Talk:The Path to Revelations

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This is a reference to Guild Wars 2, a message about the sunken continent of Orr, which will give rise to Primordius...

The indecipherable text is:

Vm'Jqqteomn dj'dpat ipj'attw

Rthjms'dpt xoada'rthjms bmivwomn

Vmaitea'dptet yot'om ivodmn

anyone wanna go at deciphering it? 13:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Someone did it here... it's a cryptogram, which reads:
"An offering to those who seek"
"Beyond the mists beyond the dreams"
"On distant shores oh a land unwaking"
"Answers there lie in waiting"
Heh, looks like the answer is more cryptic than the question here. --Santax (talk · contribs) 14:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Could it be a reference to the Tomb of the Primeval Kings? Crystal Desert's reasonably distant and "unwaking", you need to take the boat from Sanctum Cay to get there for "shore", and it fits with "Beyond the Mists"... Anyone tried taking Light of Deldrimor down there? - Tanetris 01:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Any thoughts on a good location to look through? 13:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
The tombs is actually in the mists. And works in a way very similar to Dungeons. MithranArkanere 14:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
The thing that puzzles me is the "beyond the dreams" part. A person would have to abandon what reality they base their lives on? I'm not sure. It's either a way of ANet saying they will be making more God Realms, or something else for us to puzzle about endlessly.Mat Cauthorn 01:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Call me crazy... But in the recent PCGamer Ultimate Guild Wars Guide, the Sylvari make a reference to the mystical connection to others of their race through something called the "Dream of Dreams." But it also contains nightmares, whispers that they do NOT understand. Similarly, each land or campaign has a Dragon in it, that sleeps for eons until the land grew around them. Could it be that the Dragons are linked to the Sylvari? In WoW, sleeping dragons corrupted the thoughts and minds of druids and naga. Perhaps this cipher is merely a tease about GW2? --BarGamer 22:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
By my guess this refers to something in the mists, since it alludes to them with its language, and the mists are also a land unwaking... -- Frozzen User_Frozzen_sig.PNG 20:08, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Norn rank farming[edit]

According to people elsewhere, the bonus for killing a boss increases with your hunting party rank. Someone recorded a gain of 610 from killing a single boss while rank 4 with a rampage bonus. Since there are six bosses in a row summoned from this quest, it seems norn faction farming can be done far more easily with this quest active. It seems best to not turn in the quest, but abandon it and retake it instead, until you are norn rank 10... ~ Kailianna Firesoul 18:55, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought of the same thing...6 bosses! that quest reward shuldnt be accepted to fast...and i already did such things to often^^ —ZerphatalkThe Improver 00:44, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

To farm these for norn points.You kill the first 5, after the mesmer is dead you rezone in battle depths, and go again. Micro 00:44, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

What if all 6 are killed? Does the quest end irreversibly? --User Karasu sig.png Karasu (talk) 18:27, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
It only ends irriversibly if you take the quest reward from Kerrsh, I expect you skip killing the last boss to avoid the need to map back to Tarnished Haven, abandon the quest and pick it up again --BramStoker (talk, contribs) 20:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Harvest temple[edit]

It says "unwaking"..........Unwaking waters , anyone? And Harvest temple has something to do with the mists.......Of course i may be wrong. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: .

The Gods Message[edit]

I removed the note about Echovald Forest or the Jade Sea being the location that the Gods message refers to as that is just a working theory with no concrete evidence behind it, not to mention John Stumme has implied that the bulk of this mystery will be discovered in GW2. So until someone builds a considerable case for that note I think it should stay off the article. Broodling67 00:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I still think it has to do with the Sylvari, as I posted above. The connection with GW2 eliminates the Echovald Forest and the Jade Sea, pretty much anything "current," which only leaves my speculation. Thanks for the John Stumme link. --BarGamer 05:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Difficulty: Master[edit]

When I accepted this quest, and read that it was master, I got a bit nervous, cause master quests always seems to bring a lot of trouble and hard work. But as I reached the spot, it was pretty much the easiest quest I have ever done, any ideas why it is marked as a master quest? Symphy 01:47, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

While I agree with you that it was very easy, it might be the way Anet defines "master" quests. It might just be because six bosses spawn in a row. Maybe when they originally designed the quest, the massive group of undead that are there otherwise were still there. Then when they later decided it was too difficult, they got rid of the undead horde there and didn't remove the Master tag. But this is just me guessing here. --onoes! Mafaraxas 04:03, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

It could also be a reference to the only place in GW that is absolutely empty... that massive hall in the Underworld. There has to be some use to that place, right? --Koda Kumi 23:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I always seem to be able to kill 1 very powerful enemy much easier than i can kill lots of weaker ones, for example, killing the facets is easy, killing a large group of raptors or frogmen is truely a challenge!--Winnies Bro 14:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

It's easier to kill one thing because you can and will focus fire it down. When killing multiple monsters, even if you DO focus fire, it's still slow because you have to wait for the bulk of your damage to move onto the next creature. If you do decide to aoe, unless you're there SPECIFICALLY for that mob group, you're not going to get them fast without drawbacks. Sable The Master of Bei Shun 05:02, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

The Realm of Torment?[edit]

Could the God's message be an allusion to the Realm of Torment. It seems to fit. It is a land of dreams, in the mists, beyond distant shores and holds the answers to unknown questions. Maybe the Atrocity Library? 19:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

My Thoughts[edit]

My guess on this is:

  • "An offering to those who seek"- The offering may be a the riddle itself.
  • "Beyond the mists beyond the dreams"- My Guess is that this line is a reference to the Dream of Dreams as it's both beyond a dream and beyond the mists.
  • "On distant shores of a land unwaking"- May be a reference to Orr, as it's in the distant of where the message is given and unwaking cause everyone is, well, dead.
  • "Answers there lie in waiting"- Find the locations and you will have your answer(s).
--MageUser MageMontu sig.pngMontu 20:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

The whole thing could be a refference to Orr

  • "An offering to those who seek"-> In GW 2 it would be protected by ghost ships,you should offer yourself to go there.Or you need to offer something for the scepter of orr(or something like that)
  • "Beyond the mists beyond the dreams"-> There is mist on sea(it doesn't have to be The mist), The holy land of the gods lies in Orr, holy is beyond dreams
  • "On distant shores of a land unwaking"->Orr has been under water for some tie but Awakens (rise) And it's distant
  • "Answers there lie in waiting"-> Xe'll get answers if we'll get there XD

A new idea ^^[edit]

"An offering to those who seek" "Beyond the mists beyond the dreams" "On distant shores oh a land unwaking" "Answers there lie in waiting" So thats the riddle and here is my theory: Maybe this thing is talking about Vabbi in GW2.I know that joko or whatever his name is will conquer Vabbi and kourna with his undead army.Maybe An offering to those who seek refers to the "offering" the Sunspears made by allying with joko to defeat abbadon.It will be the sunspears fault he conquered elona.Beyond the mists may mean that even if Joko died he didnt go to the mists but i dont know what beyond the dreams reffers too.Elona is on a distant shore with Tyria and is unwaking cause the undead army rules over it.And answers lie in waiting may reffer to answers about the ancient dragons and posibly the way to deffeat them(sry for te bad english btw. Super Range Ranger Cow 20:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


I think the difficulty should be removed, it's not actually that hard at all. Especially if you have already got some of the Norn skills... --Stokoe Talk 02:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Fissure of Woe Shore[edit]

could it have something to with that?

  • "An offering to those who seek"=The Riddle
  • "Beyond the mists beyond the dreams"=Fissure
  • "On distant shores oh a land unwaking"=The Fissure Shore
  • "Answers there lie in waiting"=the answers, or some other knowledge 18:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Undoing changes[edit]

Someone has done some changes but they were really unnecessary so i have undone them.


Anyone else find it a little odd that the facets of the gods are dragons? Kerrsh says that the gods come in many forms... Is there some sort of link between the gods and the ancient dragons?

Maybe its hinting at some plot devolpments for Guild Wars 2. How do you stop these powerful beings known as the ancient dragons? Put them back to rest, kill them some other method, would be interesting if harness the power of the jade wind to stop these dragons... Dero Ahmonati 18:36, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Of course I wouldn't be surprised if Balhtek was somewhat involved with the ancient dragons. Dero Ahmonati 18:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Heh Bahltek could be another forgotten god, for all we know. Abaddon's brother? 16:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe. These cryptic messages drive me nuts and will continue to drive me nuts until an answer has been found. Dervish-tango-icon-200.pngDero Ahmonati 23:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Bahltek seems strange and appears to know more than a person should, i doubt hes a god, although i wouldnt be suprised if he has some connection with the gods.--Winnies Bro 14:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Bahltek seems to be a well traveled POSSIBLY orrian man, he knows a lot, true, but he might also be trying to stop Varesh's general,,the one you kill in the Blacktide Den mission in disguse. Or perhaps he is just trying to protect the world from Abbadon regaining control. Mabby he saw the future(Joko taking over Elona and getting rid of the Sunspears) and is trying to stop it? Who knows.


Kerrsh's staff is a great reward, the most powerful weapon ive ever had, the +60health is brilliant and so is the +5 energy. But i have a question is the air of superiority any good? I know what it does but im just notnsure if its worth the skill slot.--Winnies Bro 14:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe it's used in stuff like Shadowfarming, because of the amount of stuff you get as things start dying. Idk. 19:45, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


According to the gw2 interview on kill ten rats, this message is speaking about Orr and the god's ancient city. User Dero Dero's Sig.pngDero Ahmonati 02:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Except Orr and Arah are not "Beyond the mists". The mists are a part of everything, or something. 19:43, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I think Beyond the mists is referring to the dragons. --MageUser MageMontu sig.pngMontu 07:04, 16 November 2010 (UTC)