User talk:Konig Des Todes/Archive 2012

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Construct is a purely lorical term

re: This change to Enchanted armor

Fair enough. It's a useful grouping, but, as you suggest, it leads to false expectations about game mechanics. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:40, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

How the page itself is structured doesn't help, especially since there are a few articles that are listed as construct type (which are such due to a lack of a better term), and since it was previously used alongside Shiro'ken, Enchanted armor, and Jade construct prior to Eye of the North (or maybe even after...). Konig/talk 18:52, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Butting in on the discussion i advice to reword it to Forgotten Constructs instead of Enchanted Armor or Enchanted Constructs, or use a combination of the words to prevent confusion. Da Mystic Reaper 19:17, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
The confusion comes from the fact that Construct is treated like any creature type page, and the introductory paragraph of such suggests that to be the case, and furthermore Construct was previously used for certain things (of which there are still remnants of, but mostly in the form of explorable pages or linking the term when it was used in dialogue). There is 0% reason to move the Enchanted armor page, and the name of said page does not create confusion (in fact, moving it to include construct has a chance of creating confusion). Konig/talk 19:21, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
I agree it's confusing: I have to stop and look at the images of enchanted armor vs enchanted weapon to remember why they have different names, particularly since the Enchanted Hammer (Prophecies) is considered to be an armor while Enchanted Hammer (Eye of the North) is a weapon.
Since two of the five armors are Forgotten (Avengers and Champions), I wouldn't be opposed to using forgotten armor, which fits in better with "their serpentine masters". – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:29, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
In the end, I blame Anet for not being creative with names. They do that too often, imo. Konig/talk 19:32, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Sigh, yes. (It's worse for weapons, which can have different stats/properties depending on where they are found: Jeweled Staff, Flame Artifact, ...)
I'll leave it up to you (Konig) to decide whether the wiki-names for the groups should change or not. I have a preference, but you do most of the work around here to keep the designations/categories clean. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 19:48, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
The construct page used to be a mere lore page that explained the generic fantasy "construct" term ad how the concept is used in GW, and just had links to the type pages of the creatures considered to be 'constructs'. But it seems that somebody listed the creatures inside like in type pages, making it look like a type page. As a lore-only term with no mechanics in the game, we can0t have it look like a type page, which may confuse those using things like EoE. The verbose list of creatures should be replaced back by a simpler list to avoid confusions. A simple note at the bottom is easy to overlook. As for the "enchanted", I think it should be "Enchanted Weapons" and "Forgotten Enchanted" since there's no actual official term and those seem to be the most used by player for distinction. MithUser MithranArkanere Star.pngTalk 03:10, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Searching the history of the Construct page, I find it ironic that this issue comes from, once again, Falconeye. As for enchanted armor vs Forgotten enchanted - don't really care. But if it's moved, we should alter all (mainspace) pages linking to enchanted armor. Konig/talk 03:15, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected. You seem to have your words confused. -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png 03:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Actually, that time it was correct. Though I should have expected Falconeye, I didn't. Konig/talk 03:52, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Saidra's Ashes

Any idea why Kaira thought that a swamp was a fitting place to place Saidra's Ashes? Worse, the particular location is completely outside the Shining Blade's territory, so it's unlikely the spot serves as a memorial (the SBs don't seem to engage in Hajj, i.e. visit remote spots to pray/give allegiance/remember). Plus, wouldn't the ashes have come in handy fighting the Mantle?

(If there's nothing in-game that clues us in, I'd be happy to hear you speculate.) Thanks (also: HNY). – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:31, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Nothing indicates why. My guess is merely that is the area the SB were for Eye of the North - that is, they had no lore reason they just wanted it in the game (lazy...). I don't see ashes coming in handy for fighting the Mantle btw - even with that effect to them, assuming it isn't purely mechanical to mimic ritualist ashes (which can we really say those are ashes? They come and go like the wind...). Konig/talk 20:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Who's whose

Actually, the title has nothing to do with the content of this section. I just wanted to compliment you on what is (so far) the best edit summary of the year. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 09:20, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I got a chuckle out of that one when I saw it. ~FarloUser Farlo Triad.pngTalk 11:14, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Really? It's not even original. *shrug* Konig/talk 19:08, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

New Lore Pages

Where'd you find the info on these? Just curious because I <3 lore. ~FarloUser Farlo Triad.pngTalk 22:43, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

An Empire Divided - Santax added links to them from there a while back. I just got to making them while going through what red pages looked like they could or couldn't be worthwhile making. Other things he linked were other ages, "Kaineng Chang" (which is just old Canthan for "Emperor Lord" and likewise not worth a page), and "Library of Ascalon" (which I couldn't think of what to make a page out of as only its name is known and has something related to the text in lore). I'm betting the Library of Ascalon is also known as Ascalon Athenaeum. Konig/talk 03:54, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Ah, OK. I was just wondering where all these pages came from, I though they might have released something :P ~FarloUser Farlo Triad.pngTalk 20:49, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Short term redirects

According to our own category:short name redirects, "Use of these redirects are ...intentional and should not be replaced ... Even if ...the long name is more appropriate, avoid making edits solely for the purpose of replacing redirects." Accordingly, shouldn't we be sticking with e.g. [[Beyond]] rather than [[Guild Wars Beyond|Beyond]]? When did typing more code become the standard?

I post here b/c I've noticed that you've been updating such links recently. Personally, I prefer using less text (easier to read/edit/fix) (I believe this is also why other wikis follow this guideline). However, if there's consensus that more is less (or at least fewer in the redirect category), then we should update our descriptions on the redirect templates to be consistent. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

It's a style preference, similar to File vs. Image, putting spaces after the # or * in lists (or in the section headers), or bolding whole lines with ''' or ;
Basically, all that quoted bit says is "don't edit solely to replace redirects. Bypassing redirects hold merits as it keeps Special:WhatLinksHere cleaner for articles. It also helps when moving articles, as existing redirects then become double redirects (aka broken). Konig/talk 17:05, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Hmmn. I'm not sure I interpret the text the same way. Even so, sometimes, even matters of preference should be consistent for editors. (e.g. it's a choice whether we do or do not use serial commas or American spelling vs British.) However, I'd rather that the community spend more time addressing other issues (e.g. resolving merges, finishing walkthroughs) rather than worrying about this. i.e. I'll leave the longer syntax alone, but continue to use the shorter one (also: I'm too lazy to type out the longer versions).
Thanks for the explanation/background/analogy. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:37, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Imperial Dragon weapons nav

I'm okay with this change, i first planned doing it like that as well.
The reason i made it like that is that the navbars for other reward weapons like the Droknar and Deldrimor ones were made differently as well (either since they had mutiple items for the same type or non-unique counterparts). Since here we only got a shield for either Tactics or Command and just a Flatbow for the rangers, i thought i'd make that visible by just looking at the navbar. Since "Tactics/Command Shield" would have looked rather messy, i sorted it by profession, which also helps finding out what's available for each class. —ZerphatalkThe Improver 13:22, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't know why Droknar's was made differently, but Deldrimor was due to there being gold and green versions with the same name. The shield shares the same page despite different attributes, so it's silly to link it twice. Just a flatbow for rangers is not really special since it's a green set, and not a gold one.
Still better as consistency - though a reordering may be in need. Konig/talk 13:36, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Yeah consistency was a good reason to change it. It might be worth a thought to change the Deldrimor nav as well, but then again i found this nav to be the clearest one. And as aforementioned it has more than one unique weapon for one weapon type, so it would probably suffer from the simple "basic weapon nav design".
About the duplicate link thing: I even thought about splitting up the shield page since aside from the fact that it does not have all attributes available, it comes with different mods for each attribute. One one hand that's the only further difference between those two, aside from that they're identical like all those other typical "<Weapon family> <Attribute> <Type>" weapons. On the other hand we (still) have four seperate pages for the Droknar's Shields as well, i guess mainly because of the different sections about creating duplicates/finding unique counterparts, but also because of the different navbar. —ZerphatalkThe Improver 14:15, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Dumb category (maybe)

I just created a dumb category for Lucky weekend items, after noticing that the other minor special events had their own category (even if only two items). Instead of splitting stuff in category:seasonal items (an odd name if you ask me, although you didn't) into lots of categories, I thought we might create [[:category: Items from minor annual events]] (or "other events" or ...). This would include items from all the events listed as "other" under {{special events nav}}. What do you think? And where would be the best place to discuss this? (Although I suspect, at this point, most of the people interested in offering an opinion probably stalk your talk and/or mine.) Thanks. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 08:47, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I say merge the minors into one under [[:Category:Minor event items]]. As for where to discuss, perhaps the seasonal items category's talk. Konig/talk 13:06, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

WoC explorable areas

Curious as to why you made this edit linking her location to Shing Jea Monastery (explorable area) if you also want to get rid of the page.. User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 18:37, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Primarily lack of uncertainty as to what to link to. Konig/talk 18:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Scribe background

Did you see this mockup? I could fairly quickly implement that across all of the pages. User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 11:06, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Might as well use the images I made (at least top and bottom ones), as when you add more text than there is currently space, you get a breaking - which is why I didn't put the images I made live. The Scribe's entries are *far* longer than what you got. Konig/talk 11:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Using your middle image poses no benefit to the current arangement, seeing as we would have to repeat your images anyway. I have no idea how to put text in the middle of the image either. User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 12:05, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
You use div tags to put text over images. The issue with the template is getting the proper height for something which changes per article. If we go with scrolling text within the image (in which we might as well have a single image), I can easily and quickly set it up. But getting the proper height for the scroll background if we don't want scrolling within it (and I would prefer not to have said scrolling) is more difficult. Konig/talk 12:27, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

This year's mantlecon

Have I missed it? --Boro 10px‎ 14:30, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I didn't plan one out (I said last year I wouldn't - it's too much work for the amount of free time I now have), and it seems no one took up the *ahem* mantle. Konig/talk 16:26, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
We can throw a party for our unseen fellas in the summer as well. --Boro 10px‎ 16:49, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Feel free to take over. My schedule is busy until about second week of May, after which it falls into the abyss of unknown. I just hope I don't have to deal with any Elder Gods. Konig/talk 17:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
I heard that old man Henderson just pwned an elder god. So they are not invincible when summoned only extremely hard to kill (summoning sickness). The guy took C'thulhu with him. --Boro 10px‎ 00:58, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Edible stuffs

I started to revert your removal of certain edible items from Food, but then I remembered we are both in favor of deleting the article. For what it's worth, if we had an article that included items with real-world edible analogs, then it should include War Supplies (since they almost certainly contain rations, although not everyone in the Army agrees that counts as food), Golden Eggs (those are edible treats from easter; I've gotten sick from eating too many), Elixirs (unless we decide that we want both Food and a generic Beverage article), Honeycombs (technically, you eat the honey off the comb, but they are well regulated in most countries as "food"), Sugar Blue Drink (see elixir)...

But all that's quibbling... we already cover the real-world analogues to these items in Trivia sections; I don't think we need an article that outlines something that (a) has no mechanical importance to the game and (b) has very little to do with the in-game stories, characters, or histories. It's a bit of trivia, but not worthy of more than a sentence or two...and we already have those sentences. – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 01:45, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Gray is killer on the eyes, and even highlighting doesn't help. I suggest you not use the color again for text - unless given a dark colored background. And who ever once mentioned anything about "real-world edible analogs"? Certainly not me. Hell, no one did. It's always, and I mean always been about "edible substance" (or rather "food"). And next time you argue something from a lore standpoint... don't ignore the lore and argue why it's the case due to mechanics. ~_~
About Golden Eggs - eggs are, as far as I know, not golden. If they were golden, then they'd not be edible (screw your candy comparison - they fucking count to Treasure Hunter so they are gold for all I care). Konig/talk 02:47, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you are getting angry about. Not all that is golden is made of gold; the golden eggs I've eaten were foil-covered. (Also, the reason I greyed the text was to make it hard to read; it's a tertiary point and I didn't want to distract from what I thought was our agreement that there's no need for an article called, Food. I apologize for quibbling at all and confusing the topic.) – Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 08:26, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Wasn't angry, though the lack of mood in text obviously showed that. Konig/talk 16:45, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
I suppose even if it was gold, (ie with real treasure value as the title bonus implies) then it could have been ingested magically, consumed in ritual flames, evaporated into the mists or used in a suitably spectacular manner. Use your fantasy guys. Not everything needs to be edible if you can doubleclick on it. --Boro User Borotvaltgandalf Sig.jpg 19:11, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
"Not everything needs to be edible if you can doubleclick on it." My point exactly. Konig/talk 20:27, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

My Userpage

Thanks a bunch you dont know how long I've been wanting it like that. Now I'm gonna try and mess with it and add some color or something. I dont know exactly but thank you. User DrogoBoffin sig icon.png Drogo Boffin 04:15, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Tyria Map redirect

Hey Konig, I think you redirected the wrong map :) . The 'Tyria world map' one is the old version (last update sept 2010) and the '6.1' is the new version (last update dec 2011). You can also tell by how I straightened the Elonian coastline after that Guild Wars 2 globe came out. Thanks! Auslander 23:00, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I was certain I redirected the thinner map which had Elona too big. I will double check. Konig/talk 23:01, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
It would seem that the file names muddled me up, if we were to look at the edit dates. I'd like to simplify the map names though... I'll fix. Do you mind if I tag the older map for deletion if I fix all the links? Konig/talk 23:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Edit: It seems I can't tag it for deletion due to it being protected thanks to it being previously used as the feature article image (from before the new one was made). I'll have to contact an admin about that. Konig/talk 23:04, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that was exactly the original issue which led me to upload the second file as a new media item. Please clean up file names/delete the original as you see fit. Thanks! Auslander 23:24, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


Can you tell me if this page loads slowly for you? Its referencing a 79kb page to pull out the number of files and it loads fine here, just wondering what anyone else's speed is. User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 23:13, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

My speed is fairly fast, so I'm a poor test subject, but I load fine. I wonder though if you could stack up the side images to reduce the number they repeat. Konig/talk 23:33, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Halved the number of lines in the end.. if I can think of a better way of coding I'll fix later :p User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 23:40, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Dialogue images

I don't think we do have the green one with the star at the moment, if you indicate which one you want from these I can extract them.. User Chieftain Alex Texmod Dialogue UI buttons.png
--User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 13:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Blue, not green. Second row all the way to the right was the one I was referring to. Konig/talk 23:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Dialogue quest mark ingame.png Couldn't think of what to call it but oh well :p --User Chieftain Alex Chieftain Signature.jpg Chieftain Alex 00:14, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Nightfall Beyound question

Do you think once GW2 comes out they might go back 2 gw1? Beowulf July 7,2012

It would be wise of them to do so, since they have two incomplete storylines and only a couple months ago the live team was expanded by 2 members (gained 3 iirc, lost 1 who went to gw2 - then 2 weeks later they go work on gw2 for the pre-release rush). Whether they go to Elona or focus on the Lunatic court and Evennia is up in the air though, I'm hoping they focus on the Lunatic Court and skill balances tbh. Konig/talk 17:27, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Main page revert

Thanks for catching this, i was in such a hurry i didn't notice it. --CrazyRabidSquirrel 20:26, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


Are you ready to bring those boss lists back to the mainspace? -CrazyRabidSquirrel 22:39, 19 August 2012 (UTC)