Template talk:New player guide
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Redundant[edit]
I strongly suggest the removal of this template. The wiki's purpose is to document the game. If players are new to Guild Wars, we can easily make sure they have all the appropriate information at hand by linking terminology the way we always do. This template as it stands implies that certain articles should not be written in an all-encompassing way, simply because there may be players who don't immediately grasp its contents. I personally oppose that practise. - Infinite - talk 22:01, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- I think it still applies to guides like "how to elementalist" or "how to prophecies" (or "how to make a build"). Things that are designed only (or even mainly) to very new players. Not things like "guide to hard mode" though. Jeree95 (talk) 22:43, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
- In other words, the Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:New_player_guide list needs serious trimming. - Infinite - talk 13:32, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Revisiting this after five years[edit]
Still mostly redundant, y'all. Too many game mechanic articles are using this template and I stand by my opinion up there. We should reserve this template to actual guide articles, not all game mechanic articles. - Infinite - talk 17:38, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- I hadn't seen your original post 5 years ago otherwise I would've agreed. The reason for that long list was a user going on a NPG spree where he slapped that thing on anything that didn't hide on a tree fast enough. ;) Steve1 (talk) 19:12, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- You both have free license to go remove it from any article you see fit, i certainly just removed it from Shutdown. -Chieftain Alex 19:53, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- (ec) Went through WhatLinksHere and these are the articles I see where this template seems to make reasonable sense:
- Guide to Professions
- Guide to tutorial areas
- Guide to making a build
- Guide to PvE
- Guide to playing as a warrior
- Guide to playing as a ranger
- Guide to playing as a monk
- Guide to playing as a necromancer
- Guide to playing as a mesmer
- Guide to playing as an elementalist
- Guide to playing as an assassin
- Guide to playing as a ritualist
- Guide to playing as a paragon
- Guide to playing as a dervish
- It's also on a couple userspace pages, which are fine if the user in question wants them. Any objections to removing the template from any mainspace article not on this list? - Tanetris (talk) 19:55, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- List looks about right. For anybody else's interest here's the list of articles for it to be removed from:
Guide to character creation Guide to earning Hall of Monuments rewards Guide to farming Red Iris Flowers Guide to meeting Gwen Guide to the Norn Fighting Tournament Anti-caster tactics Anti-martial tactics Attribute Attribute point Breakpoint Caller Caster weapon Completion runs Creating a cape Customize Damage Damage calculation Energy hiding Faction farm Farming Foe behavior Guild Wars on CrossOver Guild Wars on Eee PC Healer Hero behavior Lineback Martial weapon Metagame No Attribute skill Nuker Permanent pre-Searing character Pressure Protection Pull Punish Running the game Scam Scrape Spike Tank Team roles Toolbox Weapon swap
- If there's no objections by the end of the night I'll run my bot to remove them. -Chieftain Alex 20:09, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- Fine with me. I can see Guide to character creation deserving that label though. Steve1 (talk) 20:19, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- Why keep those articles? There's value in them, that's for sure, but aren't we supposed to be unbiased? Aren't we supposed to keep true facts and numbers? --Ruine
Eternelle 22:36, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- While wikis document the mechanical aspects of the game, people also come to them for advice such as quest walkthroughs and build advice. Removing any subjective information from this wiki would make it pretty useless. Aqua (talk) 00:04, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- Quest walkthrough as subjective information? Build advice isn't that PvX job? or the talk page of skills? - - Ruine Eternelle 00:20, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- Advice like what key skills to bring for a mission (e.g. Pain inverter for Gate of Pain, "Incoming!" for Great Northern Wall, Recall for the Deep) is totally within the scope for us. Whole builds.... well i agree actually, I don't see a requirement to document complete builds, except perhaps in a few niche cases like the Norn Fighting Tournament and the Sifhalla griffon quest. -Chieftain Alex 06:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- I think there's some misunderstanding here. Alex doesn't want to remove the whole articles, only the NPG tag. Steve1 (talk) 06:12, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Campaign Walkthrough guides and Category:Builds exists; and separate templates or navs other than "NPC" can be created for those.
- Side question: can "returning players" be considered "new", if one assumes some of them haven't played since before 2011? --Falconeye (talk) 18:41, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- I think there's some misunderstanding here. Alex doesn't want to remove the whole articles, only the NPG tag. Steve1 (talk) 06:12, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- Advice like what key skills to bring for a mission (e.g. Pain inverter for Gate of Pain, "Incoming!" for Great Northern Wall, Recall for the Deep) is totally within the scope for us. Whole builds.... well i agree actually, I don't see a requirement to document complete builds, except perhaps in a few niche cases like the Norn Fighting Tournament and the Sifhalla griffon quest. -Chieftain Alex 06:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- Quest walkthrough as subjective information? Build advice isn't that PvX job? or the talk page of skills? - - Ruine
- While wikis document the mechanical aspects of the game, people also come to them for advice such as quest walkthroughs and build advice. Removing any subjective information from this wiki would make it pretty useless. Aqua (talk) 00:04, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- Why keep those articles? There's value in them, that's for sure, but aren't we supposed to be unbiased? Aren't we supposed to keep true facts and numbers? --Ruine
- Fine with me. I can see Guide to character creation deserving that label though. Steve1 (talk) 20:19, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- If there's no objections by the end of the night I'll run my bot to remove them. -Chieftain Alex 20:09, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
