Talk:There Can Be Only One

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Woo, linebacking? --Riddle 01:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Woo, smiting spikes 77.98.161.109 01:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Wait people still smite?...Then again, having RoJ's going off everywhere should be a good 4th of July celebration. --Riddle 01:18, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
"Attacks." Derp. User Felix Omni Signature.pngelix Omni 03:55, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm coming for you, McLeod! 67.182.25.254 06:32, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
The description says attacks deal 30% more damage or is it stated wrong and all damage is increased vs targets of the same profession?92.13.255.80 07:28, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Every form of damage, from spells to signets, and attacks, obviously ;) --151.64.134.139 07:38, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
When a trap is set and an enemy of the same primary profession activates the trap, and then a different profession walks in the trap as well, does the trap deal to bonus damage to both enemies (because a same primary prof triggered the trap) or does the trap deal bonus damage only to the primary profession and normal to the other prof? While the wording of the flux effect would suggest the later, the note on the flux leaves me curious. --Elven Chaos Elven's Talk Page 09:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Invoke spike vs bbsway would be funny. Double smiter with wastrels collapse, stonesoul strike (and the copy), scourge enchantments and scourge healing might be pretty deadly for you backline if running monks.88.114.116.124 12:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
@Elven_Chaos: I just tested this with User:Karasu, and the damage increase only applies to people of the same profession. Karasu and I were both rangers, Karasu brought the Derv GvG henchman, I set down a Dust Trap and both Karasu and the derv charged it. Karasu received 26 damage while the derv received 20 damage. I'm removing the note because, A) it's ambiguous and B) trap damage qualifies as a source of damage anyway, so the note is slightly redundant. --Riddle 17:50, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Rit backline, linebacking frontline (gogo Bonetti's Dervs), Monk smite-spikers! 86.31.182.182 10:25, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

this+Dragon Arena[edit]

Imperial Majesty now instakills ppl of your profession. Maybe should be fixed? 82.95.65.117 09:42, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

So? It's not like it's a bad thing, just kill the one coming at you. If you can't manage that you need a bit more practice. And besides it isn't like every imperial majesty kills and instant kill in dragon arena is a bad thing since it happens all over the place. Damysticreaper 10:46, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
It should be fixed, for the sake of balance. Then again, GW and lolbalance. Kurtan 16:31, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Both teams have the same advantages, i dont see the issue of balance there...? 82.176.8.4 18:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
If you ever have a team with more of profession X than the other, then no. However, in my experience, Imperial Majesty is used so rarely that this shouldn't be a big deal. Of course, I haven't played DA this year, but I can't imagine that people would suddenly start using Imperial Majesty against others of the same profession more often because it blows up people of your profession. It's still a very niche skill. --Riddle 18:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
I bet Imperial Majesty will just get its damaged nerfed to compensate. While they're at it they can decrease the cast time on it too since that's mostly why it sucks. Pjwned 23:22, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
If you think IM isn't used often you're not playing intensely enough. Almost all of the good players use it several times per match when going against other good players. -- User Kirbman sig.png Kirbman 23:58, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Any "good" player will use Dragon Blast or run away if they see somebody running right into them. Pjwned 03:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
No good player runs straight towards an enemy115.188.219.43 06:07, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
There's only been 1 scenario I've seen where players - good or not - run "straight" towards an enemy - right after the enemy used Dragon Blast and is alone. Even then, they usually just get close enough for it to be nigh impossible to dodge Dragon Blast and just use that. The only time I see Imperial Majesty used by someone who isn't dying a lot is around corners, and that's just to prevent the enemy from doing the same/using Dragon Blast. Konig/talk 06:11, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
@Kirbman: What's your suggestion to counter IM? FrenzyMending? :P --Riddle 11:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

GOod players win games using only kowtow 188.220.30.102 12:04, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Pets[edit]

It's assumed that all pets are rangers, but this could be an excellent time to put it to the test. Each species of pets could have their damage tested to see if any pets are warriors See : Master Seeker Nathaniel's Snow Wolf. If any pets are warriors, that could make for interesting warrior hunting. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.179.78.65 (talk • contribs) at 23:29, 1 July 2011 (UTC).

I don't think pets have ANY profession..so nope-Luinarmlant 23:51, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Actually they do; At least in many places with pets they sometimes show up as "R petname" in the heath bar. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 96.31.83.201 (talk • contribs) at 00:13, 2 July 2011 (UTC).
Do pets have professions? Tong2 00:34, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
  1. "Some NPCs are accompanied by non-charmable animals that follow them like pets, but are simply ally NPCs" Animal Companion
    • e.g. Carlotta is a Ranger, but she is not a pet.
    • e.g. Oink has no profession (but neither is s/he a pet).
  2. TCBOO only works in PvP; I'm not sure how you could use it to test profs for NPCs in PvE.
Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 00:41, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Actualy Carlotta is an Assassin. --174.130.11.84 02:28, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
ONly in WiK, bro.--83.25.224.104 08:30, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

It is known that all creatures have a profession. Minions are necromancers, nature spirits and most animals are rangers, most NPCs that we never see using any skill are either warrior or monk, etc. What I don't know if it does affect this skill, or if it only affects players and 'playing NPCs' like the GvG ones or those that appear in capture shrines. You could try in the isle of the Nameless PvP version or the skirmishes to check if it does. MithUser MithranArkanere Star.pngTalk 19:58, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Had my pet (a Moss Spider) fight master of Interrupts (average damage: ~20), Master of Energy Denial (average damage: ~27), and Master of Hammers (average damage: ~12). This was with regular attacks and 12 Beast Mastery. So it seems that the idea that "all pets are rangers" is wrong. Konig/talk 06:07, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Only players get the buff, but if pets are rangers, they will be affected in that rangers will deal more damage against them.Crimmastermind 06:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
The effect works only with primary professions. Secondary rangers are not affected. Also, only those with the buff will deal more damage. The rest would only take more damage. So, in the case of a pet, what counts is not the damage it deals, but the damage it takes. Maybe you should try a skirmish. MithUser MithranArkanere Star.pngTalk 07:21, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Seeing as no one bothered to investigate this matter, let me give my 5 cent. I've farmed the daily Zaishen Elite 6k faction since zkeys release, using only trapper and henchies backup (rather more successfully than with some idiot human teammates). I have observed the extra damage from TCBOO on the IWAY warriors animal companions (the default wolves). This I am certain since dust trap's Armor ignoring dmg does the same amount to the trapper enemy team. Since Zaishen Elite is a simulated pvp environment (with some flaws since the 'mix' team's mesmer uses Migraine (PVE) ) this is at least one potential evidence. Apologies for rambling. -Wrei110.175.241.56 13:05, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
An update on testing. I entered the PVP version of Isle of the Nameless and hit the Master of Interrupt's Wolf animal companion with Distracting shot (@ 15 expertise = 16dmg) and got 21 dmg every time. Next I tried a Mesmer with wastrels worry. There was no dmg increase. So this shows that the bonus dmg from TCBOO does apply to animal companions and they may be considered Rangers. I'm adding in the notes unless someone can prove otherwise. -Wrei 110.175.241.56 13:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

possible trivia...[edit]

to there being only one prince of darkness? :D Taka Ragranok 05:16, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Nope, it's Highlander. User Felix Omni Signature.pngelix Omni 05:33, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I was about to fix your link but I see what you did there... | 72 User 72 Truly Random.jpg | 13:01, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Guild Lord[edit]

Anyone had a warrior split gvg build yet? I imagine it could be quite usefull...--Mark, User talk:Markisbeest het Beest 09:04, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Worst abuse of this so far?[edit]

I see a lot of smiters going for monks in RA, and I've been doing some silly necromancer stuff for luxon attacking in Aspenwood. 'bout ready to make a ranger-killing-ranger. Vael Victus Pancakes. 23:28, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't work as well as you'd think. So damn anti-physical attacks, those rangers... | 72 User 72 Truly Random.jpg | 00:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Backfire plus Wastrel's spam is great for mesmer-killing. Not so much fun when they do it to me, though. -- Hong 10:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
The worst abuse I've seen is the very fact that Anet put this Flux in the game. 69.115.246.157 20:54, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
It's impossible to make a change that everyone will like. I've seen people despising even the insignia, when it only benefits players. It's better to have changes that some may not like that no changes at all. Stagnation is the death of competitive play. MithUser MithranArkanere Star.pngTalk 11:54, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
I understand that, but they just got done nerfing huge direct damage buffs like AS and BUH, why would they add another one and in PvP for that matter?
Well damage buff skills are permanent, flux is limited to a month. Anet wants to have it an impact on the ongoing meta in PvP and let people take different builds. This effect changes the targets of people and what and how they are gonna play. Also keep in mind, Do Not compare PvE With PvP. Damysticreaper 20:11, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Is this used everywhere?[edit]

? --203.46.11.172 23:42, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

All the PvPs, yes. --Riddle 23:47, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Maintained Enchantments[edit]

If you cast strength and honor on an assassin for example and he goes and attacks a monk, does soh get the 30% damage bonus or no?97.113.165.225 17:51, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Give me about 10minutes, im going to the nameless (pvp) ~Nelson(n122333)User N122333 sig image.jpg 23:54, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
TESTING IS DONE. When you use a maintained enchantment on a player, it counts as the person WHO PLACED the enchantments damage. However this has only been tested with Strength of honor ( I assume OP had a typo, as AND honor is a weapon inscription). (tested in PvP isle of the nameless on the master of AXES who has no defending skills) the extra % was NOT added to the total, while a warior was attacking him, just the base +5 (from max smiting prayers) ~Nelson(n122333)User N122333 sig image.jpg 00:06, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Competitive Missions[edit]

Dont know why i thought turtles are rangers but are they? Would test it myself but im not as skilled or thorough as others and more importantly im too lazy ;-) Justice 07:41, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

You probably thought that because turtles spawned from summoning stones are rangers. Damysticreaper 10:05, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
All creatures have a profession. I know no exceptions to this. But knowing that profession is a completely different thing. Turtles from summoning stones being rangers makes it more likely for the original ones to be rangers too, but we can't never know for sure without the profession letters in the names. Even when a creature has only skill from one profession, GW build system would allow that creature to be from another completely different profession, we can never know many things for sure without some kind of 'scan' skill to tell us or anything like that. MithUser MithranArkanere Star.pngTalk 17:15, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Someone marked Hauler Turtle as a ranger on the JQ page, but not the creature page, so I assume they tested it. Manifold User Manifold Neptune.jpg 17:21, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
The Jade Quarry page was modified 2 hours ago to display the Hauler Turtles as rangers. While the Siege Turtle is currently noted to be a ranger on the Fort Aspenwood and Siege Turtle pages. --Silver Edge 17:37, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
"we can never know many things for sure without some kind of 'scan' skill to tell us or anything like that."
That's pretty much what this is, luckily. 129.215.5.255 17:51, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Couldn't this be tested by having a Ranger use an armor-ignoring damage skill (not +damage), such as Distracting Shot, Needling Shot or Power Shot on the Hauler Turtle and the Fort Aspenwood Siege Turtle? Turtle Shell needs to be taken into account for Siege Turtles if it reduces armor-ignoring damage from attack skills. The same can be done with a Warrior on the Kurzick Juggernaut, since the Juggernauts from summoning stones are Warriors. --Silver Edge 18:19, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Tested in JQ with a primary Ranger using Distracting Shot at Expertise rank 10 and it dealt 14 damage instead of 11 to Hauler Turtles, so Hauler Turtles are primary Rangers. --Silver Edge 02:00, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Also tested the JQ Carrier Juggernaut with a primary Warrior and it's a Warrior. --Silver Edge 04:26, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

trivia[edit]

I think it should be noted that its not just a reference to the original highlander movie, but rather a reference to the entire highlander genre. Books, movies, fan fiction, all of it has this same quote. Being an avid highlander fan myself I vote for it to be changed. If no one disagrees I'll do it later on myself. 66.56.156.136 03:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Please don't: the rest of the genre is based on the movie. "The film's tagline, "There can be only one," has carried on throughout the franchise, as have the songs provided for the film by Queen." WikipediaTennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 04:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)