Talk:Rebel Yell

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Contents 1 Copy / paste error? 2 Ascalon Charr? 3 Billy Idol? 4 Stacking? 5 Trivia? 6 Incorrect Ingame description 7 Best Faction Bonus? 8 bug? 9 Starcraft??! 10 Bonus Adren 11 Sometimes

[edit] Copy / paste error?

Norn territory? -- Gordon Ecker 19:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC) Yes it was >.< Omens 02:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ascalon Charr?

Do Ebon Vanguard title skills and the title effect work on the Prophecies Charr? - HeWhoIsPale 19:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Did Lightbringer's Gaze work on Prophecies Titans? Nope! Same thing probably applies here... File:Esig2.jpg Eldin 14:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes it does work but only if you get exp. Dancing Gnome 21:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

It works in ascalon, as long as you get xp from the monsters. 217.123.100.130 15:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

For energy and adrenaline maybe, but has anyone tested the armor bonus? MithranArkanere 14:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

All the skills could potentially be tested as well. However, unless there is evidence that it is not working, I dont see a need to do so. It would be rare for a skill with one condition and several outcomes to report one outcome, but not the other. --Xeeron 14:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I tested this against a level 23 Charr Flame Wielder using Flare. Without Rebel Yell: 67 damage. With: 60. -- bcstingg (talk • contribs) 17:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

It most likely works as it doesn't say that you have to be in Charr territory.--§ Eloc § 08:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

It works on all Charr, of all levels. LB Gaze doesn't work on Proph Titans because they aren't (technically) part of Abaddon's armies. Yet.

[edit] Billy Idol?

Rebel yell is an actual term and not just the title of a song. There's no way to be sure whether the skill refers to the song or the Confederate battle cry, but it seems more likely to me to be the latter. 404notfound 02:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

It's probably better to go for the most accurate source Terra Xin 04:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The skill name really isn't a reference to anything, I think. The Vanguard are rebelling. It's like a shout, a morale boost for the soldiers fighting back against the Charr. The thought that it would specifically referencing something is silly, unless ANet really has that much time to think something out like that.--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:75.111.194.242 (talk).

They do have the time. See Drakes on the Plain, Blimm, and Rodgort's Invocation for a few references. In my opinion, the name is probably a reference to both the song and the battle cry. I'd imagine somebody thought up one or the other, someone else in the office pointed out the second reference, and they couldn't resist putting it in given both meanings. ~ Mortimer 09:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Or (and this is a crazy far-out theory here) they're rebels and the person in the picture is yelling. They do have time to think of stuff like that, yes, and they do it sometimes...but in this case there is zero evidence for either theory. On the contrary, this whole Rebels = Confederacy theory is pretty much disproved by how discongruous Ascalonian history is with American. It doesn't make any sense. Green Arrow 12:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree, that is a crazy far-out theory, considering all the other pop culture references ANet uses. Here's an idea, though. Why not add notes about everything to the trivia section, like on Gadd? ~ Mortimer 20:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, the only place that refers to the Ebon Vanguard as rebels is the skill Rebel Yell, which is another indication that the skill name is a cultural reference. ~ Mortimer 20:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The Dawn of Rebellion, among others. And no, no notes to the trivia section. I'm OK with that for things that are pretty much definite, but this is a bit too sketchy. I mean, it could be a trivia reference, but just about anything could be a trivia reference. There's nothing to back it up except the name, which perfectly makes sense not being a reference. Green Arrow 22:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Or ya'll could stop assuming either way and ask Emily to confirm. You should have an answer by this time next year. -Auron 22:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Dawn of Rebellion is talking about rebel Charr, not the Vanguard. It's almost certainly a trivia reference. Also Auron, good thinking! Done! ~ Mortimer 22:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah that's more useful, lol. ^^ (edit, just adjusted the spacing to make it make more sense oops) Green Arrow 23:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

It's totally absurd to claim that this skill's name should be derived from a Billy Idol song, when the description of the effect closely matches what the Confederate soldiers tried to achieve by shouting their "rebel yell" going into battle. But since we're obviously not going to agree on this, I'll just remove the nod to Billy Idol ... OR I will insist that we put a trivia under "Sneak Attack" stating that the name was derived from the Jack Wagner song Sneak Attack. Manassas 15:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. Green Arrow 19:13, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, both should be mentioned, imo, because of the skill guideline here -> "Trivia about the skill, such as the skill name being a reference to pop culture."

Like both references are a "reference to pop culture". -- riyen ♥ 01:24, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) My point is that the fact the skill has the same name as the title of a Billy Idol song is purely coincidental. To me it is very obvious that the skill is a reference to the Confederate battle cry (from which Billo Idol also took his title). My point, both above and below, is also that you could probably find at least one song matching half of the skill names if you wanted. What about "Meteor Shower" by Owl City, or "(When) You're All Alone" by Avril Lavigne? - Shold we put that in the respective trivia sections? Manassas 10:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Stacking?

Does this armour bonus count towards the 25 armour cap or does it work more like an insignia? --Curse You 23:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it falls under the cap, but is able to give more than 25 armor itself. It is a skill and is on your effects monitor, so according to that it should be part of the cap. 84.87.168.39 00:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

How is it able to exceed the 25 armor cap if it only goes up to 10AL? -- Strike When Ready 21:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

It's a valid question, actually, because even if "it only goes up to 10AL", it's nice to know whether or not using another skill will provide the maximum armor gain (i.e., if I use "Save Yourselves!", do my teammates gain 100 armor or 90? --Mystisteel 21:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia?

The icon looks like Sousuke? Clearly it's Captain Langmar. You can just make out the head band and patch. The spiked shoulder armour also gives her away. Makes more sense being her too. Sousuke indeed...

[edit] Incorrect Ingame description

This skill doesn't give any bonus adrenaline, and the +2 energy functions like soul reaping, you just need to be in range. -- Arkhar 02:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Best Faction Bonus?

I think this is easily the best faction title bonus. Adrenaline, energy and armour against Charr! Can be used in Dungeons with effect AND in Prophecy! Dwarf one is the worst.... all those dungeons and how many have destroyers in them? Pfft. Dancing Gnome 19:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

While the dwarf bonus is very focused, the fact remains that the destroyers are typically much harder than other enemies, and it is useful in most of the primary quests if you want to hand in multiple Hero's Handbooks. --Ari 23:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Dwarf bonus is also very helpful if you're farming Destroyer Cores for you-know-what. -AyaStowar

[edit] bug?

I don't get any Adrenaline from this buff. I've tried on HM Charr in Dalada Uplands. Is this going to be fixed?--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:80.129.88.39 (talk).

[edit] Starcraft??!

So, I pick up good ol' Starcraft and start playing the single-player campaigns...again. Anyway, the first campaign, the Terran one, is known as the "Rebel Yell" conflict. AND said conflict takes place ten years after the Guild Wars =o

No? Master Saji 06:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

No. ACW. Rebel Yell. Backsword 06:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bonus Adren

First Question. With R10, and "For Great Justice!" would this give just +100%, or +200%, or +300% (2 strikes, 3 strikes, or 4 strikes)?

Second Question. If, say, you hit a charr with Enraged Smash, or Dragon slash, would the bonus adren be affected? 82.80.144.54 01:20, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Adrenaline gain multipliers are capped at 200%., also any percent of adrinalin gained is added as a percent of a strike, if you gain 25% more energy, and you hit 4 times, you get 5 strikes of adrinalin, but if you hit 3times, you get 3 strikes, and 75% that you cant use untill you get another strike. please read Adrenaline

69.131.130.185 16:40, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Adrinalin? --> adrin 04:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Sometimes

I feel like my only purpose in life is to delete stupid trivia from this wiki. Green Arrow 01:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Except the Confederate reference is certainly plausible. The song is stupid, but the parallels between the war and the Vanguard's situation is more than just a coincidence. King Neoterikos 01:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

What parallels, other than the wording? I see, well, none. Just because they're rebels doesn't make it a parallel--there's been a lot of rebels around in history... (forgot to sign sorry) Green Arrow 01:50, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Read my talk page. King Neoterikos 01:54, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree the song reference is stupid. However, even if it wasn't named after the wikipedia def of rebel yell, it still is similar and should stay in trivia. i dont know whats to dispute about that --adrin 04:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Until trivia is confirmed, it shouldn't be on the page. I'm removing it until Emily (or someone else who knows) gives a response. ~Shard 04:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

That's not really how it works - unconfirmed, but plausible, trivia can be noted on pages, and there are quite a few examples of this around. Getting ArenaNet to confirm it is a plus and allows us to remove "may be" and the like. If it's confirmed as being wrong, then it can be removed. If unconfirmed trivia is contested but can't be absolutely confirmed, it should be discussed in terms of plausibility and likelihood. -- pling 11:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Confederate reference is certainly plausible. --JonTheMon 19:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

As is Billy Idol. What do you do with two plausible references? ~ Mortimer 19:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

include them both --adrin 19:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Adrin. We should include them both. -- riyen ♥ 21:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. The song reference is obviously coincidental. You will probably be able to find a song to associate to every single skill in the game if you wish to do so. If we put the Billy Idol song in the trivia here, I will insist that we put a reference to "The Flogging Molly song Wanderlust" on THAT skill page. On the other hand, the nod to the Confederate yell is certainly plausible as the skills functionality closely resembles what the Confederates tried to achieve with their "Rebel Yell". Manassas 10:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Confederates couldn't use PvE skills in PvP. -Auron 11:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)