Talk:Rodgort's Invocation

After these changes, I am tempted to test this in Hard Mode with the Fire Imps in Hell's Precipice. Players themselves can use it with the Glyph of Lesser Energy to gain some energy and dish out major destruction. --Longasc 10:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Ooo...Lava Imps that uses RI and Mind Burn. Lightblade 23:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I've been running dual Attunements with this and Archane Echo and it's spam city. Nice alternative for people who don't have/don't want to use Searing Flames.

Something to note..I got hit with this for 466 damage from a Spark of the Titans on the Hell's Precipice mission.

Why was Captain Greywind (North Kryta Province) removed as a skill trainer? He offers this skill. 69.139.84.104 16:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Check his page. All skill trainers allow you to purchase skills already unlocked on the account. - HeWhoIsPale 17:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Did something change? I have an ele with this skill, so it's unlocked, but nobody else can buy it from anywhere. The heroes can use it, though. YonaLee 16:12, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

As noted on the Skill trainer page, since this is a Prophecies-only skill, you can only buy it from Prophecies skill trainers once this skill is unlocked. --Silver Edge 23:20, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Heroes

Zhed & acolyte can't use this skill properly, most of the time they only use it on foes wo are below 25% health. 19 August 2007 (CDT)

DPS Data

Full data gathered while Testing Damage per second(DPS)
1,252 Over 62 seconds.
average dps of 20.
Best damage in a single second of 109 at 1 second
Death occurred at 30 seconds
Data collected using the standards written Here.
~ Zero rogue x 08:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

And who cares? DPS from a single spell that can only be cast every 7 seconds in perfect circumstances is meaningless data. --Edru viransu 04:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Grammar please, I cant understand what you mean. ~ Zero rogue x 20:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

The only thing that was improper grammar in that was the and before "who cares?". DPS from a single spell that can only be cast every 7 seconds in perfect circumstances is meaningless data. --Edru viransu 20:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree here. Listing DPS for every skill is rather pointless, as they're either A) very easy to calculate (single target, no condition spells, such as your DPS edit to flare); or B) So situational that calculating against all possible targets wouldn't work (like thing one). Honestly, I don't think DPS belongs in most skill descriptions...

The main Reason I'm doing this is because I constantly get people not knowing the ability of certain spells. People thinking X spell is bad for some reason, when if they would just do the dps they would find its one of the best. Those people don't think or don't want to do the dps calculation so I plan to let them have it at arms reach for them so they have no reason for their ignorance ~ Zero rogue x 21:49, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Also we may want to move this to my dps discussion page here. ~ Zero rogue x 21:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Single-target DPS is an absolutely horrible way to rate (or even otherwise describe) most spells. As I've said before, single-target, "spam spells" are easier to calculate than even opening your Web browser to check the DPS, so what's the point? (No, I have no interest in going to your talk page - I will address this indivually as you do edits to pages, and revert as needed (such as here, where it makes absolutely no sense).--Mystisteel 22:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Your not that important, but keep telling yourself that anyway. Axel Zinfandel 02:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

The DPS data has now been removed TWICE. Once by Readem (which you, for some reason, reported as vandalism?! He was reverting a page so it made sense...!), then later by myself. In my change, I've referred folks to this talk page. Hopefully, the local administration is fully aware of the futility of listing single-target DPS for an AoE spell. --Mystisteel 22:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Really, what's so wrong with a little more information? It's an AoE spell, yes, so by having single-target DPS in your mind, it's all a matter of simple multiplication for however many targets are within range. AoE just means total damage scales with foes in range, but single-target damage is always relevant to the kill speed against each target. Seriously now, he's taking the trouble to improve this wiki and such poor attitudes are shooting him down. That's not cool. -- Hercanic 10:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

image

Man, don't you guys think that the image looks like the Balrog in the LotR films?

I was thinking the same

nerf

Mind Blast eles got hit hard...--Ryudo 20:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

=(. Aye, real shame. Still a fantastic skill. Spiking every 5 seconds with it was a little silly though I guess. --BlueNovember 22:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

It needed to be nerfed. This skil did well over 140 (including burning duration) and it was insane with dual attunement or mind blast.William Wallace 01:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I didn't even notice the nerf, I run this on a double-attunement ele. This will certainly make fighting Spark of the Titans a bit less irritating. KrelusDerian 00:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

grammar

can someone verify that the concise wording is "effects" and not "affects"? --VVong|BA 22:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

In game it is affects, which is grammatically correct. Affect is the verb and effect is the noun. It is being used as a verb here. Zyph Skerry 22:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

TROGDOR THE BURNINATOR!!!

Rodgort=Trogdor. I wonder who at ANet or whatever came up with THAT idea?

A pure genius. That's who. They need to just change it to Trogdor's Invocation though. Would be much better.--72.189.85.47 07:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to three years ago... Arshay Duskbrow 09:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

so you can hit for 150 fire damage in pvp now ?

wtf :s why izzy why :( Lilondra *gale* 11:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Izzy's been playing FPSs. If you can't kill something in one hit, it's not powerful enough, obviously. - Auron 11:54, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

YH only this is aoe and stuff Lilondra *gale* 06:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

This skill isn't all that dangerous. At 15 fire magic, it deals 151 damage to a 60 armor target. Still costs 25 energy and has a 2 second cast that basically begs you to interupt it... Any good team has a ranger, and any good ranger has a brainstem. Seeing as how that ranger is smart enough to breathe and have a pulse, he has an interupt on his bar, and knows when to use it.72.161.115.13 02:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

distortion says hai2u--66.66.95.26 00:26, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

You also forgot that you shouldnt have to waste every int to prevent some ZOMGWTFSOMANY damage Lilondra *panda* 10:59, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

42 unpreventable damage (burning) + ~70...120 damage (warriors with shields...monks) X number of foes caught in Nearby AoE = devastation. Followup with this for more fun, manage energy with this, this, and/or this, simultaneously heal yourself for up to ~125 health with this. Yes, smart players will interrupt you. But you can say the same thing about Palm Strike or Jesus Beam or even Wounding Strike...that doesn't make them any less powerful. Oh, and most rangers prefer to spam interrupts on recharge rather than actually, you know, waiting for you to use a skill. Vili 点 11:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I still don't believe Rodgort is OP on normal attributes though.Its costly ... However on higher attribs and in combination with other LOLDOMMAGE skills it DOES get out of hand Lilondra *panda* 14:38, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I run 15 Fire Magic and I blow up EVERYTHING. I don't even have energy issues. Raine - talk 00:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

...dude, you totally stole my SF build.  :( --Jette 05:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

No other sane person runs Rodgort's + SF. Raine - talk 05:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I did spend that month in the mental clinic when I was 14 after I got stuck in school over the weekend... I do run a bar similar to that though. I use the res sig instead of AoR because the players I tend to fight aren't smart enough to do things like remove enchantments. --Jette 07:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I can use Rodgort with Glyph of Elemental power + elemental and fire attunement + arcane echo to kill basically anything in pvp. maybe a few other skills + AoR and i'm pretty godly. :/ 98.148.16.22 01:55, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

You must have been playing against pretty bad interrupters; either that, or you're in RA (AB isn't PvP). King Neoterikos 01:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

The PvP and the AB articles disagree with you King Neoterikos. Maybe you should edit them to fit your view and see how long those edits last.--71.176.47.42 04:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

ONLY if I find the skill somewhere else

I was playing my Elementalist. I managed to find this skill somewhere else that is not listed on the wiki IF I find a skill somewhere else and it is not listed on the wiki I will take the liberty to change it. If I messed up in posting the other location to find the certain skill I take it that someone will fix it. If you dont know of the place I listed than "YOU NEED TO EXPLORE SOME MORE" my main character has been "EVERYWHERE". So think of this has a thanks for finding this skill somewhere else closer than near end of the game.--Jabhacksoul 19:19, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Are you certain your account doesn't already have the skill unlocked? --Silver Edge 05:58, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Hero Behavior

Was experimenting with a Fire Magic Ele hero and had Rodgort's on their bar. I basically wanted them to be able to spam Rodgort's off cooldown so I gave them Elemental Attunement and Fire Attunement. As I played I noticed that the hero seemed reluctant to use Rodgort's, preferring to cast other Fire Magic spells over it so long as they were off cooldown.

Eventually I decided to go to the GToB to test out hero behavior with this skill. I gave my Ele nothing on his bar but Rodgort's, Elemental Attunement and Fire Attunement. Low and behold, the hero wouldn't use it at all against the practice targets, even if there were more than one in nearby range (which rules out the AI behavior that is shared between Dragon's Stomp and Earthquake, not using it unless more than one foe will be struck). I kept toying around and noticed that whenever a practice dummy had reached around ~25% health, the hero would then use Rodgort's and even spam it off cooldown if the foe was still alive. Multiple tests confirmed this to be the case. So yea, another great Ele skill dampened by hero behavior. Soldier198-2 (talk) 22:55, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

This isn't entirely accurate. I took Acolyte Sousuke with me to Thunderhead Keep. His skillbar was default apart from replacing Glyph of Lesser Energy with the elite version, with Rodgort's Invocation filling the last slot. The hero used the latter skill as soon as my party entered combat. So heroes using it only when foes are around ~25% health is not entirely true. Heroes won't use anything else though while GoE is active, unless the skill has a high energy cost (15+) and/or causes overcast. Wolcott (talk) 04:23, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

So I did some further testing with Rodgort's and you are correct. There are two criteria's that must be met for a hero to use Rodgort's. Firstly, for a hero to use Rodgort's against a single target, that target must be below 25% health. The hero will not use it against a single foe who is above 25% health. Secondly, against grouped foes, if at least two foes are in nearby range of each other, the hero will use Rodgort's against them regardless of their current health. Soldier198 (talk) 20:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)