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Deletion

This has been unattended for 2 hours: Dwarven, please delete. — Skuld 07:42, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Sorry, was having some fun off-wiki. :) --Gem (talk) 08:35, 8 February 2007 (PST)
Could you take a look at this pls, there are lots of stuff that need to be deleted ~ KurdKurdsig.png10:02, 10 March 2007 (EST)
I'm aware of it, but I don't like touching copyvio articles, I'll let others handle them. -- Gem (gem / talk) 14:46, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Icons

Will you be uploading your icons onto the official wiki? You might have noticed that I'm uploading skill icons and I'm keen to get a small number of skill templates and pages up to get us all started on formatting and syntax for 'em. --Santax 10:09, 8 February 2007 (PST)

What icons are you talking about? I don't remember any 'my icons'. --Gem (talk) 10:31, 8 February 2007 (PST)
Iirc, you made a load of icons for use on the wiki... --Santax 11:19, 8 February 2007 (PST)
Oh nvm, that was LordBiro :P --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Santax .
Heh. He has uploaded the most important ones allready. --Gem (talk) 11:34, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Template Import

Would we be permitted to import the Skill box template from the GWiki here? All of the major contributors have released their contributions under the GFDL with the exception of PanSola, but all of Pan's contributions were of an older revision with pretty much none of its content being found in the current revision. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 12:48, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Never mind, LordBiro went ahead and imported it. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 12:54, 8 February 2007 (PST)
Hehe, sorry Rapta ;) I wanted to make sure that a taxo-box that didn't use tables was up as quickly as possible, as the boxes on GuildWiki have been a pet hate of mine for some time. LordBiro 13:16, 8 February 2007 (PST)
No problem at all *is still waiting for ParserFunctions* — Rapta (talk|contribs) 13:20, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Off Topic (didnt know where to ask)

Hey Gem, hate to bother you but I didnt know where to ask. I tried to create a user (kaya) but it said it's already taken. I did noticed that there's no e-mail linked to it, so I dont think there's a real user linked to is. I'm wondering if this is the case, or if for some reason this user name is just not allowed. Anyway could yuou find this out for me? Or find out where i could look. Thanks a bunch in advance --kaya 13:39, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Hmmm, there is a user with that name. I think you must have created it yourself by double clicking the create button and then getting a conflict for the second click. Try to log in with the password which you set for the account. --Gem (talk) 13:42, 8 February 2007 (PST)
Weird. can you tell if it was even my ip that created it? cause i can't log in at all, and when i try and send myself the password it says there's not e-mail linked to it. I dunno, but i'm pretty sure you can't create an account here without an e-mail. Unless you've got some kind of power :P --kaya 13:50, 8 February 2007 (PST)
I don't know and I have no way of getting any info. Sorry. --Gem (talk) 13:53, 8 February 2007 (PST)
np thanks for checkin' it out Gem. I guess if anyone reads this and and help the'll let me know  :\ --kaya13:55, 8 February 2007 (PST)
Just trying to create account "Kaya-plsdeletethisuser" without email address and it's accepted, I guess someone use/stole your user name :(, hope this help. Also please delete "Kaya-plsdeletethisuser" user, I'm the one who created this just for testing. --Gusnana1412 13:54, 7 March 2007 (GMT +1)
Deleting users is really bothersome and wont be done. -- Gem (gem / talk) 08:21, 7 March 2007 (EST)

W-color etc

They don't seem to be working right. I can't understand why because it's a direct copy and paste. I tried copying and pasting articles from gwiki (no license violation) that had the template in them and all the tables got screwed up. - - BeXoR 00:10, 9 February 2007 (PST)

I believe that those templates need ParserFunctions installed to work (if they use #IF in them they do). Hopefully we'll get that installed soon. *crosses fingers* --Rainith 00:12, 9 February 2007 (PST)
Ah okay, as long as it's not my shoddy coding. >_> - - BeXoR 00:13, 9 February 2007 (PST)

Stabber's license

Gem, I just wanted you to know that I don't think it's ok if Stabber here says that her contributions on GuildWiki are released under the FDL. We have no proof that they are the same person. LordBiro 04:45, 9 February 2007 (PST)

Hmm. Do you have any reason to believe that they aren't the same person? I know licese stuff is currently the most important stuff for most users here. I won't resist if you remove the notice, but I will not remove it myself either. --Gem (talk) 05:10, 9 February 2007 (PST)
You might think I am being a little... paranoid. I expect they probably are the same person. But I think it sets a terrible precedent. What if someone registers here as PanSola and says "all my work on the GuildWiki is released under the FDL"? LordBiro 05:18, 9 February 2007 (PST)
I get your point. In case of any other user I would not accept this, but knowing how Stabber left I know she just wont make a single edit there anymore. Besides she found this wiki among the first few users and the last things I remember from Stabber was that she was very eager for an official wiki. She has probably been watching the gwguru thread all the time. And her edits here are just like during the good old times. There is no reason to believe they are different people. --Gem (talk) 05:22, 9 February 2007 (PST)
Any user should have to put a notice on the website the edits are using the login name that made those edits. For instance if you want your gwiki edits released, you must put a notice over at gwiki, and vice versa. I think legally it is the safest thing to do. - BeXoR 05:23, 9 February 2007 (PST)
It's the safest, but legally it isn't necessary. I could just tell my friends irl that I release it all under GFDL and it's done. --Gem (talk) 05:26, 9 February 2007 (PST)
I strongly disagree there, Gem. If I were to say to my friend IRL "I release all my contributions under the GFDL", firstly they wouldn't know what I was talking about :P but secondly they would have no proof that I am LordBiro. Just because I say it doesn't make it true.
The person called Stabber on GWiki should have to confirm that her contributions are released under that license; in this situation there is no doubt that the person who made those contributions is the same person who puts the notice on their user page.
I think you could argue that there is reasonable doubt that I am LordBiro from the GuildWiki, and I shouldn't be allowed to say on this wiki that my contributions over there are released under this license. The same applies to everyone. LordBiro 05:29, 9 February 2007 (PST)
As I said, this isn't a safe and secure way to do it, but knowing Stabber pretty well from the GWiki times I'm personally sure that the persons behind the contributions are the same. Ofcourse we can't be sure, but the original Stabber has been watching the wiki even after leaving and I'm sure she will say something if the notice box I placed doesn't please her. --Gem (talk) 05:34, 9 February 2007 (PST)

Image:Bloodsong (Attack).jpg ==== Signature

May I ask why this was deleted? --FireFox Firefoxav.gif 17:38, 12 February 2007 (PST)

We are going through the skill images with Kalomeli. It was a simple mistake allready taken care of. :) --Gem (talk) 17:44, 12 February 2007 (PST)

Signature

I have and did read the signature policy, and reasonably carefully too. Could you clarify what part of them it was breaking? It had only links that are allowed, used only two colours, and for different links, green and blue are hardly hold of difficult to read and it used allowed tags. Clarify please?

Either way, I have greatly simplified it... perhaps this will be more acceptable to you...? Ale_Jrbtalk 08:45, 13 February 2007 (PST)

I think Gem meant the <small> and <sup> tags. You can find it in the policy page under Appearance and color and then Your signature should clearly identify the user, and not be disruptive to the talk pages, there's a line that explicitly disallows markup code. I'm actually not sure about the <small> tag, since I don't think it changes the spacing between lines of text. Might want to mention it in the talk page of the policy, to get that point clarified. --Dirigible 08:52, 13 February 2007 (PST)
Thanks for pointing that out, I totally missed it! Of course, I think it is a truly stupid rule that serves no purpose other than to be irritating and will go and bring up some thoughts right now =) Ale_Jrb (talk) 09:50, 13 February 2007 (PST)
Nothing bad in small, but the sup was the problem. Thea reason why sup, sub, big and other such tags are forbidden is that they stretch the line height for users, which really many seem to dislike. --Gem (talk) 11:31, 13 February 2007 (PST)

Guild Proposal

Can you comment on this? — Gares 10:58, 21 February 2007 (PST)

Done. I tried to bring the discussion back to the policy from the general whining. -- Gem (gem / talk) 23:02, 21 February 2007 (EST)

GWT:TECH

Why did you remove that shortcut? Ray McCooney 07:36, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Shortcuts are supposed to be on the article page not the talk page. -- Gem (gem / talk) 08:12, 27 February 2007 (EST)
Is there a policy on shortcuts to the talk page? As far as I'm aware they're not forbidden, and GWT:TECH is different from GWW:TECH. I'm not saying I think we should have them, but I'm not saying I think we shouldn't either. How non-committal of me ;) LordBiro 08:15, 27 February 2007 (EST)
Why should we have shortcuts to talk pages? If the reasoning is "no policy", then I'll create shortcuts to my user name space, to random articles that I deem necessary and anything else that I need often. The shortcuts are meant to be used for policy articles and such, nothing else. If a page has a shortcut, the talk page doesn't need one either. -- Gem (gem / talk) 08:17, 27 February 2007 (EST)
I don't know if I agree with that logic. The reasoning I can see behind shortcuts is that they exist for articles that are not in the main namespace but are popular with a long name.
I am not aware of any policy on the subject of shortcuts, nor any style guideline. If you oppose shortcuts to talk pages then I suggest you start a policy article on the subject, since otherwise there is nothing saying you can't create a shortcut to your user name space. LordBiro 08:36, 27 February 2007 (EST)
*creating a shortcut Gem to redirect to user page* Seriously, I don't want to bother with creating a policy suggestion now that I still have fever. Unless no one does it before I'm in good condition again, I'll probably do something. -- Gem (gem / talk) 09:15, 27 February 2007 (EST)

What great harm is done to the wiki if we make it easier to link to these verbose page titles? And a policy on redirects from shortcuts! Please tell me that is sarcasm. Ray McCooney 10:59, 27 February 2007 (EST)

It might belong to the redirect policy which I think is allready being formed. I didn't seriously mean that I would make policy suggestion for this. (and I hope Biro wasn't serious either :) ) -- Gem (gem / talk) 16:05, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Question

Hi, I'm leaving this message here because I found your name on the Bestiary/NPC... formatting talk pages @ GuildWiki. We're currently trying to create a formatting guide for it here as well, but so far without sufficient response. I'd appreciate it if you could drop by and leave your comment(s). Initial discussion started here, but is continued here. Thanks in advance ;). --Erszebet 09:50, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Siggy

Any1 tell me how to make my own signature? I've uploaded an my own image o.O joe 19px

Your signature should link to your user page which is User:Joe. Insert the following code in your preferences to your 'nickname' textbox: [[User:Joe|Joe]] [[Image:JoeIcon.JPG|19px]]. -- Gem (gem / talk) 08:25, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Thanks :D

Hey, thanks for moving that for me, I couldn't figure how to. Undyingly. -Alreajk

No problem. There is a 'move' button on top of each page. -- Gem (gem / talk) 21:05, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Deletion Policy

Due to Rezyk's concerns regarding not enough outs to remove a deletion tag, I have changed the policy after your support for the proposal. If you wish, please review the new changes found here and re-evaluate your support if you believe it is necessary. Thanks — Gares 10:08, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

template:ban

Could we get it to redirect to the new template? I'm sure quite a few users may not know of it. -FireFox File:Firefoxav.png 17:04, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

We also need to get the admin review template to add people to the Category:Candidates_for_banning or a similar category =\ Getting rid of the ban template made that category useless, and there isn't a category that adminreview adds to yet. Anyway, we should probably fix one of the two =P Pepe talk 17:16, 18 March 2007 (EDT)
Fixing things now. -- Gem (gem / talk) 17:17, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

Ehheheheh..

Sorry about making extra work for you there. I figured out my mistake on those included pages (Special:Lonelypages doesn't filter them out, something I didn't know), and I was too buzzed/tired to fix it last night. I woke up about an hour ago to come on and take care of that subpage thing =\ Once again, thanks for fixing that for me. Pepe talk 17:06, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

Np. -- Gem (gem / talk) 17:17, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

*evil voice*

Killing Spree! Running Riot! Running Riot! User Blastedt sig.jpgBLASTEDT 18:17, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

You haven't seen anything yet, that was just a few dozen images and articles. I've filled the recent changes of both wikis with deletions atleast once. (and I have an longer rc than the default) -- Gem (gem / talk) 18:22, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
My Recent Changes is bigger than yours!
(For GuildWiki I have a special bookmark set at 2000 edits which I use only in the mornings, before starting with the daily ritual of coffee+emails). --Dirigible 18:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
Okay, you beat me. :) -- Gem (gem / talk) 19:07, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

gw.gamewikis.org

so how did i get a ban for?
how am i able to contct admins?
and if you say e-mail i dont get replys from that... Wings That Heal 01:24, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Hi. The message that Gares used for banning you was "continued breaking of policy, creating immature article". To discuss your ban you can contact me or any other GuildWiki admin in the game or by e-mail. I am online in the game in the morning and in the evening every day. (Europe) -- Gem (gem / talk) 05:32, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

tried e-mail and what i ment was how long m i banned for no one ever said, and why did my friends computer get banned for, he cant you he's cause he logged on to me recently? -- Wings That Heal 05:33, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

The block log (which you can reach from the 'Special pages' link at the left) ways that you were banned for 5 days. What comes to your friend, any IP trying to log in to a banned user will also be banned for the same duration. -- Gem (gem / talk) 05:46, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Omg the sencond rule is a little bit gay, he didnt try log on to me he had 'Recently' logged on to me, and also i dont know anything about banning, ban'ers or the banned cause i never thought i would be banned -- Wings That Heal 06:03, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

You can give me his IP and I'll unblock it if you promise not to use it to avoid your ban. I'm online playing atm, so you may contat me in game if you want to. -- Gem (gem / talk) 06:25, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

This is "The Friend" IP = 58.168.197.239, i think anyways, dw i want try to avoid his ban i just want to be able to use my computer -- im not sure lol 58.168.197.239 06:33, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

The IP hsan't been banned recently on GuildWiki according to the block log. -- Gem (gem / talk) 06:38, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

on gw.gamewikis.org, it would have cause i cant edit pages there -- 58.168.197.239 06:39, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

when trying to edit get this message......-- 58.168.197.239 06:41, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Your user name or IP address has been blocked by Gares Redstorm. The reason given is this: Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Wings That Heal". The reason given for Wings That Heal's block is: "continued breaking of policy, creating immature article"

You may contact Gares Redstorm or one of the other administrators to discuss the block.

(If this automated message says you have been blocked by Adam.skinner or Rainith for vandalism, it could be due to a known bug. Please wait a few minutes and try again.)

Note that you may not use the "e-mail this user" feature unless you have a valid e-mail address registered in your user preferences.

Your IP address is 58.168.197.239. Please include this address in any queries you make.

Meh, found the ban. The ban on the IP was placed 17 hours after the ban on your user name, which means that someone tried to log in on your user name 17 hours after the ban on that IP. Could you please both, you and your friend contact me in game at the same time just to make sure that there truly are 2 different people and it is not your own IP. -- Gem (gem / talk) 06:47, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

lol i dont have the game, thats why i dont have an account, and also that "Log in" just would be cause the little "Rember me" button would have been checked when i logged onto his account, so i was automaticly logged in when i open gw.gamewikis.org -- 58.168.197.239 06:49, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

You don't have a game account nor a gwiki account. Why would I need to unban you? -- Gem (gem / talk) 06:51, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

i never needed an account till now cause i could just use wings account, and i like talking to users of wiki, thats y i need my ip - 58.168.197.239 unbanned please, any more questions? -- 58.168.197.239 06:53, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Can't you just wait for 4 more days as your friend Wings is banned for that time anyway. Besides I can't be sure that you are not Wings but a friend of his so I really can't unban you. -- Gem (gem / talk) 06:54, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

no i can't wait four days for the "Ban" that has nothing to do with me to come off, cause i will be bored as hell, and i dont really care if he is banned for four days, and i don't know what i can do to prove my self to you, when i don't have a computer that runs guildwars -- 58.168.197.239 06:56, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Your IP has 3 contributions to the wiki, first of them starting with the word wings as a heading. Doesn't seem like wiki addiction. Seems like this is really the IP of Wings, but ofcourse I can't be sure. I can't unban you unless you somehow prove me that you are two different persons. -- Gem (gem / talk) 07:06, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Of course they start with wings, i told you i use his account, so that people can contact him in the game, and also he gets he guest book filled more if his name appears more, i would still be on it if you didnt ask for the my ip -- 58.168.197.239 07:08, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

also how can i prove my self to you without the game? -- 58.168.197.239 07:08, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

So you two use the same user all the time? Then the ban should be on both of you as we cannot know which contributions are by which one of you. If you are two different People, Wings himself can also log out and post with his IP, but I doublt that you will get the ban lifted. -- Gem (gem / talk) 07:13, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

i checked that log you said before, he got banned, but then my ip got banned for logging into his account, which was automaticly banned and there was nothing i could do because i had the "Remeber me" button checked and i went on without even knowing he was banned -- 58.168.197.239 07:15, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

So? If multiple users are using the same account and the account gets banned, all of those users deserve the ban. -- Gem (gem / talk) 07:17, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

i dont belive that all users should get the ban just the ip should get banned, and then there jagre who is still spamming gw.gamewikis.org while i sit here trying to get my ip unblocked -- 58.168.197.239 07:19, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

dont worry bout it then if you wont unblock it, i'll just use this new wiki site until my ban gets lifted, thanks i guess for trying -- 58.168.197.239 07:19, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Jagre is a difficult case as he changes his IP all the time, but his ban was made longer due to avoiding it. He seems to have stopped now. -- Gem (gem / talk) 07:21, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

what was the point of making his ban longer? if all he does is use different ip's anyway, and what if i changed my ip? dont know how tho -- 58.168.197.239 07:22, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

There is no viable reason to making the block of Jagre's account longer, as he uses or used dynamic IP addresses to work around the system. The ban of a user will never just include the IP address and not the user name. That is counterproductive to the block. That user could still sign in on another IP and cause the same mischief for which they were blocked. Admins have contact information on each of their pages, so contacting them is easy.
If you don't have a computer that can play Guild Wars and thus do not play Guild Wars, GuildWiki is not the site you should be playing around on. You shouldn't be playing around on any site for that matter. If using this site to play around on is your answer to being blocked on GWiki, I'm sorry to say, but our tolerance for immature behavior and breaking of policies are the same here as well.
Gem is correct in his assessment of the situation. If you both use the same username, the ban applies to both of you. My suggestion, when Wings' block is over, create your on account or use your IP. — Gares 08:02, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
"Gem is correct in his assessment of the situation. If you both use the same username, the ban applies to both of you." How am I incorrect if I say the same thing as you? -- Gem (gem / talk) 08:04, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
It says correct. :p — Gares 08:05, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
... I should learn to read. Seriously. I read multiple times the word as 'incorrect'. :D -- Gem (gem / talk) 08:30, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

when have i ever used the word playing in the same sentance as guildwars, wiki, or anything else? -- 58.168.197.239 08:09, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

also what is the point of e-mailing you, when you don't responsed to them? (quoted from wings) -- 58.168.197.239 08:10, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

No, you have not used the word playing. You stated that you did not have a computer that runs Guild Wars and that you cannot get in the game to prove yourself. From those two sentences and the fact you have internet access and a working computer, a valid assumption is that you do not play Guild Wars.
As to not responding to an email, in no way are we obligated to respond to an email the second you a user sends it, if we notice it. In fact, I have not seen one as it is probably in my junk folder. We are volunteers and have lives outside of this atmosphere. I will check my junk mail once I get off work in 8 hours. — Gares 08:28, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
I've received no e-mail. And Gares is right, we are volunteers, not paid workers. -- Gem (gem / talk) 08:30, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

i'm sorry if i offended you in the e-mail part, but usally when it has contact Gares, and i dont have guildwars and i can't use his talk page because i'm blocked i expected that you would be able to respond to an e-mail sent 2 days ago -- 58.168.197.239 09:01, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

The block was placed yesterday at 8:39am EST. It has been 1 day, 1 hour, and 11 minutes. Don't worry, I will access my email just as soon as I can. — Gares 09:50, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
Update, I have received no email as of 4:33pm EST, March 23, 2007. — Gares 16:34, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

sig icon

Did you really go back over every comment you've ever made to change your signature png? Or was it some clever bottery, beyond the ken of this mere mortal? Just curious :D --SnogratTrigsig.png 13:37, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

I think he did it by hand by making use of Special:Whatlinkshere. It ruined my watchlist though :P LordBiro 14:02, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
He just wants to pad his edit count. lol — Gares 14:15, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
Sorry, I just wanted to delete the old miss-named image. I knew it might cause watchlist problems as I've contributed on most policy and formatting discussions plus many user talk pages, but now it's done. And Biro is right, I did it manually with the help of 'what links here' and notepads 'replace all'. -- Gem (gem / talk) 14:23, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
Ah, I see now. I admire your thoroughness :) --SnogratTrigsig.png 15:15, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

Reverting an edit to my userpage:D

Thats my IP :P User Blastedt sig.jpgBLASTEDT 17:41, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

Sorry, I couldn't know. :P -- Gem (gem / talk) 17:44, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
Seeing as my IP's contrib right before that was a redirect from IP to userpage, ... :P, its ok :P User Blastedt sig.jpgBLASTEDT 17:54, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
Heh. Not a big problem, but stupid things happen when editing past midnight. :) -- Gem (gem / talk) 17:55, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

hiding edits in articles

Well as you've noticed, we've had an influx of people editing articles and creating new, stupid ones. Some of the ones we need now have tarnished History logs, such as Skills, I was reading somewhere on the wiki (forget where though) that there's someway to hide edits made, and only make them viewable to the bureaucrats, do you remember anything like that? -- Scourge User Scourge Spade.gif 18:55, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

A sysop can delete an article and then undelete any or all of the revisions of the history. This enables removing certain revisions from sight of regular users. This has however not be used to make the history for an article look good, it has only been used in very few cases to hide something in the history of an article that should never have been visible to regular users. (alpha leaks come into mind) -- Gem (gem / talk) 19:01, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
Copyright violations are currently the only thing this is used for. I could see using it to remove links to offensive sites or something like that, but that's about it. --Rainith 22:45, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
Yup. -- Gem (gem / talk) 03:58, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
Just letting you guys know about this discussion, User talk:Rezyk#Reverting vs deleting copyvio edits. --Dirigible 14:55, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

ITG Link

Your ITG link is broken. It no longer goes to Wikipedia.--Eloc 22:50, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Interwiking linking isnt working, but it should be added in the future. - BeXoR 03:16, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
The link is there waiting for the wikipedia linking to work. Shouldn't be long anymore. -- Gem (gem / talk) 03:58, 30 March 2007 (EDT)