Talk:Jeremy Soule

jeremy = God --Talos of Flanders 10:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, he is really good.--75.94.77.148 02:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I hail Jeremy. Ninjas In The Sky 13:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

love his work for Dungeon Siege 78.20.153.111 11:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Squaresoft Variation

Jeremy Soule has composed music for all of the Guild Wars games as well as Icewind Dale and Elder Scrolls IV for PC, Secret of Evermore for the Super Nintendo, and Elder Scrolls III for Xbox. He also created an arragement of the Final Fantasy VI "Terra" theme (originally by Nobuo Uematsu) which is freely available on the OverClocked Remix website: Squaresoft Variation. M47715c00l 23:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Delete

RE 2663439: This page is for a person who has no direct relation to ArenaNet. The page is also out of date, and contains subjective opinions. Everything mentioned on the page is also present on the wikipedia article. There is no benefit to hosting this stub over liking to his article there directly. horrible | contribs 18:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't know that I agree with the subjective opinions part, the simple fact that he did the music for the three most recent Elder Scrolls games would seem to back up the "some of the most successful games of all time" which is the only subjective thing I can see in there. I could see replacing the "all time" part with something like "of the last twenty years" or something similar. Also as the main (sole?) composer of the entire set of games this wiki is based on, it does see to me that he is worthy of having a page, even with controversy that has come to light regarding him. --Rainith (talk) 21:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

This is hardly a well-trafficked article though, and unlike DirectSong, it doesn't really provide any useful GW-specific information. And while I fully admit him being a rapist is what prompted me to suggest the removal of this article, I do think the wiki will lose no information in the process.horrible | contribs 22:39, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Rape allegations are not a reason to delete his page, but it's fair to say that he doesn't need 2 separate pages. How about merging the relevant Jeremy Soule information into the DirectSong page and leaving this as a redirect? Mist Y (talk) 23:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I removed the subjective stuff, hopefully it's now better. Julian Soule is also credited as composer, but what did he do ?

At first I was about to disagree with Horrible about the deletion. Like Rainith said, he is still the guy that composed 100% of the soundtrack of the Guild Wars series and it's a pretty damn good music that is loved by many people. If he has raped anyone also, keeping this page as a reminder that a good artist does not equal a good person could be a better solution than purely deleting it.

However I changed my mind. Horrible's arguments are valid. Wikipedia mostly supplants this page plus barely anyone ever goes to see this page. It won't be missed much if it goes away. On the other hand, people like Horrible have a keen sense of justice. So even if this is just allegations, if it can make them feel better let's delete this page. --Ruine Eternelle 11:09, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I would disagree that just because he has been accused of rape and sexual harassment (accused mind you, nothing has been proven, admitted to nor has he been found guilty as far as I can see from the Wikipedia article) means that there shouldn't be a page for him here. Someone doing something bad, horrible even, is no reason to remove relevant information about them.

I am not trying to defend the guy, but I feel the wiki looses its validity when we do things like this. You can't erase something or someone bad by removing all information about them. --Rainith (talk) 16:05, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Which is why I didn't make that my reason for removal. It's wholly irrelevant to the discussion. horrible | contribs 16:23, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

So you want it to be removed because wikipedia already has all the information about Soule, is that right ? Note that the star wars old republic wiki has an article about George Lucas, the Pokemon wiki has information about Junichi Masuda, so with this logic they should remove these pages ? --Ruine Eternelle 16:40, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

(Reset indent) The reasoning behind the removal of this article is partially similar to the reasoning behind the removal of Blindlight - documenting non-ArenaNet and non-Guild Wars people and companies is outside of the scope of this wiki. Unlike people like Nolan North, I am not aware of any references to Jeremy Soule in-game; especially not enough to warrant an article. The article does not contain any information related to Guild Wars that is not also covered by other articles.

• "Jeremy Soule is the main composer of the soundtracks of all major Guild Wars releases" - covered by Game_credits#Artistry_Entertainment
• "Jeremy Soule also composed music for various other video game titles, notably Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Harry Potter and the Elder Scrolls series." - not related to guild wars
• "He returned to compose new music for Guild Wars 2, and many of the tracks he composed for Guild Wars were reused as well, although he stopped working for the series and composers such as Maclaine Diemer, Lena Chappelle and Stan LePard have replaced him." - belongs primarily on GW2W, but also exists as a note on Guild Wars 2 (though that article has its own problems).

The external links don't really serve any purpose on their own. horrible | contribs 16:54, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) I disagree with deletion, because all I am seeing is an out of date article about a professional composer who contributed the vast majority of music of the games. It doesn't need to be a long article at all, plus the external work (especially non-GW2 work) does not serve a purpose on GWW. A rewrite to a current and short article about Soule's Guild Wars work is all this article needs to be. I would do it now, but the above discussion seems to be very lively. - Infinite - talk 17:04, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

To add to Infinite's point, freelance is not uncommon in video games.--Ruine Eternelle 17:17, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Not sure how that's relevant. We have pages for a fair few of people listed under Credits, but for the most part they're tiny pages with minimal unique background information. It looks like User:Lightblade was the source of them, but stopped. I do not see a reason to have articles for people when the only information we have is that they worked at ArenaNet; Jeremy Soule's page has even less relevant information. horrible | contribs 23:06, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't see how the fact that some information can be found elsewhere means that it can't also be documented here. Information can be in more than one place. –Santax (talk · contribs) 07:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

So I'm not sure why the fact that a page is small and/or isn't visited much should factor into it being deleted. The only thing that should factor in is "Does this page meet the scope of this wiki?" and for me the answer is yes, this wiki's scope is the game Guild Wars and having minor documentation on the people that created it falls within that scope. --Rainith (talk) 16:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

More info deleting I see. Doesn't matter where in game you are, high chance you are listening to music composed by him. Seems an article is appropriate. Justice (talk) 09:21, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) I think better questions would be "what purpose does this page serve?" and "is this the best page for any information it holds?" The answers of both lead me to deletion:

1. This page serves only to document the existence of the game's composer, something well handled already by the credits page.
2. This page does not host any information that cannot already be found elsewhere, and is it not necessarily better suited to hold that information.

I am against the existence of most stub articles, especially stub articles that document things external to the game itself.

I would be in favor of the above suggestion to redirect this page to the DirectSong article. horrible | contribs 09:25, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Even though he's never been an ANet employee, he's made significant contributions to the GW franchise. And this isn't the ANet wiki, but the GWwiki - so I'm for keeping a short articel on him. Steve1 (talk) 21:38, 11 July 2020 (UTC)