Talk:King Adelbern

I thought he wasn't descended directly from Doric, but was chosen as King by popular consensus, instead of Duke Barradin. Can I have some clarification on this? –Ebany Salmonderiel 20:39, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

No, he is descended from Doric.--§ Eloc § 01:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Where can you prove this? If I recall, through quests and dialog from various Ascalonians (such as Sir Tydus and quests in Pre-Searing), there are royalists who are not fond of Adelbern due to him NOT being of Royal Blood. File:Esig2.jpg Eldin 03:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

First sentence on the page says he was. If you need more proof, go to your Prophecies Manual. It says it there.--§ Eloc § 04:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

The manual does say "Descended from the great King Doric", though Opposition to the King has Devona say in the opening dialog: "It's sad. These royalist fools oppose King Adelbern because he was not born into nobility. They forget that it was Adelbern who saved us from the Guild Wars and the old king, Grenth Be Just, who nearly brought Ascalon to ruin."

Then again, "not born into nobility" may have other meanings and may not have to do with actual bloodline. File:Esig2.jpg Eldin 17:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Well I'd take manual over quest anytime.--§ Eloc § 17:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

(reviving old discussion) I wouldn't, the manuals are always outdated and full of BS. — Skuld 21:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

They could both be right. Adelbern could be from a bastard lineage of King Doric and there for be not of "official" royal blood.--SirFranz 05:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

How can we be sure that King Doric was even the King of Ascalon? the Lion's Arch description states that King Doric and his bloodline had their palace in Lions Arch.--67.86.113.242 13:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

You are right and wrong. King Doric was the ruler of the unified human kingdom before the guild wars split it into the factions we know today (orr, kryta, ascalon, ect.) So yes his palace was in Lions Arch and probably in Orr as well, though I don't think at the time Ascalon was much more than a settlement (dont quote me on that, just speculating)...so he was not actually king of Ascalon, but rather the unified human kingdom. When it says Adelbern was descended from Doric that doesn't mean he was his son, Doric lived a long time before Adelbern. Nay the One and Only 19:36, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the Guild Wars was what split it. Nothing says what split it, just that Orr and Kryta became their own nation. How it seems to me is that LA was a summer retreat, and Doric lived in Ascalon, while ruling over Orr and Kryta from there. Also, regarding the quest/manual thing: Salma is a descendant of Doric, but was not an "official" heir to the throne. Adelbern's liniage is bound to be the same. After all, even Shiro was able to track his bloodline to the first emperor, and he was decended from a concubine like Togo. All four are cases of descendants from the "first king" of their own continent that did not rule the country via heritage. Adelbern was most likely descended from a royalty that never took the throne (or by a concubine of a previous king). For all we know, Adelbern and Barradin are brothers. Though I doubt that otherwise Rurik and Althea would be cousins and dating (ewwww royal incest! - though that's not uncommon). -- Konig/talk 20:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

king adelbern

how do you get to him in pre -serring --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User: 137.186.192.101 (talk).

Can't. The people you see in the map close to him are those who are watching the introductory video.--Fighterdoken 23:36, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

how heartless

i was already curious what adelbern would have said about his son if he knew about the true situation and that rurik finally had to die - kinda twice, as he doesn't talk about rurik during the titan quests afaik. Well, all he has to say in droks (idk when or how he actually got there) is that you should get your butt back to Ascalon and help defending against the charr, wtf? —ZerphaThe Improver 20:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, he has absolutely no reaction about his son's death. But then again, he did denounce his son and cast him in exile from Ascalon, along with all of his followers, the Ascalon Vanguard and the players themselves. That could be an explanation of why he didn't care. --68.207.156.253 02:10, 23 October 2008 (UTC)Kaysan Smithee

Multiple Sons?

In the manual description it sates Rurik as being his "Eldest son, and heir to the throne" Does anyone know if it's implying that Rurik is not Adelbern's only son, and if so is it known who the other(s) could be? Or did I just totally miss this information all together?

Apparently, that makes it sound like it. Eryops3 04:59, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

The manual says eldest, but the Movement says "last heir" - it's quite interesting. Perhaps either Rurik's younger son died before the migration of the ascalonians, or perhaps all that was left was daughters and Ascalon, unlike Kryta, is a patriarchal royalty like Cantha. -- Konig/talk 20:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Wife?

I find it strange that I've never heard anything about King Adelbern's wife, or any Queen. Does anyone have any information on this? - Ziggurat 09:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, you're right. Eryops3 04:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Rurik is just a clone....a ZOMBIE CLONE!! :O Nay the One and Only 19:38, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

The manual also talks about Rurik being the eldest son, but the Movement says he was the last heir to the throne. Hmmm... -- Konig/talk 20:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=22355&storypage=3 : Soesbee: There was so much that we wrote right at the beginning of Prophecies… there was a background story centered around King Adelbern and how he claimed the throne and his son (Prince Rurik) and Althea and the wedding they were supposed to have. There’s this gigantic amount of lore that we wanted to show and didn’t have a chance to show. 77.164.17.245 18:31, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

IMPOSTER!

Joke subject title, but in all seriousness, there are two King Adelberns in Pre-Searing Ascalon City. Head up to where Baron Egan is standing next to the Guild Registrar and Emblemer. It's a large flat area up there. Head to the far east corner and hold Alt and his name will show up. Then face the north wall and check out where he normally stands as seen in the cutscene.

If for some reason you can't see him from there, head down the stairs where it leads down to the water near Sir Tydas. Look off toward where Warmaster Tydas would be standing in post-searing (square landing with stairs leading up flanked by two stairs leading down into the water on either side) and hold Alt to see him standing in the middle of the landing.

So uhh... Basically I'm wondering "What the hell?" --Knux 06:12, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

ive seen the same.i will get a screenshot up...mabey --Neil2250 , Render Lord 23:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Every good ruler has a few doubles sulking about to prevent assassinations and such, didn't you know that? >.< Nay the One and Only 19:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

This was a great trick to deter assassins. Still in use today. Also; Star Wars. -Tong2 18:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

i got a screenie :p--174.101.12.101 00:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

King Adelbern destroyed Ascalon

In the trailers from GW2, the dungeon Ghosts of Ascalon preview, the charr that speaks to you during the dungeon cut-scene says:

Charr: "This was originally charr land, but the humans pushed us out and built Ascalon on top of it. Over two hundred years ago, we took our land back."
Charr: "The human king Adelbern, watched his soldiers panic, as we breached the city gates. Facing certain defeat, the doomed king, refused to surrender."
Faded Alderbern voice: "RETREAT? RETREAT IS NOT AN OPTION!"
Charr: "Adelbern smashed his ancient blade Magdaer and cursed Ascalon..."
Faded Alderbern voice: "You will never abandon me!"
Charr: "*NOT CLEAR* the attacking legions, turned the defending humans into vengefull spirits."
Faded Alderbern voice: "WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER! NEVER!"
Charr: "The ghosts see the living as invanders, they show no mercy and no weariness, only blind hatred... Adelberns hatred..." --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.56.237.61 (talk).

Well, yeah. Nice to see that he finished the job the Searing started. -- Hong 13:57, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The ancient blade is Magdaer. And we knew this. Konig/talk 18:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah no, sounds like Charr propaganda. Guild Wars 1 never had good story, especially for the poor player character who's being used by everyone and never had his own choice in things. So just imagine how fucked up EoTN and Guild Wars 2's story is, when Eye Of The North was suppose to be Utopia, instead they all these bullshit races like the Asura which completely destroy the lore and genre of the game. I never understood why I never played as Devona, Aidan, Eve or any of the heroes which actually fit in the lore and have a reason to fight for their land. A random self-insert out of many just isn't very compelling to fit in the story. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.25.110.139 (talk).

Invisible near the lake

It seems that Gum Drops has an invisible friend in pre. --MageMontu 19:24, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

So they removed Adelbern's second model... but not his name? o.o Konig/talk 20:15, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, I never recall seeing his model near the lake, only his name. --MageMontu 20:18, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

ISnt that just because he's to far to see his model but close enough to see his name? -- Magamdy 06:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Look closer, behind the name you can see the green circle which usually appears around the NPC when clicked on. --MageMontu 12:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. The circle wouldn't appear without a model, even if it's an invisible model. I've tried with other NPCs in several places, but as soon as I get close enough for the circle to appear, the model appears too. I still wonder why is that there. MithTalk 14:33, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Can I point at this?--MageMontu 17:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

If that's directed to Mith's last question, I think he meant "why does Adelbern have a duplicate" not "how can there be a name with no model" (fun fact: Yakkington in the Wedding is also like this, as are the Elegant Sarcophagus (the model for Yakkington and the sarcophagus are not attached to the NPC itself, forcing one to click the name rather than the model), Embedded Arrowhead, and other HotN "items." Konig/talk 18:16, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah sorry I misread Mith's comment. Starting to get sleepy here. --MageMontu 21:25, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Should I add this as a bug or something? --MageMontu 12:07, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) @Mith: While doing the Titan Quests in HM, I witnessed a charr ranger's model disappear just before their name did, so distance can remove model before name. @Mage: I wouldn't call this a bug, but rather an anomaly. A bug has to be unintended by the developers, this could most likely just be an oversight from when they made the cinematic (e.g., original plans may have been to have him where the duplicate is, but he was moved and the original King Adelbern never moved - as one potential scenario). Konig/talk 20:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Not that anyone cares almost four years later, but no bugs or anomaly, he is invisible due to distance. You can see him with cam unlocker. Proof: http://i.imgur.com/gIOlrrx.jpg 216.147.135.217 20:35, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your work. Sad thing that camunlocker cannot be found anywhere anymore. On a side note I recall models disappearing also under other circumstances (I remember nagas or onis disappearing on a bridge in Maishang Hills), so this may be an effect of the level design.--Ruine Eternelle 08:25, 23 September 2015 (UTC)