Talk:Fourth Anniversary content update/Archive 1

$10 for Extra Zaishen Storage Panes

Are you joking? Seriously? If you must charge for it, it should be something more reasonable, like 99 cents. I know I won't be wasting $10-40 on storage slots. --Hawk Skeer(Talk) 14:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand the pricing, either. Currently, we can buy character slots for the same price, which will hold more items on them, and with which you can actually play the game. The storage is nice because it allows you to swap and share items, but I've never had a problem storing on mules for the permanent stuff (HoM sets, holiday items, upgrade components) and keeping the day-to-day stuff in storage. 10 bucks seems like it defeats the purpose. --Mystisteel 15:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Anet wants to make more money off a failed "game" that's going to keep failing until they fix it.

This is honestly criminal. The amazing live update, containing the storage improvements everyone needs, and it's going to cost you $40 dollars. And you can bet the menagerie (which probably won't allow storing pets) will hand you three or four books or worthless items. And the new quests will hand you some more worthless items. How much do you want to bet the "bonus extra free" storage pane will involve making a purchase for something else in the NC store? I'll bet ya $40, I need storage space. Happy birthday! 68.193.113.198

Originally said updates to the Hall of Monuments and storage... it's already storing copies of our dedicated mini-pets, how could they have dropped the ball on something so simple as turning the HoM into a storage facility for dedicated items like pets, elite armor and destroyer weapons... that's what most of my storage is being eaten up with anyway.

I, for one, find the pricing structure reasonable. Would I like it to be cheaper? Sure! Who wouldn't? But the game doesn't write itself, and the programmers and staff should be reasonably compensated. I'm looking forward to the extra storage space which is more convenient than 'mules' for me. I can't speak to the other updates as I don't do pets or PvP at all, but I will be buying the updates for my account just for the storage space and convenience. --Matilda Da Hun 17:39, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad you're happy with the price, but that doesn't mean it makes sense. For 10 bucks, you can buy a new character slot, which will hold 45 items rather than 20. I can understand your not being a fan of mules, but there's just a ton of things a player wants to keep, but doesn't want to generally use (HoM items, typically). This same player will not be maxed on character slots. So, please - buy the updated storage. Your getting robbed and gleefully accepting it doesn't make the pricing logical. --Mystisteel 17:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Reasonable because NCSoft actually needs the money, or because it's becoming the latest KoreanCashShop scheme and you're there for them to milk? Enjoy your $40 Storage Expansion Pack.68.193.113.198

Korean cash shop schemes are better. I know one Korean grind fest MMO where you have to buy items that upgrade your storage, but you don't have to use them. In fact, you can sell them to other players or give them away to friends. This means that people who don't mind spending a few hours farming don't have to pay real money and people stupid enough to use the cash shop end up paying for the game.72.64.8.131 22:51, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

The reason it is so much, is because of just how many more servers they are going to need. It may not seem like much, but adding a possibility of say, 20 items, to even just a million accounts, will take a HUGE amount of space. And how else are they going to make money to continue the production of both Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2? Money doesn't grow on trees, and neither does programming code, databases, bandwidth, art, power, etc. If you don't want to use the new storage, you're not being forced to. It is being added to the game as an extra! You are more then free to continue using your mule system. Personally, I will most likely be spending at least $50 on Guild Wars this month. Which I have not spent a dime on for around a year. It's up to you whether or not to join us. Kairu 19:09, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I think you all (except some people) make this too big... Do you think it cost too much? Well, too bad for you... Then you buy no storage upgrades... You should be happy they give you the change to get more storage... You all need to chill down... |Cyan LightLive!| 19:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't a storage slot get added to each character? Thus, with the minimum of 4 characters, you're getting 4 extra storage pages for each slot purchased. If you have all chapters linked into 1 account, a new storage slot adds more overall space than a new character slot for the same price. (Ralmon the Gen 19:32, 11 April 2009 (UTC))

No, this is not the case. Paying 10 bucks for a new storage tab will provide a total of 20 storage slots across all characters on the account (for a total of +20 storage for 10 bucks). Storage is shared. Paying 10 bucks for an additional character slot will provide +45 storage in total for the account. --Mystisteel 20:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Doh! You're absolutely right! The storage slot goes into the box (i.e. account), not into the backpack (i.e. character). I let myself get lost down that wrong thought path. (Ralmon the Gen 06:40, 12 April 2009 (UTC))

It all makes sense now. They load us down with book after book and mini after mini until we're bursting at the seams and then charge for storage. BRILLIANT GW stimulus plan.--71.29.171.226 20:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

You guys can let Anet scam you all you want, it's not my money your wasting. One item record is probably but a few kilobytes in size. If it's 500kb(I doubt it would be that big per record... probably more like ~50kb), that would mean they would need about 37 terabytes of new space for 4 million accounts to get one new pane. That's not that much space, and storage is cheap. 1 TB hard drives cost around $100 dollars. So for just a guess it would cost them somewhere around $100,000 for enough new space and backup space for all 4 million accounts. And if all those 4 million accounts max their storage with upgrades, that would net Anet $160 million. That's a 1,600% markup. What were you saying about "covering costs"? These are all really rough estimates, so if anyone has the knowledge to make more accurate ones, go for it. --Hawk Skeer(Talk) 22:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, how about letting the smart players not pay anything and let the stupid players pay for the server for a completely broken game. 72.64.8.131 22:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Let's see. I have paid about 200 € for Guild Wars over the past 4 years. For a normal game, I pay 40 €, and it entertains me about a month (that's the weighed average - weighed towards the better ones). So I have paid 5x as much for 48x the amount of entertainment. Not too bad, is it? If I had played a well-known and very successful subscription based game for as long, I would have paid 120 € for the game and expansion packs and about 500 € for subscription fees. And y'know what? Even if I KNEW that they were developing something I don't care about, don't need or don't want with the 10 to 15 € I would have to pay every month, I still couldn't say: No, I don't want this, I won't pay. Here, I have this option. (And to who now has the idea of telling me that "their servers run better" - don't get me started on that archaic server structure most subscription AND free-2-play games use to make the game run "smooth".) If I choose not to need or want the additional tabs, I don't have to buy them. As much as I know that I don't NEED any additional armor sets, minipets or books. (I like them, I use them, I keep them. But I regard them as something optional that I want, and thus am thoroughly unable to see them as something that was forced upon me in order to make me require more storage...) While I'd agree with most - like Wyn, below - that the same price for a storage tab as for a character slot seems a bit... lopsided, I think most people overreact. Buying this stuff is OPTIONAL (unlike subscriptions) and PERMANENT (by common definition (within the lifetime of the product), unlike how Storage Increases are handled in most "free-2-play" games) - don't need it, don't want it? Don't buy it. Nobody forces you... just my 2 cents. - 84.178.108.50 23:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

You're forgetting the energy costs for running said hard drives Hawk. Calculate those costs for the next 5 years, which is likely how long they'll run. Also, include the fact that they need to buy more than they'll use, because they cannot accurately predict how many people will make use of it. 145.94.74.23 07:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

How many numbers do you need to save an item:

item type: 1 number
armor: 1 number  or damage(min,max): 2 numbers
range: 1 number
skin: 1 number
color: 3 numbers
3 incriptions (type, min, max): 3 numbers x 3
So at max: 17 numbers + empty spaces between them, still hardly 50kB. 84.56.218.23 11:27, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Are people forgetting that they've already given us more storage tabs for free in the past they probably can't afford to keep giving us more so the deal really is fair(not that I'm planning on buying the extra storage).(marsc 19:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC))

Oh, please! You are conveniently forgetting stuff like Customization (character name + character uid), that costs a lot. Then they probably have proper data structures that are bit more flexible, which costs dearly (items can have weird properties, like having two suffixes), just look at prophecies collector stuff. then there is skin-related info (model, dyes ...), couple of internals you do not even know about (like serial number for unstackables to detect duping; small history of trades/drops/pickups ...; checksums ...) etc etc... And remeber, the fact that item, is for example weapon and not armor does not mean that fields in data structure relating to armor disappear. Not exactly 50k, true, but definitelly in Kb range. If know about thing called backups and replication, it goes up to 50k per item easily Zweistein 13:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Skin and dyes are mentioned, but Customization I forgot, then there is price. Other numbers used for items could be: salvageable (y/n), material types, material amount range, chance for particular material, quest item (y/n), level req., stackable, stack amount, spawnable (y/n), fighting animations used, sounds used. But there is no need to save those with your character. They are more likely used in the class describing items. 84.56.218.23 14:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I really do not understand what all the fuss is about. ANet decided to offer an extra optional service and set a price for using that optional service. If you don't want to use the service for whatever reason, being too expensive for your taste could be one of those reasons, just don't use it. The worst thing that could happen is the service not being used enough and ANet deciding either to cancel the whole thing or lower price. 88.159.81.164 15:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

It's a FREE GAME

Whiney babies need to realize that ANET has to make money somehow. And I bet that within the first few months after the realease there'll be a sale on the panes76.122.21.219 17:47, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Idiot trolls need to realize that they've already ripped plenty of money out of the community with four individual games and a slew of unlocks and character slots. That's besides the point. Storage space shouldn't have a price tag. It's people like you that make bull like this "reasonable". 68.193.113.198

The NPA violations stop here. As for them "ripping plenty of money out of the community" everyone has to keep in mind that your initial expenditure, while it's great for the company, does not provide a sustainable cash flow to pay ongoing salaries, server costs, etc. Without the monthly subscription fees, they need to have a way to continue to generate that maintenance capital. I do however agree that $10 is too much for the benefit it will provide. -- Wyn 18:35, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

And users of this wiki needs to realise that if they don't follow GWW:NPA they will be blocked. Backsword 18:36, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

"There's no such thing as a free game" or storage pane for that matter...--71.29.171.226 20:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why everyone is complaining. Everyone's getting a minimum of one free storage pane, possibly two, and then if you're a really hardcore GW player and you need even more storage than that, you can pay for it. On top of that, these Equipment pack things, in my opinion, are going to ease a lot of the stress on my inventory at least, because weapons and armor can go into them. Don't complain about how ANET is 'scamming' you, they already run the servers for free, so they have to recoup costs somehow. Especially now the incoming flow of players is drastically reduced and there are no new campaigns coming out. They're trying to keep a steady flow of cash coming in. It's your choice whether you buy the storage panes or not. So just live with it.

Data storage for Anet, unlike your local hard drive, is not free. So adding additional storage means they have to spend more money. And they want you to pay (part of) that. What's so hard to understand about that that players have to (yet again) bash Anet falsly about that? 145.94.74.23 07:52, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I can;t beleive that people are complaining so much. I mean really, did it pass you bye that each backpack is going to get much bigger and you get five packs and an extra pane. I think that is more than enought freebies along with my pet zoo.124.182.178.98 08:57, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I can't believe it either, people are acting like Arenanet are scamming them even though there used to only be one pane for item storage, it's not like are selling the right to have the storage to switch items between characters, just the extra space, though when you think about it with the equipment pack it wouldn't really matter as much(since equipment is the only thing that can't be stacked even if the packs stored 5 items on each character it would save me a huge chunk of storage space).(marsc 19:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC))

Wow, the amount of retards on this page

If you don't want to spend $40 on storage unlocks, don't. Simple as that. Stop QQing about something they didn't FORCE you to purchase. People who complain about a lack of storage deserve to be shot; I bet 90% of the rubbish inside your mules aren't going to be used, sold or be anywhere close to useful anyway. Stop blaming anet for your own incompetence in self-managing pixelated items which has no bearing on your real life. Sigh, the amount of dumb people QQing just makes me gripe; stupidity is too common nowadays, whereas "common" sense is nowhere near common.Pika Fan 01:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

GWW:NPA again, Pika. Backsword 09:02, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't care. If what I said is untrue in any way at all, ban me.Pika Fan 10:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok, what you said is true, but please bring it next time without the NPA violating stuff... |Cyan LightLive!| 10:07, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I think the top article on my user page (reposted from here since someone QQed about it and pressed the big delete button) pretty much sums up what the new non-content means for the majority of players apart from a few obnoxious loudmouths who will continue to perfect their naso-anal interfaces to the bitter end. Clan Yumemiru 15:07, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

So according to you pika, 4 year long term veterans of Guild Wars who've spent almost every day/week playing, accumulating armor/weapons/collectible/etc, and who've bought every campaign/CE/bonus/etc deserve to be shot because they actually do need more storage space (despite what your e-rage opinions present). Anet is milking more money out of their community not through another campaign or bonus, but through something that most people actually need (more storage). If you can't see the need for additional storage (even if yours isn't full yet)you probably haven't been playing longer than a month.--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:68.193.113.198 (talk).

No, a.net is milking money from players with things they don't/shouldn't need (you might do well to remember that ArenaNet invented all kinds of crap which put pressure on storage, plus people got separation anxiety from cool-looking but useless items/armor sets), plus if you need space you can get it from them more efficiently (the price of a storage pane and a char slot is the same. 20 vs 45 storage slots. Maximum 4 extra panes or max 26 char slots. Do the math. But you're probably too lazy to do the character login swaps to consider it viable.) -- rather than choosing to develop content now that their (not-so) great new game slipped into the vaporware realm - rather than refreshing the game with new stories and new content, they have chosen to simply regurgitate old content - easy way out (just as stupidly nerfing random skills is far easier than sitting down and doing things proper - after all, chasing the rainbow is a superior strategy. Given the choice between being bilked for a storage pane (and make no mistake, we all know what an ArenaNet promotion means) or paying up for a new (mini)expansion/campaign, I'd much rather pay for the latter. Clan Yumemiru 19:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Clan, I suggest you take your insults to some fansite forum because your continued NPA violations are done here. -- Wyn 19:16, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Lets look at this logically. How does the a.net update apply to you personally? If you're willing to spend money on storage, you gain 4 storage tabs across ALL your characters for 40$ plus a free equipment panel. If you're not willing to spend money on storage panels, you still receive the free equipment panel (which incidentally I've got one and a half panels full with weapons that I'm itching to add to this panel). You lose NOTHING. You only are gaining, money or no money. Unless you're the type which must have the absolute max in everything no matter how stupid but not willing to pay the money to get it, you shouldn't be complaining, and if you are one of these types, get a job or get a life. --80.16.169.162 09:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

GWW:NPA

In response to some comments I am reading on this page, GWW:NPA as I read it, is not being violated on this page. NPA is No Personal Attacks, that is, directed against contributors. Anet is not a registered user here, some of their employees are, and they are not being attacked. Ergo, no GWW:NPA violation. Correct me if I am wrong. – josəph 11:23, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Look up and read the section above this one... THAT is a direct confrontation against some contributors and that is counted by NPA |Cyan LightLive!| 11:40, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, Pika Fan was directing his comments towards several whingers on this page, no one person in particular. No violation. Any sysop disagree? – josəph 15:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

LOL, Pika shows some support in which he doesn't direct his comments at anyone, and just endorses Anet's Directon, and the Bashers of Anet may go their free will. Please, ban the people who diss ANet all the time.--87.211.112.253 16:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

If you are under the impression that making personal attacks vs several persons will somehow except you from GWW:NPA you are dead wrong. Backsword 17:40, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Registered and offended user here Anet 18:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

lolz |Cyan LightLive!| 18:32, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I disagree Joseph. Calling contributors to this wiki stupid, retarded, lazy, etc. is a violation of NPA and will earn a block if it continues. There have been several warnings issued on this page for it to stop, well, the warnings are done now. -- Wyn 19:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Anons right, if they even look at me a way somewhat untrustworthy/disappointed/hostile.....BANSTICKAnet 18:49, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Equipment packs

Those will be useful for my armor collecting characters, provided they aren't the "pay to get" part of the update.-- anguard 14:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

From what the website says, the only thing you purchase are extra normal storage panes. Though I'm slightly confused by the equipment packs, are they like a portable storage where you just double click a equipment pack and a box comes up(kind of like the one you get if you complete missions without collecting drops assigned to you)?(marsc 19:20, 12 April 2009 (UTC))

As I understand it, those Equipment Packs will fill a fifth spot in the inventory (like Backpack (unremovable), Belt pouch, and the two bags) and have slots like any of the other bags, probably marked with some symbol, and you will only be able to put "equipment" - that is, "wearable stuff" (weapons and armor) - into those slots. - 84.178.86.76 00:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Compare it to the profession bags from WoW. That's the picture I'm seeing 68.193.113.198

????only things they are going to updtae????

What is written on the site is a preview" of what they are going to update so techcically there must be more,like HoM account-wide --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:84.196.126.75 (talk).

yeh, but they want to leave the rest as a surprise =). ~PheNaxKian Talk 18:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Why does everyone want to open their Xmas presents on Thanksgiving? -- Wyn 19:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

NO, I didn't said it to ruin the surprise or anything like that.It's just that there is/was no mention about the HoM update(on this page).Wich they promised in an earlier update preview --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:84.196.126.75 (talk).

remember to sign your comments. That's fine then, Linsey and the others have said that the HoM update will be include with this update. ~PheNaxKian Talk 19:52, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

File Size vs Storage Upgrade....

I've seen a lot of people who are defending the cost, the few that are anyway, of the account storage upgrade by saying that ANet would more servers because of it. Those players/fans obviously have not been around that long due those players missing some key information here. ANet has revealed in the past that a player's account with everything unlocked (meaning all the champeigns, skills, titles and eveything that goes with titles, and full inventory) on all characters with all character slots unlocked and in use only comes too 56KB. So adding just four more storage slots isn't going to make them need additional servers. Also, Jeff Strain and others have stated multiple times in interviews that people would be surprised at how cheap it is to run an Online Game, particually Guild Wars. Also, people have suggested that the reason it's $9.99 was that could be the cheapest ANet could put it in the store for some reason. Those players seem to have forgotten the $5 bonus weapon package as well. What it all comes down to it that Guild Wars is not free to play as they like to claim. Games like Rappelz let you play the full game without any cost or inital buying cost unlike Guild Wars. Both due offer added advantages if you purchase from their online store though. So in the end, Guild Wars costs more money and charges outlandish prices for the basic necessities like storage. We can should also expect the same from Guild Wars 2 though probably to a more drastic level. ~ 66.90.104.89 05:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

IMO there's a huge difference between using cash to buy storage space and using cash to buy better equipment. I really appreciate the addition of a fifth container slot for equipment, but, like you, and, apparently, quite a few other players, I also dislike how the additional storage tabs cost far more per item slot than character slots or mule accounts. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 06:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I've been playing GW for a while now, and I only remember the promise of "No Monthly Fee", which holds true. As far as free-2-play games such as Rappelz go, go to their forums and have a look around: You'll find as many people complaining that "you'll need 10 times as much money to play a f2p game than a subscription based one", that "the game is broken/unbalanced/not fun to play/too expensive to bother" and "doesn't get bug fixes, updates or new content" as you'll find on this wiki and all fansite forums complaining that "Guild Wars 2 will be a WoW clone", "Anet tries to scam us" and "Guild Wars is broken, stale, dead and/or not worth playing" added together.

Don't get a Korean cash shop MMO if you're going to PvP. Subscription-free MMOs are for PvE, if you PvP on them you will either regret it or end up paying several times the cost of a subscription. If you're going to PvP get an RTS or an FPS.96.233.2.149 23:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

And that isn't counting stuff like Atlantica Onlines "Rent Map Travel or Being Able To See Enemy Health Bars at 3 € (each) per month", Silkroad Online "Play at 3 to 5 AM or buy Premium Access for 10 to 20 € per month", Shaiyas "Get exclusive access to 25% more power per level increase AND the equivalent of elite skills with the downside of maybe having your character deleted if not rezzed in time in Mass PvP (likely after having been mobbed) OR using a premium item (1x use 2 €, 3 hour duration about 3 €)" ... and that doesn't have Talent/Skill/Class Reset options (which you have to pay for in real-world money in many of those games, and in VAST amounts of in-game gold in subscription-based ones) counted in, rentable Storage (done temporarily in most of these games) or many other things.

I still agree that the price for the storage addition is a little bit too high (although I think they may reasonably be a tad more expensive per item space than a character slot... after all, it's more convenient) but I also don't get it why everyone is trying to figure out how much the additional space will cost and then demand that this should be the maximum price. ANet requires income. They haven't been requiring much money from their players (as most buyable stuff is permanent, a very refreshing difference to most f2p games), and they have carefully chosen what new items to add to the in game store, so they can get a new source of revenue. Yes, pricing is a bit off, compared to other options, but after all, it's a company, and they have to make money to continue. And of course, the stuff that is put up for sale is something people will want, or think they need it.

If you think that they're now scamming you to save themselves from a failed business model (a theory I've read far too often) then you should have jumped ship the day they announced EotN and GW2 (because it was clear by then that their stream of revenue would slowly diminish (for a while, at least), and anyone could guess that by the development history of GW1 that the release date for GW2 in 2009 was pretty unrealistic). Saying "I saw it coming" after it has happened - and you were involved - isn't very impressive. But then again, now that you're still here, you might just hope for the best... as some of us still do. - 84.178.116.148 14:19, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Let's look at your storage needs...

Just a simple overview of costs of various methods of storage.

Additional Character slots

Cost: $10.
Slots provided: 45
Cost per slot: ~22 cents (USD)
Benefits: Access to your account; Don't need GW2X, two computers, really trustworthy friends, or all of the above.
Cons: Limited to 26; not all slots are going to be used for storage.

An extra account

Cost: At most, $50
Slots provided: 220
Cost per slot: At most, ~23 cents (USD)
Benefits: You can purchase as many of these as you can afford, additional crafting storage, possibly the cheapest per slot (how many places sell GW for $50 anymore?)
Cons: Requires GW2X, two computers, trustworthy friends, or all of the above.

Storage Upgrade

Cost:$10
Slots provided: 20
Cost per slot: 50 cents (USD)
Benefits: Convenience.
Cons: Most expensive per slot, limited to only 4


Simply put, if you are going for more storage for the cheapest price, this Storage Upgrade is not your jar of cookies. The only way ANet could sell these to thinking people is if they lowered the price to no more than $4.44 per Upgrade. --Riddle 07:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Quick Question: If I choose to make the informed decision of buying a storage upgrade instead of a character slot, because I regard a game as some sort of luxury good and thus think that spending a little more on the additional convenience is better for me than reducing cost by using the optimum efficiency way (that I know of), does this make me less of a thinking person? What could I do with the 9 € I save from using 1 character slot instead of 2 storage tabs? It's a rhethorical question, really: Because anything I could do with those 9 € I could have done 5 times as often with the 45 € I spent on Guild Wars in the first place (just the first game). And to me, entertainment, as I get it through a game, is - by its nature - about as philosophical a value, as convenience is, which means: Either I apply efficiency criteria to both - or to none. I'll still keep using my three mule characters (of which I, by the way, use 44 inventory slots - one always stays empty for birthday presents) but I keep the option of adding storage tabs as I see fit, for convenience, without being or becoming less of a thinking person because of it. (Rather good list you made there, though, and I can't argue with the first sentence of your conclusion.) - 84.178.116.148 13:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Riddle I think you omitted from your calculations the new equipment bag we're getting per character which can hold 20 weapons/Armour -- Salome 14:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Yea, that makes the storage upgrade price even more ridiculous. --Hawk Skeer(Talk) 14:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Why did you omit Access to your account; Don't need GW2X, two computers, really trustworthy friends, or all of the above. at the Storage Upgrade Benefit? --Arduinna 18:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

@84.178.116.148: Philosophy is philsophy; my philosophy is anyone that deliberately spends more than double for the sake of a tiny bit more convenience is a fanboy. (Off-topic: Anyone who prattles to me about NPA, I will secretly hate.) The only reasons a person would do such a thing are: That person has complete, undying adoration for the company, or that person just didn't do the math for whatever reasons, or both. Anyway, if we're going to have a philosophical discussion, let's do so on my talk page.

@Salome and Hawk: Forgot about those, but I am not going to figure the armor slots in because they aren't universal.

@Arduinna: That falls under convenience. --Riddle 18:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Buying PvP accounts or all 3 campaigns as a package would net you the best bargain when it comes to storage slots. This is not so much as a way for anet to earn money; rather it is a test for the presence of common sense and brains amongst humans nowadays. If they are stupid, they buy storage slots. If they are not, they will buy new accounts. Simple as A B C.Pika Fan 19:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Here are detailed calculations regarding the comparison of different kinds of ways to extend your storage slots. Those who are looking forward to brighten their life with virtual storage of a pixelated game should take a look at it. [1] Pika Fan 20:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll pay $10 for a SKILL UPDATE

because the game really needs it. 212.198.238.3 23:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Only $10? I'd pay $20 for Anet to balance the game properly.96.233.2.149 13:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Patience. :) -- Wandering Traveler 13:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, nice :D --Kigamo 18:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't mind it as much if they...

I wouldn't mind this price as much if they made books not take up proper inventory space, made salvage/ID kits be a single stackable item with 'charges', added a mini storage to the xunlai agent, quadrupled crafting material storage, and added this weapon storage stuff. Really it's already been said about the storage space, etc. If they made the kits 'chargeable' and instead of inventory items, made all the books in their own little pane where they only appeared when a character had them (Meaning they'd be a true/false value in the database), and added crafting material storage so people didn't have to stack in multiples of 250 they'd actually SAVE on server space, while freeing up many inventory slots. Wolvenmoon 02:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

How Much Space does Anet need?

All this talk has made me curious.. How much server space and how many servers is actually needed to run GW's? I am assuming 3-tier client server or more. Ie. Application Server / Database server / Client. My GW.DAT is currently about 7Gb. If there are 4 million Gw's people out there, that makes about 2.8 Pentabytes of data that has been downloaded from their servers. If you are like me i have downloaded the full client about 3 times in 2 years. So, considering we keep all the heavy graphics and stuff on the client side... what else does ANet require on their side? What does it cost for extra storage space? Can anyone actually in ANet please tell us what this update is costing so we can stop all the theory crafting. 210.8.191.97 08:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Your GW.dat is seriously around 7gigs right now? Should be less than 4. Back on topic, I highly doubt Arena.net will tell us anything about how much this update is going to set them back. But no matter what it is a business and they need to turn a profit to keep going. The actually cost to run the new storage will be less than what players pay for in the long run. But my guess, until they break even they will be in the hole on this. No matter what you have to remember when running servers for anything the key word is redundancy. Data servers with RAIDs, and back ups of those RAIDs to store all the information. Game servers, and once again back ups in case those fail. Maintenance crews to keep the hardware running. It all adds up. Iskandr 14:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

watch this video (2007) NCsoft Powers Massively Multiplayer Online Games with 64-bit Windows Server. And like Iskandr said, its not just about having servers, but having High Availability Servers (OS, Databases, Communications, others). You'll hear concepts like Server Farms, 'Backup', "Storage Space', Replications, Clusters, Mirroring, Load Balancing and a few others. Its not as simple as having a few servers online, because you need to ensure these servers are always online, that it can take the stress, and that when a server fails, some other server kicks in while maintenance team restores the fallen server. There are many many more issues to consider here. I think ANet has done a great job at keeping Guild Wars online and stable, and if their cost for servers is lower than their competitors, I'm sure they will want to keep that 'competitive advantage', which is one reason they will not publish just how they do it. Security is another topic we could discuss another day. --Nekki 15:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

your gw.dat should not be 7 GB. also, it's a petabyte. not penta --adrin 19:47, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Er..

Call me an idiot, but can someone manage to explain the point of the menagerie? I'm not being sarcastic; what does it do?! Sentry007 17:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Multiple pets for your character.-- anguard 17:07, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Unlock pets for PvP and give you easy access to pets you have already charmed. Once you have charmed a Black Widow and showed it there, for example, Black Widows are available in the menagerie for all your PvE and PvP chars. If I understood it correctly - anja 17:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

GuildWars, not WoW

What the hell is going on? Samilar to Daily quests ( Zaishen quests ) will be available now. And now you'll be able to purchase storage tabs to increase the space for your storage? Seriously, sure it's all about that Anet needs to gain money somehow, but isn't there any other way? This starts to become very gay.. Why won't Anet take care of ; example Shadowform. It have mess'd up the GWs economy enough, you should stop it now before it's too late.--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Happy Neville (talk).

Why is it that SF is what has 'broken' the economy? After 4 years, there is very little in this game worth any major gold, simply because there are so many of them. All that will happen if they seriously change SF is that those players who enjoy it will be unhappy. I think the new content is fabulous, and yes, since ArenaNet doesn't charge us a monthly subscription fee they DO need to have ways to provide additional servers for the storage of additional data that comes with expanding storage, so while I don't agree with their pricing structure (it may change) I do understand why some of the stuff they are doing has to come with a real money pricetag. -- Wyn 19:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Way to get off topic, thnx alot Vanguard and Anja Sentry007 23:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The Zaishen Menagerie sounds like a good idea I guess, seems to be account wide and I'm hoping since I can't unlock all evolutions of say a Jingle Bear, that hopefully he is included in "all pet types" category when it comes to being able to unlock them with other means. --O Frost O 21:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I think that people dont need to moan about SF. If you dont like it, dont play it. If you like it, go ahead and farmmmmmmmmmmm! ^^ |Cyan LightLive!| 21:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

If you had been around GW long enough and participated in the many many Gaile chats and read Lynsey's talk page from way back you would realise that a System to allow different pets for the same character has been requested since pre-Factions. Along with a hair stylist, Auction House and more storage it was one of the top most requested features. This update gives us two of those requests so It's pretty good. The Zaishen quests also fulfill another common request since campaigns stopped being released. A worthwhile reason to do individual quests in the game from older content and a reward for "farming" PvE by playing not clicking 1-2-3-4 next to raptors. It also focuses player numbers in areas which might not otherwise have them and gives incentive to do dungeons which don't drop a Bone Dragon Staff of Dryad Bow. Basically it's a way to encourage and reward playing different areas of the game. Sure this is a feature WoW has and the reason WoW introduced it was introduced for the same reasons. It worked very well there and it will be great for GW. 122.111.3.129 04:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

GW community goes QQ

So much QQ. :( Lazzy 21:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Got anything better to say about an update designed solely so that Anet can make more money on a failed game?96.233.2.149 23:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

It's almost like they're a business based solely around making profit. I mean, jeez. -- Brains12 \ talk 23:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Considering that there are no monthly fees, I have no issue with this...they have to make money somehow its a buiness they have to turn a profit, and if they do not make money, how can they make any needed improvements?--'*Yasmin Parvaneh* 23:23, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

You're so much better than everyone else coming here and saying nothing but "QQ"! Wow, what a prodigy!68.193.113.198

Ugh stop crying people... I just have the feeling if Arena N needs money open free donation account, so many people would donate just for the sake of GW. And the storage upgrade... its a bit pointless and pricy, but its not essential to obtain it doesnt change actual game for you so please stop QQ.--86.29.82.196 12:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

truth, there are alot of people here who would break their banks giving money to ANET for nothing, why not open donations? Also QQ because i want to be trendy <unsigned>

How is paying $10 for a storage pane any more of a problem than paying $10 for a character slot? It's not like you're required to buy them to play the game. Pkohler01 18:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah - if ANet was just doing this for money they wouldn't offer the limited time free pane and free armor storage slot, so I suspect a marketing person set the price without realizing it is cheaper just to add a character (or maybe the price of another character is going up, but I doubt it). I remember reading that they didn't increase storage with the additional tomes because it would cost too much to add the extra disks required. The armor slots can probably be tailored to use less storage and the limited time offer of a free pane is for active players, so they don't need to give it to the hundreds of thousands or even millions of inactive accounts. --Falseprophet 22:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I think the issue everyone has is not the idea of spending money on slots, but the price. The fact is that a good majority of players don't have full character slots, and for 10 dollars, why would anyone buy a xunlai panel when they could buy a character slot that you could actually play on. More importantly, how much crap do people have that they need more storage, haha. Right now, I have about half a panel of storage available, including storage of miniatures and armor (the latter of which, which on its own takes up a panel, will be solved thanks to the equipment panel update, no?). Lower the price to $5, and people will be happier.-Warior Kronos 23:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

HEY GUYS...GUESS WHAT!!! This game makes money by new and plentiful installations every six months to k-e-e ...oh wai... Killer Revan 22:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC)