Help:Ask a game question/Archive2009 11 1-15

On board card problem

Alright I'm having a graphical issue with Guild Wars I just can't seem to fix... I was using a NVIDIA GTX 260 to play Guild Wars but it up and died and now I'm using my on board NVIDIA 7100. When I launch Guild Wars it opens as should but only displays in the top left corner of my monitor. It's very frustrating and I obviously can't play the game which is annoying in itself. I've managed to change the game resolution to the monitor resolution that I'm currently using (1024x768) and that hasn't fixed the issue. Any ideas? I would greatly appreciate it --24.91.224.142 21:14, 31 October 2009 (UTC)Freeman

Did you try completely uninstalling your old graphic drivers, and installing the proper drivers for your card? Check Nvidia's website. Keep in mind that they no longer support the 7 series, so you'll have to search through the legacy drivers. Actually scratch that, they still support it, they just don't MAKE them -_-. — Poki#3 (talk) 00:26, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

killing enemies but not gainin experience points

I just noticed that im killing enemies but it says i gain 0xp after every enemy i kill. Why is this? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 173.62.201.73 (talk).

See Experience. You don't receive experience if you kill an enemy that is 6 levels lower than your character. --Silver Edge 22:46, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

-windowed

The client refuses to open windowed even if I use the -windowed command line. Solutions? — Balistic 00:44, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Depends on the operating system you're using. -- riyen ♥ 01:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Try just using -w or alternatively pressing alt+enter while in fullscreen. King Neoterikos 01:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Also check to make sure it's not got -wmc or something similar already at the end. When I changed to Vista, it automatically added that onto the end for whatever reason, and I couldn't get it to be in windowed mode to save my life, until I deleted that thing. --Dragon Nataku 14:33, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Its always full screen when I opened it (even if I use -windowed/-w it's still full screen). On Vista. I always have to alt+enter ): — Balistic 03:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

slots

How many character slots Can you buy? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.1.250.46 (talk • contribs) at 08:47, 1 November 2009 (UTC).

Taken from their Faq. "The maximum number of character slots that can be purchased from the Guild Wars In-Game Store is 26" -- riyen ♥ 08:55, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

My Question/s and small request

→ moved from Help:Ask a wiki question

How do you obtain and where do you get Vangaurd Reputation Points from? Why does it cost so much to get Norn armor and weapons? How much longer will it be before GW 2 becomes available for purchase? I'm so addicted to this game. Can you help me with some ingame gold, I could use about 500,000? LOL, thanks for your time and patience. Sean M. Conner, Faithfull GW player. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 97.80.37.254 (talk).

• See Ebon Vanguard rank#Acquisition.
• All EoTN armors, same as all Elite armors, are expensive just for bragging rights (or just for the looks).
• GW2 will be available once it becomes available, amd we will know once it is ready.
• No, we can't. Kill things and sell things like everyone else. (Zaishen Challenge Quests are a good way to get money for the farm-challenged people).--Fighterdoken 00:02, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

storage boxes

how do i use storage boxes--89.240.244.104 13:10, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm assuming you're talking about Xunlai Storage chests. If you're creating a Prophecies character, you won't have access until you leave Pre-Searing. If you're creating characters in other campaigns, you need to talk to the nice lady standing by the chest and give her some money. -- FreedomBound 13:32, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

where i find pumpkin hat?

i think you get pumpkin hat in guild wars now where can i find it please respond quickly thx Edward 16:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

You don't "find" it. The Pumpkin Crown had 2 versions in 2005 and 2006 Halloween, and you can't get them anymore.-- anguard 16:35, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

i dont want pumpkin crown i want a pumpkin hat where do i find it plz Edward 16:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Are you talking about the effect from a Squash Serum? -- FreedomBound 16:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Gaw, beat me to it.-- anguard 16:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Cross campaign question

Hey peoples, quick question.

Are you able to do quests from another campaign in a city or town from BEFORE the place you landed?

Like something from say, Ascalon City in Proph with a char from Factions.

No. You can do quests only from Lion's Arch forward. You can go back and do the missions to gain your protector title, but you will not earn any gold or XP from them. -- Wyn talk 00:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

And be prepared to do a lot of walking. -- FreedomBound 00:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

none

how do i get rid of bonus items? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.23.15.185 (talk).

Drag them to the little trashbin icon in the topright corner of your inventory screen. - Mini Me talk 21:08, 3 November 2009

which overpowers the other

i have a dervish with daggers doing FIRE damage but i use avatar of grenth

does avatar of grenth's "your attacks deal cold damage" text overpower my fire??? --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.238.156.183 (talk).

Only while you are using Avatar of Grenth, when you are not then your daggers will do fire damage, also you need to sign your comments by 4 ~. Simzy 01:27, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

So heres a question. Using a feiry weapon with Avatar of grenth and conjure ice = win or you need conjure flame? --Ok Dont Panic 01:35, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Skills > base mechanics. While Grenth is up, your weapon will deal cold damage (unless another skill effect is changing that.) ~Shard 01:56, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Avatar = Dervish; Daggers = Assassin; Conjure = Elementalist. That's 3 professions so it's a bad idea. And Like it saw said, Skills take priority, so it's Ice as long as the Avatar is active, and Fire otherwise. — Poki#3 (talk) 12:25, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Why would you use Fiery Daggers anyway? --Sam6555 12:50, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

The conjure question may have been hypothetical, or he was using daggers for the double strike chance because dervish have a lot of melee attack skills that don't require a specific weapon, i think.. -/- Discuss 13:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Purely hypothetical ;) just couldnt remember how it worked. i Guess then haveing Grenth then another skill ON TOP of that making it earth damage would then require an ebon weapon? :P or is that just messing around too much?--Ok Dont Panic 16:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

The choice whether to use a elemental weapon mod, or a element changing skill largely depends on what you think is better for your current build. If you mod a weapon, you're giving up Zelous and Vamp mods. Skill on the other hand, take up a skill slot, and often don't last 100% of the time and/or can be stripped. With elemental damage you also have to take into consideration that you'll be doing less damage to Rangers and monsters with resistances to that element, and more damage to Warriors and monsters with a weakness. As far as multiple skills go, It probably depends on the order you cast them with, but that's more then unpractical. — Poki#3 (talk) 16:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Henchmen

Why isn't there an Assassin henchman in the Raisu Palace and Imperial Sanctum outposts? --Piippo 17:23, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Because the developers chose not to put one there. Probably because the Assassin celestial skill is fairly OP. -- Wyn talk 17:26, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Frozen Image and Wonky Graphics

Since around Halloween, Guild Wars has been periodically freezing up for no apparent reason. My screen's image will freeze in one single frame, but the audio continues to function as it normally does. This condition can only be rectified by minimizing the game and immediately restoring it.

So that's been going on for about five days, and just this afternoon I encountered another problem. As I was struggling through The Floodplain of Mahnkelon, I first noticed that the game was freezing itself for often than usual. Then, when I encountered some Kuskale, the game just all of a sudden started freaking out! The health bars turned white, ground turned into a sea of little white squares, and all the characters were different squares of varying size and color. Amidst all this chaos, my screen continued to freeze periodically. I was in panic, for obvious reasons, immediately closed the game.

So then I grabbed my discs and reinstalled the entire game. Once I had done that, I went back to The Floodplain of Mahnkelon, only to discover that absolutely nothing had changed. The screen still froze, and the Kuskale still made my graphics go insane. I ran a quick Virus Scan to no avail, and then retried in the hopes of getting a screenshot of the strange visual effects, at least. This time, however, I couldn't even get to the Kuskale: my game completely froze and I was forced to restart my computer just as I was leaving Moddok Crevice.

In case it matters, these problems have only arisen while playing the Nightfall campaign. Prophecies and Factions don't cause any problems, even in the crowded LA districts. However, Halloween in Kamadan was troublesome, with the repeated image freezing.

So here I am. Do you guys have any idea as to what's going on? I might have something unplugged somewhere, or my video card might be wearing out. If it's the latter, I have no idea how or where to get another one, or even what to ask for. 70.130.33.173 01:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Nightfall and EotN have a higher graphics requirement than factions and prophecies did. Problem will probably be resolved with a new comp, depending on what you're running gws on now. 76.103.242.232 01:38, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

If prophecies and factions don't give you these errors, your video card isn't malfunctioning, but it is probably too old to handle the newer chapters. Have you tried turning down some of your graphics options? ~Shard 01:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like he just started having this problem, so I'd say it's a video card dying or general overheating. By chance has your computer gotten quieter or louder recently? Fans dying can cause exactly what you're describing, because the video card or other internal component is getting too hot. -- FreedomBound 11:23, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean the noises the computer itself makes or the actual audio? I've never really paid much attention to the noises the computer itself makes, but it seems pretty quiet unless it's reading or burning a disc. The actual audio is just fine.

I haven't been in any Eye of the North areas since this problem arose, purely by coincidence, so I don't know if the trouble would be similar there or not.

If it is either a malfunctioning fan or video card, how would I go about replacing it? I don't know the first thing about a computer's internal workings, and I'd like to avoid spending too much money. Jobless 16-year-olds from tight-budget families don't have much spending money. 70.130.33.173 12:02, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Could you post us your computer specs? Click on Start, the Run and type in "dxdiag" without the quotes. On the 1st screen you'll find your operating system, processor and memory. On the 3rd, the name of the graphics card name. — Poki#3 (talk) 12:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I was referring to the sounds the computer itself makes. You'd notice it if a fan were dying. They generally sound horrible for days before they actually stop spinning. Graphics card prices can vary widely, depending on what kind your pc uses. They are one of the easier things to replace, though. -- FreedomBound 13:12, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay, here are my computer's specs:

OS: Miscrosoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600)

System Manufacturer: Dell Inc

System Model: Dimension C521

BIOS: )Pheonix - Award WorkstationBIOS v6.00PG

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+

Memory: 1022MB RAM

Page file: 757MB used, 1703MB available

DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c

Name: 128MB ATI Radeon X1300

Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.

Chip Type: Radeon X1300 Series

DAC Type: Internal DAC

Approx. Total Memory: 128.0 MB

Current Display Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit)

Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor

At the bottom, it says "No problems found." 70.130.33.173 21:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

It looks like your computer's just beginning to feel its age. Upgrading either the RAM or the graphics card should solve your problem. I recommend the ATi 5750 if you get a card, it's marketed to standard users rather than high-end gamers. Whatever you do, buy from newegg.com if you're in an area they ship to, they generally have the best prices and service. You could also try overclocking some of your hardware to fix the issue, but you should be aware that's risky and totally voids your warranty. –Jette 00:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I can download the game, and view the home and character page perfectly. However it wont load any city....

--72.39.188.173 20:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC)I am able to download the game no problem as well as view both the home screen and characters selection screen perfectly. however once i choose the option to 'play' the game stays at 0%, and if i am lucky it will download 11 files.

What are some of the reasons that this happens? any way to fix it?

Are you sure it's not just loading (downloading) really slowly? Try adding -image to your shortcut to do a full download. de Kooning 20:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

See -image for more information. --Silver Edge 21:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Account hacks

My question is addressed to accounts being hacked. About a year ago my account was hacked and everything was stolen. But not only was everything stolen my main character was also deleted along with all 26 titles. I was offered very little help and the support team seemed cold when addressing my problem. All my hours of game play were lost and it felt like crap not being able to get back what was lost and having support telling me it was my fault. Has Anet made an upgrade yet to help players get back hacked account titles? And if not will there be better support in GW2?

No. You will not ever be able to retrieve deleted characters in GW. We have no idea what will be available/possible in GW2. -- Wyn talk 04:25, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Support can't revert accounts or characters without reverting the whole server. They will however track down whoever did that, and if possible take back the items. They have a list of readied responses to respond to tickets quicker, that doesn't mean they're "cold". — Poki#3 (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

How is a trial supposed to do anything!?

My girlfriend and I wanted to try Guild Wars. We can't invite each other to a party! I can't even ask anyone to invite us to party! Can't chat can't invite, why is this game even a multiplayer demo! So frustrating. Call me when trial accounts can play the game and I'll come back and try it again. Thekarrd 03:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

In Prophecies you begin in an outpost. You both have to be in the same district to party up. Your District List should appear in the upper left corner of your screen. Once you are sure you are in the same district, you should be able to party up. There are no party restrictions on trial-keys. You will be in an area that is restricted to a 2 player party, and is the tutorial area. Once players have left this area (usually around lvl 7) they can not return. So if you have friends who play who are farther than this, they will not be able to play with you. If you are in a different campaign (Factions or Nightfall) new characters begin in an explorable area. You have to proceed to the first outpost before you can join forces. I hope this helps. If not feel free to post more specifics. -- Wyn talk 04:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Trial accounts (at least those made from the website, and not via a trial key) can't party with other trial accounts Wyn. Unfortunately they have a lot of restrictions. These restrictions shouldn't bother a single player, but if someone want's to play with someone else it's more bothersome. Sorry Thekarrd, but these are all measures taken to stop Gold Farmers from using such accounts to lauder money, spam, advertise etc. Sorry you had a negative experience. All I can say is that the full version doesn't have such restrictions, though I know it's not much of a helpful advise. — Poki#3 (talk) 14:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps a Trial account article or a section in the Account article should be created to explain this? --Silver Edge 21:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I was talking about the trial keys that come with each retail game. I didn't realize that the trial accounts through the website were so restricted, as I've never tried one. -- Wyn talk 23:39, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Guild Wars is the most popular single player MMORPG. Not being able to play with people is prepping you for how the full version works. -Auron 23:44, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Skill hunter

Trying for Legenadary Skill Hunter, In Factions I am at 117/120 and NF at 137/140, where are these remaining skills or how do I get these to max? I have checked several times in Wiki and I have all the skills listed so I know I missing something just do what it is. Thanks for any help--Pemerick 19:11, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

It sounds like you are missing 3 core skills. I would suggest a check list to double check what you have. User:Highlander Immortal/Templates/Elites is one of the easiest I know of here on the wiki. If you wish assistance in it's use, please ask. -- Wyn talk 19:15, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I also look at the list of skills by their attribute type, or the big list of elites and check them down one by one much like the template above... Glad to see your close on the titles... MrPaladin † talk 19:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Found a better link for you... check out this list -> http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_of_elite_skills_by_campaign MrPaladin † talk 19:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Guild wars won't load

My Guildwars game won't start up it only gets to connect to Arena net then when it get's to 100% it stops please help --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Rangers Apprentice (talk).

That sounds like a router or firewall problem. -- Wyn talk 18:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

how can i fix my router to get on to guildwars?

It shouldn't be a router issue. Check your firewall settings. If you're on Windows, make sure you check Windows Firewall, your AntiVirus's firewall (assuming it came with one), and any port blockers or other firewalls such as Peer Guardian. ··· Danny Pew Pew 19:19, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

thanks for help but i decide uninstall it and then reinstall and it worked but ty anyway

yo guildwars is REALLY mad at me or something cause now guildwars won't even pop up anymore i don't think reinstalling it will help i need some help again lol

What operating system are you on? ··· Danny Pew Pew 23:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

what do you mean?

-.- What version of Windows are you running? If you can, provide us with your Graphics Card model and Processor model as well. ··· Danny Pew Pew 23:53, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

lol i belive i am running windows vista

Chances are it's got to do with security settings on your computer. I'm gonna go ahead and assume you don't have much experience with the Control Panel, so unless you feel like getting to know the ins-and-outs of the various security programs on your computer, you should probably ask a friend for help or contact Guild Wars or Microsoft support. There's not much we can do here without knowing what firewall programs you're running and whether or not you've unblocked Guild Wars from Windows Firewall. ··· Danny Pew Pew 00:27, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

thanks and i don't have much xp with stuff like this i just havn't played in a week and it gets all weird lol well ty anyway

There's always a chance someone else around here will have a better idea than myself or has experienced the same thing, so it's probably worth checking back from time to time to see if anyone posts anything new. ··· Danny Pew Pew 00:37, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

ok ty

unexplained shutdowns

Hi guys, just wondering if anyone out there might have the same issue as my daughter on GW. For some reason, her computer turns completly off after about 10-15 minutes after loading up and playing the game. Not just a crash to desktop or freeze, but a complete shutdown of her comp. She has to restart and load up the game again. Now for the strange part.... after she reloads and starts her second time, the game runs fine and not a single issue at all. It always happens on her initial load but never on subsequent ones. She is running on the same network as my wife and I use to play on, her settings are the same as my wife's comp (they run vista, I use xp pro), her virus scan is set the same as ours too. I am at a loss for figuring this out. Any suggestion? Pretty much she waits in town till the first shutdown then plays on the reload.

Thanks Ken aka Storm Sunstarr 96.18.169.137 23:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

i don't know how to fix that but my computer has done the same thing for about a month i just wait till it shuts off then i go on and play. Sorry i can't help

Check your Windows Update settings and Scheduled Tasks. Are there any messages at all when you restart the computer? Also, if you preemptively shut down the computer and start it back up, does it function properly? ··· Danny Pew Pew 23:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Not entirely sure if this is a plausible cause, but maybe her .dat file is corrupted? There are several ways to fix this, if that's actually what's wrong with it. You could add -repair to your GuildWars shortcut (see this page for more info). The other solution that I know of could be uninstalling and then reinstalling the game. Other than that, I'm not sure what the problem could be. I hope that helps! --Dragon Nataku 00:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Corrupt .dat files usually won't let the game start or, at worst, throw an error and crash Guild Wars. Uninstall/reinstall is always worth a shot, though. ··· Danny Pew Pew 00:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Nope, no error messages, all updates are done .dat file has been redone ...I am beginning to suspect that Shiro or the Lich has a hand in this  :) Thanks again, Ken 96.18.169.137 00:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

The fan on your video card might not be functioning properly, causing it to overheat. Modern operating systems shut themselves down when they reach a certain temperature. Microsoft has some gadgets that monitor your computer's temperature, and your video card driver might also have something like that. ~Shard 00:58, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure she'd be able to play after the second start-up, then. If you can, try loading up another game that uses DirectX and see what happens. If that doesn't do anything, try opening a program that will try to connect to the internet but doesn't have permissions to do so. It is possible to setup your machine to shut down when it thinks there's a threat, but it isn't usually configured. ··· Danny Pew Pew 21:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

It could be caused by a bad stick of RAM. My computer use to crash occasionally when I was playing games and replacing the RAM fixed my problem. --Silver Edge 04:36, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Camera controls

Holding down middle mouse button and moving mouse makes camera zoom in and out. Is there any way to disable this? 62.241.236.4 13:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes. You can map the center mouse button to some other command in the Options menu (F11). -- FreedomBound 13:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

There's only four actions listed on control options list: [Camera: Free Camera], [Camera: Reverse Camera], [Camera: Zoom in] and [Camera: Zoom out]. None of them is related and there's nothing else to mention Middle mouse button in any of the Options window tabs. 62.241.236.4 17:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Screen Resolution issues

→ moved from Feedback talk:Gaile Gray/Support Issues

Hi. I have a small problem. I have a widescreen laptop which I use as my main GW gaming machine. I checked out all the minimum requirements and seeing as how my machine exceeds them by a wide margin (or so I thought at the time), I decided to start GW in it's maximum resolution. Unfortunately, I found out that my computer doesn't like that, so I tried to reduce the resolution, but this change unfortunately results in a "letterbox slot" effect, with black borders around the screen (this does not carry over into windowed mode). When I further reduced the resolution, it resulted in the letterbox effect being removed, but everything being very grainy. After this little experiment, I figured that the perfect resolution was somewhere between the maximum setting and the lower setting which I tried. Right now, I am able to run the game at maximum resolution with everything except textures set to low, and PPE, V-sync and Antalising off. Don't get me wrong, I still love the game, but I was just wondering, is there any way I can get rid of that annoying letterbox effect? Thanks in advance! --Sageofprofession 05:25, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Is each resolution you've tried the same aspect ratio? And is your laptop's widescreen 16:10 or 16:9? elix Omni 05:33, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

My laptop is 16:10 widescreen. So far, I've tried every resolution, include the 4:3 and the 16:9. The transition between the letterbox to back to full screen occurs at 1400x900. --Sageofprofession 07:52, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Can someone neatly move this to Help:Ask a game question‎?

This isn't a problem with the game, but with your monitor and graphics card settings. Some monitors scale the the image so that they'll preserve the aspect ratio, and won't stretch or squeeze the image. That's a good thing actually, having games run at different aspect rations, and being stretched is really annoying (when circles are not round, and squares aren't... square). LCD monitors also display sharp images only when they are being run at Native Resolutions. You should check what the native resolution of your screen is, and try to always run games in that if possible. For 16:10 screens the most popular is 1680x1050.

Finally, note that in games, the most important thing when it comes to performance is the Graphics Card. If your Laptop has a decent Nvidia or ATI brand card, you should be OK, but if it's an Intel card, then forget playing games. Those cards are made to display text and nothing else -_- — Poki#3 (talk) 17:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I managed to get GW running at 6fps on an integrated Intel chip. Was just enough to get the Wintersday festival caps. :-) Biscuits 00:01, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

This was my life after GW:EN came out and before I bought a new laptop. Intel integrated chipsets make grown gamers cry. --Dragon Nataku 00:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Nice, I feel for you dude. As for my laptop, it's a media laptop that, when I ordered it, I beefed it up to a Crysis-at-medium-settings worthy gaming rig. And yes, I avoided the Intel graphics chipset like the plauge. It's got a Core 2 Duo at 2.6GHz, 4 GB of RAM and a ATI Raedon Mobility 340HD with 256MB of dedicated video ram. @Poki, sorry about the misposting. I took your advice and tried my screen at 1680x1050 for my Windows 7 desktop setting and I got the letterbox effect again, so this has been elevated to Microsoft and my laptop manufacturer's tech support.--Sageofprofession 06:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Try Windowed mode, and just stretch it out across your screen. Full Screen is terrible anyway, imo. ··· Danny Pew Pew 19:41, 16 November 2009 (UTC)