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-- (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 04:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

So how would you say, you say your name? Is it i-ane? or ee-ane? or ane? I just don't know! :) --Lemming64 01:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Either "i-ann", or "ayane", I usually tend to use the former but I don't mind the latter and for a lot of people that's more natural to the way their language would pronounce it. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 01:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Lol, I've been wondering about this too. Good thing I usually read it as "i-ann" :) -- ab.er.rant 02:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification :) --Lemming64 06:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I know it's a bit of topic necromancy, but I just wanted to say I think of it as Ay-an-ee, is that waht you meant by "ayane"? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Ebany Salmonderiel .

"ayane" = "i-ya-nei". First syllable is a long I sound, last syllable is a long A. Emphasis is on the second syllable. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 21:31, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Palette-based guild formatting

Dear Aiiane, if palette-based formatting is what we're planning to consider for future use, could you please add the color palette I'm using on my guild's page into your fg and bg sandboxes? I'm pretty confident no one will have objections against these colors as they perfectly harmonize with each other and create absolutely no difficulties for the reader. The page background color I'd like to see included is: #002336 (dark teal) and the color of the foreground font is: #93CFF1 (sea-blue). Thank you. Dmitri Fatkin 01:29, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I personally happen to find the dark box on the otherwise bright-white wiki page rather painful. At the moment I deal with it, but I can't honestly say I like the color scheme choice; and I would not wish it to be part of an accepted palette. If there is considerable support for it to be added, I'm sure it will be, but I hope you understand my hesitation in that regard. I would highly prefer an accepted palette to stick with dark-on-light color schemes. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 01:37, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore, since the palettes are designed to be independent of one another, it's quite possible that your proposed background color would (and does) conflict with more than one other option in the foreground palette, and vice versa. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 01:39, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

It's always possible to make the font / background colors conflict with each other, it's just a matter of bad taste. :)
Personally, I've based my coloring scheme on this expert designer's color choice. Such palettes aren't my invention, I've seen dozens of them here are there. This color scheme looks familiar, eh? :) (yep, dark palettes ftw!) Dmitri Fatkin 02:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

The difference between here and wowwiki is that wowwiki's entire color scheme is dark. None of the colors in fg conflict with a white background, and none of the colors in bg conflict with black text, which is their intended use. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 02:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

And if one will want to mix them (use both bg and fg), or you aren't planning to allow such combinations at all? Dmitri Fatkin 02:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you missed the note on the actual discussion page? From Guild Wars Wiki talk:Guild_pages/draft 052508#Palette-based formatting.3F - For example: "Page authors may, if they wish, modify either the background color of a page or the foreground (text) color, but not both. Non-default colors must be chosen from either the foreground or background palettes corresponding to the element which is being changed." (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 02:27, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Add "within reason" somewhere in there before I go off to make a page for my guild and make the foreground color white and/or bright yellow. -- Armond Warblade 03:03, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Armond, you missed the part about palettes. You couldn't choose "bright yellow" as an option because it wouldn't be in the foreground palette. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 03:05, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Aww! -- Armond Warblade 03:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps I have hoped for the better, anyway, the whole restriction is a very warm welcome to: "you're not allowed to do this'n'that" ghetto. :) I wonder who enlightened you the page background should be either white or some other thing that looks as a 1996 bulletin board, I would call that a perfect illusion of choice.

Try considering this, to your heart: "I do not wish to see the required templates customized, but after going through so many of the guild pages, there are some design styles that I do really like, that I think allowing for a 3 color palette rather than 2 might make easier. I have been trying to find an example to link but basically they are the ones that use the dark 'bar' for the subheadings on a white background. I think offering a background color, a font color, or a highlight color might make that kind of page design better, the ones I've seen that stick in my mind have been using white text on a maroon bar for the subheadings, black text on white for the rest of the page." -- Wynthyst 22:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC). Dmitri Fatkin 03:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

There is a difference; at least to me; between allowing it for headings alone and allowing it for the entire page. --Kakarot 04:05, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Correct. I have no issue with dark-color headings, they're not the majority of the page. Dmitri, the reason for wanting page backgrounds to be white or a light color is because that's what the overall wiki theme is. It's not about "I hate light colors", it's "the entirety of the site is white, including large portions which show on guild pages as white no matter what". (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 04:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Can we have some more light color options added then please? And personally, I find this background color to be very annoying. Dmitri Fatkin 04:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

The palette in my userspace was just an example of a palette, it is by no means finalized. I'd prefer if you would take discussion of changes to it to the same page on which it was originally being discussed, or on the talk page of the palette itself, instead of my talk page. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 05:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Dmitri, if you are in fact going to quote me, you need to add the rest of it where I provided an example, and it is for a LAYOUT, not a color. "Found one :D Guild:Apostles Of The Risen Phoenix--Wyn's Talk page Wynthyst 22:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)" I also have a serious problem with the dark background pages such as yours, especially with the choice of colors for your text, it's very difficult to read, and as Aiiane points out, it clashes with the overall skin of GWW.-- Wynthyst 05:18, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Please check the new background of my guild's page, is it something I should stick with? Dmitri Fatkin 05:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Assuming you change the links back to their proper color? Sure, go for it. You don't have to use that particular color if you don't want to, but it'd be acceptable contrast-wise. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 05:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

There's a bunch of pages to edit, but I'll manage to do that :) The color of the links is to be decided yet, it has to agree with that background color, at any rate, I don't feel like we need a guideline for the color of the links! They weren't changed simply because I haven't saved the new template as Notepad text yet. Dmitri Fatkin 06:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

The comment about the links was more of a side comment, I doubt they'll be mandated.. more just the kind of thing that someone would probably drop a helpful tip to the page author if they're not readable. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 06:04, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

He accused me of deleting his comments and I did look to find out who was doing it to tell to stop. When I found out it was just himself re-posting over himself and blaming me for it, I felt that it was fair to point that out to him. Perhaps the *dies laughing* wasn't the most conducive comment in the world but it was hardly baiting considering the groundless accusations in the first place and my genuine intent to help stop whoever was deleting his comments. -- Salome 10:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

In general, "ROFL" and "*dies laughing*" are hardly necessarily, and their presence there only serves to create dislike in the eyes of the reader, so why would you put them there if not to incite a response? Last I looked, laughing at someone wasn't considered a friendly action.

Respond with facts and/or helpfulness, or don't respond at all. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 10:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

As said in my previous comment the bulk of my comment was informative, in that it pointed out it was him who was reverting over himself. Thus being helpful, as for ROFL and *dies laughing*, considering he blamed me for it in the first instance, I thought it was apt, maybe not conducive but apt. I admit that in hindsight it probably wasn't the most progressive but then neither is baseless accusations as to my behavior on the wiki. I may not be the most calm of all the wiki users but one thing that no one can accuse me of is vandalizing other peoples pages. -- Salome 10:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Quid pro quo doesn't fly here Salome, you should know better than that. Regardless of what another user is doing, you shouldn't be adding stuff like that to comments. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 10:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

It was hardly tit-for-tat Aiiane. In regards to baseless accusations, I actually think my response of "ROFL" is rather mild. As I've already said, I've admitted it wasn't the most conducive comment in the whole wide world, but I think you're stretching some if your trying to say it was in anyway an attempt at Quid pro quo. And ALL of us have said the occasional inappropriate thing while dealing with an offensive user who is aiming baseless accusations at us, now haven't we Aiiane? -- Salome 10:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Which doesn't mean we should. Mild or not, it shouldn't have been there. You think I didn't get called out for the occasional such comment? (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 11:01, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

While I do agree that the "ROFL" and *dies laughing* may not have been the best things to use given the circumstances, I get the feeling that Salome was genuinely trying to help until the other user called him annoying. Not that any one side was right here, but I'm just saying that that's what I got from the situation. Kokuou 11:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm merely pointing out, that speaking from experience here, if one starts to become annoyed when attempting to help someone, one should let things go for a bit rather than continuing to struggle and getting upset. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 11:07, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

A point with which I am in total agreeance. (That's right, I said 'agreeance'.) Kokuou 11:11, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Salome, Aiiane (rightly) pointed out that your comment came across as more inflammatory than helpful. This does not make you a horrible person, nor is anyone trying to say it does, but nonetheless it is something you should endeavor to avoid. Take the advice for what it is and take a breath. - Tanetris 11:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll be honest, I was just getting all hurt and upset about Aiianes comments. I respect Aiiane alot and I think that's why the slight telling off, which was completely valid, just upset me. I really have to learn to stop being so emotional. (i have the same problem at work too, the amount of times I end up crying in the toilets is just a bit laughable) -- Salome 11:21, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hey there

Thanks for the nice comment on my user page. I must say, I really enjoy your contributions on the pages I've visited. Not only are you friendly and helpful, you also have a real knack for defusing difficult situations. Even though I've been using the wiki for a few months now I still feel like a noob to all of this. Thank you for helping to make the wiki a more informative and friendly place. -Kim Chase 17:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Glad to be of assistance. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 18:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Assssin hero and Assassin hero

Is it safe to tag these redirects either R2 or R3? I'm not sure which. I only say tag them because there is another assassin hero out there, and it could be misleading. Needed a second opinion, as I've never tagged anything R2 or R3 before....>.< -- Wandering Traveler 05:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd tag the first for R2; the second should probably be made into a {{disambig}} page. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 05:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I'll go ahead and do that. Thanks :) -- Wandering Traveler 05:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

Sorry about that edit, I'm new to the wiki and didn't realize I deleted that, if you could restore that for me I'd be very thankful. Baddock

It was already restored before I left the message. :) (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 01:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clock

according to this, you were the one that implemented the great idea of that anon. Tyvm :D —ZerphaThe Improver 20:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Poke helped too. :) (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 20:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

ok :) —ZerphaThe Improver 20:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Noticeboard comment

Don't have to go hysterical accusation on me. "Typically one would have a sense of what they think is being done wrong before they report someone here... the noticeboard isn't a witchhunt." Aiiane I know your being blunt but thats very rude. I know this is going to turn into a don't get offended to easily but tone down the rudeness. Thanks. I'm not 2 years old. I though the noticeboard would be a place where I could get a honest question globaly answered but it turned into a place that I've nearly gotten NPA. (again) Dominator Matrix 07:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Calm down, you've edited the same paragraph on my page 4 times in under 15 minutes. :) The reply on the noticeboard wasn't meant as a "hysterical accusation", simply a reminder that the noticeboard is meant to be something to call sysop attention to something specific, and you hadn't specified anything. Where did I imply you were "2 years old"? I would have given the same answer to anyone who posted a report that vague on the noticeboard.

If it helps, general questions are probably better left on the talk page for the noticeboard, rather than the noticeboard itself - saving the noticeboard for reports of actual incidents, and using the talk page for more general queries, makes it easier for sysops to tell when there's an urgent situation as opposed to something that is just seeking input. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 08:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Well in both cases that user could be alarmed at the question, and ask why he/she is being questioned. It seems that I'm asking a question no sysops here wants to answer. Why does it seems like you don't care anymore? Not part of your job, or your responsibility -- or is it just to hard to continue to be nice? It's in my nature to be like this, though I need to control it (and thats another time/place) Dominator Matrix 08:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

The only person who posted at all on the noticeboard after you stated the actual question was Gordon. You posted the question less than 30 minutes ago, yet you state that "no one" wants to answer it? I think you're losing your patience a little. Again, calm down, take things slowly. It's a quiet time of night on the wiki, and even during more active periods it sometimes takes hours for everyone to weigh in.

If you'd like my answer, however, I'd be glad to help: There is ample precedent for combining topics on talk pages if they're related; topics are moved from talk page to talk page all the time, and headers edited, if it serves the purposes of the wiki. Archiving others' pages has typically been treated as a matter of tolerance - it's permitted as long as the corresponding user doesn't have a problem with it. Policy is somewhat lenient in its wording on the matter, so it's mostly been treated as a common-sense kind of thing - respect the wishes of the user for whom the page exists. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 08:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Error on my part. Failed to explain (and realise) that I've wanted to say that for so long. And those kind of edits seem like policy should be there as well: Archiving 3 different pages, merging them, and calling it a day. Its bad as you could easly lost track of things that way. And I feel like i'll have to do this a million times over -- I apologize for my anger, it was not warranted. I'm normally calm but as I explained before has a low tolerance for people/users with high rights (in any shape or form). Dominator Matrix 08:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

To be fair, the IP user did archive their own talk page (well, as much as an IP can claim ownership of a talk page) in with the actual Corsair article. Not sure if that's allowed or not. I also left a not explaining that it could be considered rude to archive other's pages. Kokuou 08:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

As theres no order, what happened were, or what belonged to where. Dominator Matrix 08:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict x3) (this is a bit off topic) For some reason Dom, your recent actions seem oddly familar. You seem to be taking a similar course of action towards things that I did up until a few weeks ago. I suggest you go work on something else for a bit and get your mind off the wiki. I am not suggesting you leave, still log on and check your talk page etc., but just stay away from your normal editing for about 2 weeks or so. Now, back on topic; I personally did not find Aiiane's comment rude as it was pointing out the "lack of info" that you put. Additionally, the low tolerance towards the "powers that be" (pun intended) never turns out good; try keeping your stance on issues but with a bit more tolerance towards the admins. --Shadowphoenix 08:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Seems like it's more something that should be fixed then, Dom, and mentioned to the user as being confusing; but not something that's an explicit violation of policy - like Gordon said, a bad edit made in good faith. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 08:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Ok. Dominator Matrix 08:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't if this helps at all but "Typically one would have a sense of what they think is being done wrong before they report someone here..." <-- That confused me. And was slightly rude. "the noticeboard isn't a witchhunt." Consused me more but with the other section seems like your implying that a) im either dum or b) not realising my actions. or c) im here to just gather attention. To aviod this in the future (to all syops/users), be keen on what you say -- think "could this be persived of being rude?". And reword it. What you could have said is "This better suited for the talk page, moving". That would have been more worded nicely and seen as a way to learn from. So next time I or any other user knows where to put it. Pretty much what I mean is assume worse case senerio. Hope that helps! Dominator Matrix 10:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Revert

I disagree with your revert on Guild Wars 2: The Status Quo, Aiiane. Instead of insisting on your corrections you should rather help to keep the original meaning if it is not understandable in english. It still should be a translation of the original text and it isn't one when the original meaning is not maintained. poke | talk 11:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Poke, to be the best of my knowledge the original meaning is maintained, if not the original wording. Some of the changes you reverted detract from the meaning; sometimes in translation it's necessary to take a few liberties to maintain meaning rather than literal wording, because two languages have different ways of expressing the same concept. As the note you added yourself said, it's a paraphrase of the article, not a word-for-word translation. If people wanted the latter, they could use Babelfish or the like. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 15:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Translation is a tricky beast, and there are several valid arguments on both sides of the 'direct translation vs. semantic translation' fence. When untrained individuals translate, one of the biggest and first mistakes they make is translating too subjectively; that is, they read into the meaning too liberally and begin to add things that weren't in the original text. Translating too literally, however, can sometimes leave the finished product lacking in comprehensibility and sounding awkward. It's a very fine line, and both methods are used depending on the purpose of the final product. In terms of this article, I'd suggest erring on the side of literal meaning rather than trying to read into the context. After all, we're after the facts presented in the article, not someones subjective interpretation. (Wait a minute, maybe ArenaNet has a transcript of the actual interview in English? Jeff Strain doesn't speak German, does he?) Kokuou 11:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

We've been constantly revising the translation to try to get closer and closer to that balance, Kokuou. One of the advantages of a wiki format is that it allows us to keep refining that. :) If you look at the timing of poke's original comment, a few hours later we collaborated together and systematically worked through the document to try to resolve some of the discrepancies. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 15:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

For the Chilling Victory edit. What can I say, Ive been having a bad night so far with my edits :P Gogey 00:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. That's the point of the wiki, so everyone else can catch the things each of us miss. :) (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 03:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] not sure if this is the right place...

I need a little help. Long story short i put something in the wrong place and only now about a week later when i went back to check realized its in the wrong place. The thing i misplaced was in User talk:Regina Buenaobra/Journal (#24 pet info) when i wanted to put it in plain old User talk:Regina Buenaobra. Im not really sure how to fix this and some help would be appreciated. Thank you in Advance. EDIT: forgot to sign Mashav 10:44, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Just edit the page (using the Edit tab at the top), remove the text, then go to the real page you wanted to put it on and insert it there. While generally you shouldn't remove text from talk pages, we make exceptions for things like moving comments from one page to another, especially if the location was an accident. :) (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 15:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] thanks

for reverting the vandalism. Didn't notice that one yet :P —ZerphaThe Improver 12:51, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Guild Page?

Hey Aiiane, could you take a look at the article Puurhollands? From what I'm seeing in the article, its a guild page, but I'm hesitant to move it because I dont' think its possible to have one-word guild names. Not knowing what language its in doesnt help either >.<. Any ideas? -- Wandering Traveler 15:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

It's Dutch (the language spoken in the Netherlands, as referenced by "the NL guild"). You are correct that it's a guild page, it has been moved to the appropriate page name. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 15:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. And....on a second note, do you know anyone that speaks Polish, of curiosity? o.O -- Wandering Traveler 15:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Um, not off the top of my head. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 15:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Dang, ok then. Thanks though ^.^ -- Wandering Traveler 15:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)