Template talk:Species Boss List nav bar

So.... wtf is every single link in a span? --JonTheMon 04:56, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Makes no sense to me either. As for making all the pages he just has, I think we should organize them better and perhaps have a central page that links them all together, like a Bosses by Species page that has some short info then links to the individual pages, then have the title of this template link to that page. ~Farlo Talk 06:45, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

A couple of things: 1) Are we certain we want to use the word "species", as we also use "affiliation" and "type" to describe some of the listed categories. 2) Perhaps take a look at Template:Deldrimor weapons nav as an example of how such nav bars seem to be designed on this wiki. If there's a better example, I'm sure someone else can pass it along. G R E E N E R 08:11, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

This is based on what I think was 42's project starting out. Copied from the user pages, made and added the nav bars, and from checking the wiki boss pages, these species are from those pages. 69.182.165.163 19:30, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

And now I'm shaking my head at myself. I have no idea which "affiliations" I thought I was seeing, but I'll retract it. G R E E N E R 19:35, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I would prefer to see this formatted the same way that all other navigation boxes are done here with no colored background, and no bolded text, with the dot between the selection. I am a lover of consistency. -- Wyn talk 09:35, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Boss-like foes

Can we include Boss-like foes as well? And thanks for creating this! ^_^ --Falconeye 08:12, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Not in a list of bosses, no. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 21:04, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

List of bosses by <topic>

I don't know where else to put this as I don't think it's relevant enough to put on the community page so here it is... In the section title, I am referring to the lists at: {{Profession Boss List nav bar}}, {{Species Boss List nav bar}} (e.g., this one), and {{Affiliation Boss List nav bar}}. Specifically, I am questioning the worth of the latter two - list by profession makes sense for capturing purposes, but I am hard pressed to find a reason for the creature type (inaccurately called species here - inaccurate by wiki terminology that is) and more importantly the affiliation templates. Firstly, both of those fields, again especially the affiliations, are very iffy. We speculate on a lot, placing things where they fit best or create our own name for cases we think are their own but don't know the "official" terminology for such. In some cases - e.g., Celestial and stone guardian, we can't even make up our minds if it is an affiliation or creature type.
Now, Falconeye went with creating the affiliation lists, and considering the amount of reverts towards that user's edits (no offense intended to Falconeye, implied or otherwise), I can only further the iffy-ness of that list's purpose. In a way, I can see some use to the species and some affiliation lists (e.g., knowing a boss is of a certain group and has a certain elite but unsure of who it is), but there's more direct ways of finding the things of that list out, at least more direct than a hidden page... Not to mention the uncertainty behind so much of the affiliations.
So, my question is this: Are the latter two series of lists worth keeping - in which how are they useful - and if so how should we order them? Personally, I've been wanting to create a more firm (and hopefully set-in-stone-until-otherwise-proven-by-Anet) system/line-up for the creature types and affiliations we aren't certain about (and for those we are, for that matter), so I'd rather get that done (if possible) before creating these as it'll mean more work if we work on these first...
tl;dr with less rambling: Are the species and affiliation pages worth keeping, yes or no? And if yes, please tell me why because I cannot see it. Konig/talk 02:23, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

tbh, I find the profession one rather ugly and useless, same purpose as List of elite skills by capture location - just split into 10 pages instead of 1.

Species is alright since they're all complete now and I put a lot of hours into populating the lists but I'd be fine with deletion of all 3 templates. I definitely wouldn't bother finishing Affiliation nav since its just started and still a lot of effort to finish.--File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.pngChieftain Alex 18:54, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't think any of them are major navigation aids; I think they actually make navigation more difficult. I'm okay with deleting them all.

However, I can see two purposes that they are trying to serve:

• Farming tomes (helpful to have a list of bosses by prof)
• Farming trophies (often, the best trophy farm is near a boss of the species).

Both of these purposes can be satisfied by a see also that links to lists. OTOH, if we really need more than 1, I recommend that we combine them into a single template (since it uses show/hide already... it will actually be a cleaner solution). – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:39, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I was going to propose a merging of whatever nav lists remain, actually. I do think that they should have navs for movement between them. But if we go for trophy, we can scrap species and affiliation and change it to a single list based on trophy - I say single list because a vast majority of the bosses per trophy would be too few. However, in a lot of cases bosses are not the prime target in farming (nor a good set for where to look). Konig/talk 19:43, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Konig is correct: bosses (for trophy farming) are merely a proxy in the absence of having a documented farm in the wiki. Regardless, to the extent that navigation help is needed, that can be performed by a see: list of xyz. Navigation bars should be used in limited situations:

• Small number of parallel articles with relevant content, e.g. {{Profession guide}}
• Small number of parallel articles with near-identical content, e.g. {{Oppressor's weapons nav}}
• An obvious sequence for which a bar speeds navigation, e.g. {{Nightfall missions}}

The short story is that I don't think we need any of the boss navigation templates; we can provide the functionality by linking to relevant categories or lists. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:00, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

What about adding the WiK bosses to the individual "explorable area" wiki files?? At least then, we'd all be aware of ALL of the elite skills available for capture. As an example, Nebo Terrace has a number of White Mantle bosses "tucked away" (out of sight, out of mind) in addition to the "Wanted-" targets.Undouble 03:01, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

What bosses are missing from Nebo Terrace (War in Kryta)? 75.37.16.168 06:00, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, NONE of the WiK "bosses" are listed on in the area thumbnails (Nebo Terrace, North Kryta Province) and those that ARE identified are the "targets"-------but there is NO listing for the "Peacekeeper bosses" nor for any of the "non-target" WiK bosses.Undouble 01:14, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Category:Peacekeeper_bosses? Why would you need a list/table? Except for opening it up and admiring the table for a couple of seconds and then never ever opening that page again. I don't understand what you mean by "targets" and "non-targets". Area thumbnail? Are you referring to maps like this? If a WiK area's map is missing a boss indicator... well... edit the map :) -- ab.er.rant 17:06, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

There's a ton of pages with delete reasons all linking to here, except I don't see a clear for or against consensus on delete. Am I nuking pages or removing tags? -Auron 01:08, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I think you and I are reading different discussions because all sans Falconeye who've commented are for deletion of affiliation listings, which were deleted and - without discussion - was recreated by Falconeye. Though it's possible another discussion was on the now deleted talk page for {{Affiliation Boss List nav bar}}. Konig/talk 01:59, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to seek clarification on exactly what's being requested. Is this a discussion of just the navbars, or everything that the navbar relates to, directly and indirectly? So pages like List of warrior bosses, List of abomination bosses, List of Nightfall bosses, and Category:List of Bosses by Species are all up for deletion? -- ab.er.rant 17:06, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

The discussion, from my view at least, was about everything relating to the navbars. The consensus was just for affiliation, though I personally believe all except possibly species are unnecessary (what use do they have? Other than simply being lists of bosses - which can be covered by categories alone - the only use of these that I and Alex can see is elite finding which is covered in a different article (List of elite skills by capture location)). Konig/talk 21:53, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

In terms of which lists are complete:

• Category:List of Bosses by Species and all of those subpages are complete.
• List of warrior bosses and its ilk are incomplete with exception of mesmer which I fixed recently.
• List of Nightfall bosses is lone without any companions for the other campaigns.

They're all useless imo - I'd recommend all of them for deletion incl templates. File:User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 21:58, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree with their limited, if at all, usefulness. That category is more like "Lists of Bosses by Species" since it's a category of lists. The amount of effort is quite substantial. Feels like a waste to nuke all of 'em :/ -- ab.er.rant 09:24, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Boss Nav 2.0 Merge

Current Merge Example, any tips? --Falconeye 07:34, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Why? Why merge completely different lists? Why keep the affiliation nav bar? Why have a list of campaign bosses? These lists do no benefit users. They are too large, too cluttered, too disorganized, and why would they want such lists? To find elite skills - such a page has existed in far better format for a long time. I suggest just nuking the entire system you're trying so desperately to keep because there's just no benefit to it. Konig/talk 08:14, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

While I applaud your spirit of wanting to contribute, I agree with Konig. Nav bars are meant for convenient navigation, not for the sake of having nav bars for nav bars sake, and not for any conceivable categorisation (we have categories for that purpose). -- ab.er.rant 16:52, 14 May 2012 (UTC)