Talk:Flare

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DPS Data[edit]

Full data gathered while Testing Damage per second(DPS)
2,016 Over 62 seconds.
average dps of 32.
Best damage in a single second of 56 at 1 second
Death occurred at 18 seconds
Data collected using the standards written Here.
~ Zero rogue x 08:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused. If the spell's damage is 56 at 12 fire magic, and all standard projectile spells like this one have a .75 second Aftercast delay, isn't it just assumed that the base DPS of this skill is (56/1.75) = 32? I'm okay with your numbers, I'm just wondering if it's worth bothering to list the DPS for every skill? (especially one so simple to calculate without a training dummy as this one is...) --Mystisteel 20:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Im doing all elementalist skills, This is just one of the first. ~ Zero rogue x 21:18, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Right, but for what reason? As I've said in your analysis of MoR, it's quite pointless. Skills are either very easy to calculate, such as this one, or it's completely impossible to list all the right conditions for a spell to be of use (MoR, in which you listed how much damage it does against a single target). I'm not asking you what you're doing, I know that. I'm asking you why in the world are you doing it?
Maybe he is just really, really bored.Old Man Of Ascalon 23:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
It's not that hard, just flare spam the master of damage at the isle of the nameless and he gives the stats, rouge did the same thing. Justing6 22:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I think rogue is making a very good point actually.It shows how low youre damage output actually is when youre WASTING all youre energy on this skill.It needs a buff obviously Lilondra User Lilondra Eviscerate.jpg*gale* 15:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

On a primary mesmer with fast casting 16, the dps is raised to 56. Paddymew 13:04, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

And what if you shorten recharge time with spells? Does it go up, or down? /snarky | 72 User 72 Truly Random.jpg {U|T|C} 14:38, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
If can spam spells more you can deal more damage... isn't it obvious ? Elephant 14:51, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
If you can spam spells, I can deal more damage? Also, by your reasoning, numbers aren't needed for damage calculation, since "it's obvious they will die at some point anyway". I didn't say "ME DOES MORE DAMAGE HURR DURR", I specified the dps. Paddymew 16:55, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
56/(.48+.75) != 56 dps. 24.197.253.243 17:08, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Indeed, more like 45.5. Which is still interesting in that it's better than an Ele with 16 Fire Magic, which is ~39. | 72 User 72 Truly Random.jpg {U|T|C} 18:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I know this is incredibly pointless and has no practical use, but Elemental Attunement + Glyph of Elemental Power would boost Fire Magic to 20 and increase the DPS of flare to 45.7. With Fire Attunement and Aura of Restoration, you'll negate any energy loss. The drawbacks being that you've wasted your elite slot and some other slots and there are much better builds out there. Random Weird Guy 21:43, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Skill icon[edit]

Am i the only one that's seeing a burning flying skull in this pic? —ZerphatalkThe Improver 02:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Let's have a look.

Flare (large).jpg

Sorry, I do not see it. - VanguardUser-VanguardAvatar.PNG 16:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I see it, somewhat. its more looking downwards from my angle, but I see it. I think its just coincidence there. User-Wandering Traveler Sig.png Wandering Traveler 18:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I talked to someone about this before, it's completely unintentional. One can easily make an accidental illusion if you only have so many pixels to work with. 76.235.135.238 23:02, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Huh, imagine that. I never noticed the skull in there >_> NeonCrusader 21:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

*cough Pareidolia cough* -- Salome User salome sig2.png 15:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
I see Jesus in that fireball. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Misery (talk). 15:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
I see Fire in that fireball Lilondra User Lilondra Eviscerate.jpg*gale* 16:38, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
I've seen fire and I've seen rain. Once, at the same time. --Belker 05:30, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Still not seeing it. Vili User talk:Vili 05:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
[[1]]--Acerbity 12:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Won uw in HA with 6 people taking flare, uploading screenie tomorrow 62.140.137.125 22:19, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
not hard if you never used flare =P. Also I don't see a skull.. more like an ugly face. Roflmaomgz 04:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Notes[edit]

"Combines well with Fire Attunement and Aura of Restoration. "

So would every other Fire Magic skill. It's not noteworthy enough to be honest. Using a fire magic skill with another skill that gives you energy for fire magic skill usage is like 1+1 = 2. It's nothing specific to this skill, or even a small group of skills. --User Pling sig.png Brains12 \ talk 18:46, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. The combo allows you to continuously spam it without running out of energy. Something that hasn't been possible until the update. So I find it very relevant to note that. 145.94.74.23 17:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Or you could do something sensible like switch to Dervish and smack shit with your rape stick for twice the damage Flare does and also not run out of energy, plus you don't have to keep pressing a button over and over to do it. Bad combos don't need to be mentioned. --Jette User Jette awesome.png 19:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Just like mending helps mitigate extra damage taken while frenzy heal sigging, so it's a good combo and must be wikified!Pika Fan 19:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
You mean like switching to a Dervish that is unblockable, unblindable and doesn't need speed boosts or snares to catch his target right? Of course a scythe does more damage, but that doesn't mean that spamming flare inbetween your big spells is automatically useless. 145.94.74.23 06:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually, it does, because you dropped a good skill for a bad one. Vili 点 User talk:Vili 06:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
What Vili said. If you even have flare on your bar, you are doing something very wrong. -Auron 06:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
The actually good combo is Mind Blast, Immolate, Fire Attunement, Aura of Restoration. That being said, that is practically an entire build, so please shut up. Misery 06:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
If the best thing you can find to do is spam flare as an ele, you may wish to consider reading the guide on how to play. Oh, wait... that guide sucks. Brb, rewriting (tell no-one). And in regards to the comment about blindness and whatever, I was making a generalization. If you want to be immune to that shit, just run Rodgort's. --Jette User Jette awesome.png 07:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey. Dual attune FC flare gets me gladz. User Raine R.gif Raine - talk
Did you know that by using Double Dragon and Glyph of Elemental Power, you could be spamming Flare at 20 Fire Magic for 80 damage every 1.75 seconds or so? That's incredible. Vili 点 User talk:Vili 21:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Did you know that If I D-shot you once, you stand still for 20 seconds? ~Shard User Shard Sig Icon.png 22:08, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Remember that AB where you, Swift and I kept taking turns d-shotting that guy's flare?--*Yasmin Parvaneh* User yasmin parvaneh sig.png 22:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
The bar has enough space to also spam Meteor and Rodgort's on recharge.
Also, fastcasting. User Raine R.gif Raine - talk 22:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Uber skill[edit]

This is the most uber skill anet ever attempted to fail on. Needs a big rework.... Somebody mentioned Mending? 212.235.206.224 13:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Flare, same damage: Your target is blinded for 0...1...1 seconds. I mean.. its a Flare. Also, lol fragility 82.72.119.180 11:18, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Flare does not need a rework. -~=Ϛρѧякγ User Sparky, the Tainted guided sig.png (τѧιк) 13:24, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Agreed, it's just the cheap, spammable, low individual damage spell all of elementalist's magic schools have. Let it be that way --Lhoj 15:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Give me a good reason why it should not. Koda User Koda Kumi UT.jpeg Kumi 17:40, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
flare needs a major rework, look at skills like spirit boon strike, same damagebut actually has a secondary effect (heals spirits). Sure, it has a 3sec recharge, but its still spammable as hell and just means its slightly harder to dshot. Flare has no secondary effect and is in a line which contains skills that do far more damage/actually have synergy (ie immolate has burning).115.188.219.43 09:58, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Spirit boon Strike is a ritualist skill, ritualists don't have access to the extra energy from energy storage so there is good reason an 5 energy rit skill deals more damage then a 5 energy ele skill. Please don't compare cows with horses. Flare is good as it is right now. Not all skills have to be uberskills. The game is already easy enough. Rumian 11:00, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Hero skill trainers[edit]

Flare is listed as being available from the four Hero Skill Trainers in GWEN: Gedrel of Ascalon, Kodan, Tyr the Skaald, Lexx. If you look at any of these individuals, they do not appear to offer Flare. I checked with one of my characters that does not yet have Flare and Gedrel does not offer it that character. Adeira Tasharo