16:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Tnx for everyone's support in this discussion, though i think it is ridiculous that such a problem is made of this. I never thought, when uploading this file, it would lead to such a discussion (although it was an interesting experience :D). I hope this marks the end of it, cuz i don't feel like continuing with it. I really need to go and farm something T.T. I still like rendering stuff, but I don't know if i dare to upload any more of these types of images :\ Magamdy 17:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

IMO this discussion should be moved to Guild Wars Wiki talk:Formatting/Items, since it's about the use of item renders in general. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 08:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, but how do I have to that then? Just cut and paste? Magamdy 15:04, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't see how this image is really 'useful'. Just so long as I see what the image looks like, is fine for me. Wouldn't bother me if it was 3d 2d or what not. So, Neutral on this. ♥ Ariyen ♀ 09:30, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Quality

What's with the light (very light) blue around the object in the image? Something from photoshop? -- FreedomBound 16:40, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

No this image was done with Paint. Made this before I used photoshop. Magamdy 16:47, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: Yes it's done with photoshop :D Magamdy 06:42, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey.

Since you've been asking about your signature, i'll ask something as well.
What kind of signature image should i upload? Or if you want, upload anything you want over here :D - J.P.Talk 18:05, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Did I ask about my signiature? Wow, there are a lot of things in this world I still dont know :\ --Magamdy 18:14, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Why the hell i post this here? XD - J.P.Talk 18:30, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

tl;dr

magamdy, did you ever give proof that other people actually want to view these in 3d or are you just doing this for yourself -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 14:15, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

If it helps you, Armond, I like having renders for items, yes. And from the discussion above I see other peoples agreeing with keeping this image, too. poke | talk 15:51, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Tnx poke, but yes Armond, I said that i like working with photshop, so i thought; Why not make renders for items. But it seems a few people have some problems with it. Magamdy 16:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

You won't find explosions, robots, boobs and transformers on this wiki, so stfu

Um, yeah.Explosions, Robots, Boobs, Transformers.personn5 16:13, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

-.- You know what I mean with it Magamdy 17:01, 22 September 2009 (UTC)