Talk:Game updates/20080306

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General comments

And again, paragons get even more nerfed, the adrenaline decrease wasn't needed either... FirstSunspear 20:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't anything too harsh, Wail of Doom seems interesting though. - 79.74.92.225 20:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Shroud of Silence is completely dead now. :( [~ Reaper ~] 20:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Yea wail of doom --> HA? FirstSunspear 20:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I see no nerf here, A minor energy increase and recharge on two skills isn't much of a nerf, especially when the healing power of one of those skills got an increase, ONE skill got an energy and duration nerf without a positive skill impact...And the equal and opposite reaction was the adrenaline cost of two others got a decrease and the healing power of another got an increase. Seriously I fail to see the problem here... Kinslayer 20:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou for the Kaanai Canyon fix. :) -- Smarty 20:40, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

What about the design a wep contest skins anyone found any yet?? :P--Wild rituals 20:46, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Andrew said the can be found in dungeons, especially those that aren't too popular.--Talos of Flanders 20:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Why Watch Yourself T.T Toa Hahli 20:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Awesome, I love it... nerfs everywhere, reworks everywhere... (btw, they should remove Victory is ours, it's a bit retard, just make VoD +30% damage) --‎ Rayd 23:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Pretty crazy update. — ク Eloc 貢 17:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

LOL Shroud of Silence

Shroud of Silence is now the equivilent of Blackout. oh wait, except blackout is better? LAWL!

Silly old izzy, you are your ignorance —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.10.145.41 (talk • contribs) 23:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC).

This is my favourite nerf on the board this round. SoS sins were getting way out of hand in places like RA, where it allowed a sin to instagib a monk. (As long as it wasn't a two monk team, of course) Blackout isn't better, it's different. It shuts down ALL skills on your bar and theres, where SoS is only your spells, allowing you to go through with a dagger chain. THAT is why it needed, and recieved a nerf. --Srakin 05:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

its designed to be anti caster, assassins need super strong skills, but have really long recharge times, this was possiply the best anti caster skill in game, disable a monk, but loose all of you spells, no shadow steps other than stances, and no hexes. Needs to be buffed to shorter recharge if only 3 sec, nd onlt 15..10..8 second skill disable Annoying And Deadly 04:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

The best anti-caster skill in game is now Wail of Doom. MiraLantis 04:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Could've put it 1...2s and 60s recharge aswell. R.I.P. Shroud...ppl never learnt to use CoP then :(.151.49.89.94 12:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

CoP = Contemplation of Purity = Spell? The only thing that stopped this was a Pre-Veil. The effect in itself wasn't necessarily OP, but chained between 2 Sins that also had blackout was very OP. Also very annoying >.< --65.110.253.170 15:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

CoP is a skill, not a spell, so you could CoP out of it. Seems that most people refuse to use CoP though. Never really understood why. Yeah it's self only, but in RA it is pretty close to using a cheat in many situations. I enjoyed messing up SoS sins with it. Now, for that WoD. Still removes it, but may as well use something else now that I can actually cast something. :) Kelvin Greyheart 21:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

So why does WoD get to last longer, effectively shut down all skills, not just spells, doesn't disable the caster's skills, and can be cast three times as often? Necro love, while those pesky sins get the nerf bat?

The New Weapons

One has already been found. [1], what's that name in English? Alovich 21:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC) EDIT: And another one 'Demonic Aegis' :[2]. (By the way I don't know if this is the right place to post all this) Alovich 21:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

It's alright for now. Good job.reanor 21:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

The first is probably named "Snake Cleaver" or something similar. poke | talk 21:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

German translation team back for the attack lolreanor 21:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Sounds logical, the thing looks like a cobra from the front. Alovich 21:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Rumours of an Obsidian blade being added. saw a pic and it looks AMAZING! -- Salome 04:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Other wiki has: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Obsidian_Blade.jpg - http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Serpentine_Reaver - http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Demonic_Aegis - http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Draconic_Shield - http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Celestial_Compass 128.82.11.191 05:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

No offense, cool arts and design in part of the designers but for Anet, bleh...more Warrior weapons.--ShadowFog 13:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Is Weaken Armor..

.. Going to be stapled to Livia's bar? I think so! 89.150.70.100 21:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it seems some more use in combos now. For general PvE vs melee mobs, I would still rather spread weakness. OK, now you can spread it both... :P --Longasc 01:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Assassins

lol I know somebody is going to say it, so ill be the first. PWNT! --Lou-Saydus 21:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

also about wail of doom... WTF?!?! 2 necro = useless monk. And dont even try to say it's not worth having 2 necro's on your team. --Lou-Saydus 21:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Assassins are getting killed. Pretty soon well have to call them the backstreet boys of GW. They wont be able to do their job anymore, which is to ASSASSINATE dur. Ajc2123

It'd be nice to see assassins get an occasional buff to counteract these endless nerfs some... --(Midnight08 - too lazy to login)68.83.127.89 02:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

man they totally freakin killed siphon speed, that was like my main Assa hex in FA/AB now it take forever to recharge, =( laame --Ja 16:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

the second update

anyone know what changed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.165.122.205 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC).

1 sec recharge was added to lions comfort to stop spamming.. Thats all I've found so far —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.39.38.76 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC).

LOL

You can now steal monster skills with simple theivery. Kurzicks are owning with siege turtle attack in FA :D 75.45.94.46 22:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Torment Slashing those troublesome Torment Claws is also fun! -- Dashface 00:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Mystic Regen

Takes another shot to the gut. House Of Furyan 23:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks like every Dervish build just died. From this update and the previous Mystic Regen nerf.--220.245.179.132 23:46, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope, dervishes are fine. Only gimmicky builds are in trouble. --Mme. Donelle 23:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

If you think Dervishs are 'fine' with the Mystic Regen nerf post me a good build , and dont you dare use a Wiki Build, cause all mine have being original, not "Gimmicky" as you like to put it.--220.245.179.132 00:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I just think its funny how many PvP'ers Q.Q'd to anet about Terra Tanks and etc with Mystic Regen. So easily countered, but people are too stupid to know how. Toa Hahli 01:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Why post a build when he can be a better dervish than you because he actually has skill and doesn't revolve all their builds around one skill. Really man, one skill >_> Ajc2123

The originality of a build doesn't save it from gimmickyness, you know. When I say "gimmicky" I refer mostly to builds which rely on Mystic Regen to work in some way -- builds with a lot of enchantments that are freqently recast (think farming, obsidian tanks), or builds which use Mystic Regen for healing without a huge investment (think dual attumement eles, Verata's aura MMs, etc). My tanking build uses 13 earth -- Mystic Regen lasts 18 seconds, or 22 with a scythe of enchanting. My main damage build uses 8 earth -- Mystic Regen lasts 13 secs (16 with of enchanting), which is enough to keep it up permanently if I so wished; normally, however, I don't wish to keep it up permanently, because I'm not a crap dervish who needs to rely on 9 pips of regeneration just to stay alive when I'm not tanking. (And guess what? I don't use wiki builds either.) --Mme. Donelle 01:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind but I indented your post one more space. Just thought I'd clean it up Ajc2123

yeah whatever man, i'm wrong, i apoligize for being a prick. You and the above poster are correct. I am wrong, Dervishes are fine. Clap Clap Clap for being the best. This Nerf is so good it should be a buff. WOW i promise never to whinge ever again. /end sarcasm--220.245.179.132 02:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Stop being a bitch and accept your failage. Ajc2123

Wow u called me a bitch, that is a personal attack and warrents a BAN, you rulebreaker rebel.--220.245.179.132 02:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

OMG FINALLY! A BAN. Ive been waiting for one for like ever. BRING IT ON FAGGOT Ajc2123

checkmate--220.245.179.132 02:15, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hope you feel real proud of yourself. Big woop i don't get to post anyhting anymore. Fine with me ^_^ Peace Ajc2123

Erm. Settle down, you two. I'm sorry for being rather bitchy in my own comment, but seriously. This isn't a big deal. I saw this update coming from three miles away; in my option, Mystic Regen should have been nerfed months and months ago. It still does the job for dervishes if you remember it's not an essential skill. (Really, it's not.) --Mme. Donelle 02:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Not your fault bro. I was getting sick of all the closeminded bastards I saw in Guru and wiki. These fansites are so corrupt that I figured I'd see how long it was before I got banned before i left for good. Don't wry I didn't delete any pages of info or anything. Just wanted to give some people some trouble. Ajc2123

Wheres ma ban >_< Ajc2123

Oh yea, and btw, this is the wrong page to discuss the skill changes, theres a page for it. Ajc2123

Why the fuck are you still talking, i checkmated you --220.245.179.132 02:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Apparently not cuz I still stand. Isn't saying fuck something close to a ban? ^_^ Ajc2123

(Edit conflict) Great builds not using Mystic Regen. Btw, being original means nothing. Using a good build does. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 02:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Owned Ajc2123

I've used Mystic Regen since NF came out (Made a dervish the second I got NF). I built my own build, no gimmick here. It included Mystic Regen, and now it's been completely gimped. Stop your generalizations (generalizing the entire dervish population) and realize that it was a good skill and did what it needed to do.- Vanguard 02:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Then use a wiki build that works instead? — Teh Uber Pwnzer 02:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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Dervs sucked.. now they just suck that bit more... Doesnt really affect any farming builds though. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:82.201.171.158 (talk).

In response to Pwnzer, using an original build DOES mean something. If there's a build on PvXWiki, there's just as likely a counter to it because everybody can see the whole build. If you BYOB, nobody knows it,so there's less likely to be a counter. Datrulegend 13:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I can't help but say alot of the people arguing here are pretty dumb. I've almost never even used MR on my dervish and i've done fine since NF came out. Why not ditch MR for something like vital boon+pious sig, only two skills instead of MR + 40 enchants. Great Healing. Also, i laugh every time people say dervs suck. They're one of the hardest hitting classes in the game among other strengths. Why are you getting all mad over MR, it still can be upkept permanently. If your build is ruined it's time to find a new one, sorry. 65.40.196.73 16:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Even if you are using Mystic Regen, what's the big deal? It only takes 8 Earth Prayers to outlast its recharge or 6 EP if you use a 20% enchanting mod. The only builds I could see being "completely gimped" by this would be those that were running MR at 0 or 3 Earth Prayers to get +1 or +2 regen per enchantment for 20 seconds. But most reasonable Dervish builds I've seen (or made) using this skill invest 8 or more in Earth Prayers. There are plenty of other useful skills in Earth Prayers and it seems to me that Mystic Regeneration remains viable for any Dervish investing in Earth Prayers while it's been made less viable for those making only a small investment in EP. Either that or I'm missing something. -- bcstingg (talk • contribs) 02:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Skill range ingame

It seems that the range for the variables is no longer with a max of 15 attributes, but lower. Haven't figured out which attribute tho. BlazeRick 23:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

The in-game range is and always has been 0...12. -- Gordon Ecker 23:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Silly me. BlazeRick 08:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Long aftercast delays

Do any spells still have long aftercast delays, or were they all removed in this update? -- Gordon Ecker 00:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Whirlwind --Lundis 12:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Watch Yourself!

I disagree with the modification of the 'Watch Yourself' skill. The 1-3 incoming attacks and changing the timing. It is a decent basic skill the way it was and it did not need to be changed. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:24.131.219.217 (talk).

Yea, its not like it gave a lot of armor, and it needed to be reaplied a good amount which costs adren in the long run. Dunno what Anet was thinking. Ajc2123

Izzy hates passive defense, particularly if it can be kept up indefeinately. --Ckal Ktak 08:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

If he hated it so much, he should have never made it this way in the first place. I dread what he will do to GW2. This was not a necessary nerf and was hit too hard, borderline R.I.P. TristanDark84 04:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Izzys a retard Toa Hahli 12:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

no u User 24.141.45.72 15:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

no u 151.49.89.94 12:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Lock-up issues

Ever since downloading this update last night, I haven't been able to get online. The program opens and asks for my login info, and after I click Login it freezes. Is anyone else having any issues like this or is it just me? (I have no idea if there's a better place for this. I just thought this would be the logical place to start asking this question.) Thefount 02:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

GWGuru or GWOnline would be a better place imo. But no, I have none of that, neither have I heard of guildies/allies/friends who experience this. BlazeRick 10:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It went away not long after I posted this. About the same time as the Friday update. Probably just coincidence, but it works now. Thefount 14:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Anyone having crash issues should also be aware that nVidia's Forceware v.169.21 is having issues with corrupting textures in GW. You can try Beta.v.169.44, it's more stable, but still not perfect. — ( ɔ \ ʇ ) uɐɥʇıǝɹ 13:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Mystic Regeneration...again

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