Talk:Luxon

Previously it said Alliance/Hero Battles

There are no Luxon npcs in hero battles? Dancing Gnome 08:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Nobody realizes but me...

...That an absolutely huge amount of Luxon names are directly from Greek Mythology?

Nope, we've all noticed. Roman, too. Theodosius was a Roman emperor who made Christianity the official religion, iirc. Calor (t) 02:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Wrong. That was Constantine. -- Tekn0mancer talk 14:00, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

The Name Luxon

Reading the name forward, returns the part Lux, latin "light" Reading it backwards it returns the part Nox, latin "dark" ... this might be interesting to mention.

That's very interesting! Never saw it that way before. Blessed Jade Wind 14:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Jadeite Shard

I had 1 of these drop from 1 of the luxons foes in Eternal Grove HM, not sure wich one thou, 1st time ive seen them drop 1 of them

They do indeed drop these, all luxons do, from what I know. As do several of the Jade Brotherhood (which would make sense). -- Wandering Traveler 23:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Thought i'd mention as it isn't noted in the luxons npc's articles

oh? hmm...let me go add that. -- Wandering Traveler 23:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

should that be mentioned? --Blood Anthem 00:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

LUXONS ROCK! That is all.

Luxons rule, Kurziks don't! Haha! Luxon win, Kurziks lose, we rule, you don't, now die stinky Kurzik! That is all I wanted to say.

How VERRRRYY mature of you. How about I start blathering slander and offensive humor about Luxon?

Also, "Kurzik" is correctly spelled "Kurzick".

Acting all like you're so awesome... and yet you don't know how to spell properly. For shame.

• starts screaming*|Killer demon 18:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah well it's not like it's hard growing up a Kurzick, since ArenaNet is in your favor and all. Luxons actually have to work at it. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 99.67.78.2 (talk).

Notes Section

Is the slang explanation really needed? --68.32.187.152 19:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a common term used in-game to refer to them, so i think it's worth mentioning. Please note that we have both, Suxon and Kurdick, so this is not intended to be biased towards only one of them (hence the "copy-paste explanatory info").--Fighterdoken 19:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Lmfao, I didn't know those redirects were there. — ク Eloc 貢 03:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Derogatory Name - Invisible Consensus?

Where is said consensus? And why is this on the Luxon page and not on it's own page in the glossary section with the other garbage "slag" articles? 122.104.167.139 00:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the discussion about it took place on the original reverter's talk page, so it's understandable that it could be seen as invisible; the discussion is at User talk:Salome#Kurzick article. The Suxon page redirects to here, but I'm not quite sure why it isn't its own article -- perhaps it's too short for an alternative name and a redirect suits better. -- Brains12 \ talk 00:04, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

If I knew how to remove the redirect and create its own page I would do it but I don't. Other player used terms have shorter entries and have their own pages. This doesn't belong here and should be given it's own page. That way we can add the tags that all the other player terms have and people can see it in the glossary. This also allows anyone who wants to know what it means a means of finding it. This page is about the Luxon race in the context of Guild Wars lore and it doesn't belong on this page. Could you please move it? 122.104.167.139 00:28, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Those are good reasons, but a quick glance at Talk:Suxon#why redirect? seems to explain a little why it's a redirect; however, it might be better the way you explained (and I prefer that as well), so perhaps it can either be discussed or the change made. (For future reference, if you need to edit a redirect page -- click the link, and you'll see a "Redirected from Suxon" just underneath the title. Click that link and you'll end up on the redirect page which you can now edit.) -- Brains12 \ talk 00:37, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, if the notes are being moved to their respective pages, I suggest a "See also" header with the relevant term linked. However, I don't want to get into a revert war over whether or not the term should stay as it is, so... wait for comments I guess. An RFC, perhaps.-- Brains12 \ talk 00:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Since i am the one to be blamed for the merge... When i merged them, it was under the assumption Suxon is used to refer Luxons without aditional meaning (besides being derogatory), same as Kurdick for Kurzicks. This is not, by example, the case of wammo, that not only refers to warrior/monks, but also includes a lot of background information on the term itself.

In any case, since i know that this is a controversial issue for people involved with one faction or another, i guess that moving the information back to their very-short articles could be helpful, if for nothing else, to stop the revert wars here.--Fighterdoken 01:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

4 People are not a consensus. And I believe that this should stay in-game, and off the wiki. We don't need to document every word in the game -- no matter how much its used. Terms or not, there not wiki worthy. Dominator Matrix 01:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. --76.25.197.215 01:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Obviously I disagree, for the reasons on Salome's talk page. (Also, consensus isn't based upon number, it's based upon the agreement of the parties involved, i.e. those who took part in the discussion. Whether it's an agreement between 4 people or 40 people, consensus is consensus until it's challenged or revived and subsequently changed.) -- Brains12 \ talk 01:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow... is really the word to describe this, first off, the term was probably coined by some 12 y/o ass who decided it would be funny to turn the different factions into some sort of "gang war" but a majority of the player base could care the fuck less, most only do AB for title grinding to fuel the skills that come out of it. To be perfectly honest these pages should not exist, it doesnt take a genius to figure out what the term stands for, and if you actually give half a damn what faction your guild supports you're a terrible player. Its not a "Controversial Issue" Its a stupid slang term. AB is the lowest form of PvP and about on the same level as PvE. No one needs to search for the term "suxon" or "kurdick" to know what they mean and no one will, they are pointless pages that need to be deleted--99.153.226.11 22:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Let me just give you one example of who could use such pages: A user new to the game who only owns Prophecies, reaches Lion's Arch, and sees the names flying around without knowing what they are about. Sure, he could imagine that they are derogatives, but would be unable to know what the original name is, actually. (Not that it happened to me, nope, not at all).--Fighterdoken 22:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) There's a difference between the in-game significance of something and the documentation of something. The wiki frankly doesn't care whether people are terrible players (in terms of skill, not knowledge); we document nonetheless. -- Brains12 \ talk 22:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Essentially what your trying to say is that the wiki will maintain articles on what is pretty much in game stupidity. Fighter if someone owns only prophesies then what does it matter to them what a suxon or a kurdick is? What ever, if keeping something that shows how honestly retarded some of the guildwars community can be benefits the wiki, i'll stop.--99.153.226.11 03:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Luzon

I found out there is a group of islands in the phillapines thats called luzon. They used to be a trader tribes. but i cant find much more in common. Is it a coincident?

Aside from the name I don't see any similarities. ~ Chao 11:48, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

TRIVIA is wrong/misleading!! They went for a Greek sea-faring themed race, so unsurprisingly had reference to the most famous ship in Greek mythology, the Argo of Jason & The Argonauts fame. This is the primary reference, not some tenuous link with Farscape. Similarly, "Jason" in the Greek is actually "Aeson". This is definitely not a Dune reference. (Can anyone even remember a Fremen called Aeson?) If there is a coincidence there it's because a third of Dune takes names from Classical mythology.

Snake?

When I asked the historian in Cavalon, they said Serpent not snake. I think there is a difference between the two. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.191.59.25 (talk).

There isn't. Snake and Serpent are interchangeable terms with the clan. -- Konig/talk 02:24, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Just me?

Or are Luxon's way of life / NPC outfits reminding of Naitive American / Indonesian Native Clothing / Facepaint?

Jade is "scarce and precious?"

"They are at constant war with the Kurzicks due to ancient unexplained hatred and the desire over the scarce and precious Amber and Jade that was solidified from the Jade Wind." The ancient hatred isn't the only thing that's unexplained. When there's a whole sea made of the stuff, how can jade possibly be scarce or precious? -- Tekn0mancer talk 02:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

1) Been discussed. 2) The two are rare for the other sides, and 3) not all Jade is good: "the jade that makes up its petrified waves is not necessarily of the best quality." -- Konig/talk

Trivia?

Anyone else think these guys might have been influenced by the Shang Dynasty of China? I mean, Factions is Asian themed, and the Shang were the first known to use jade, and their culture put a lot of importance on the Turtle. 97.216.8.7 02:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, that 'twas I. Didn't realize I wasn't logged in... SkyMan25 21:40, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain that the second sentence of the intro is a run-on. Any english majors care to rewrite? Siris/talk 06:18, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

If you mean in the quote, that's copied verbatim. If you mean under the quote, it isn't. -- Konig/talk 23:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Move

suggest move to "Faction (Luxon)" Vlad 16:20, 14 February 2007 (PST)

No. The name is Luxon, not Faction. -- Konig/talk 23:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Territory

How about the article mentions their main cities? Like the top three being: Cavalon, The Aurios Mines and Zos Shivros Channel? Yoshida Keiji 17:39, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

"Unexplained hatred"

Unexplained is hardly true, at least insofar the generic statement goes. They're at war over who was the champion who bested Shiro, jade/amber, phylosophy and territoy. The only thing that's unexplained is why they disliked eachother prior to that time. But that doesn't seem something that's well explained in the introductionary sentence. I propose that the word 'unexplained' gets removed from the intro part. 145.94.73.171 20:58, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think they care that the other faction claims their champion slew Shiro. Likewise, territory is a wide-effect of their war. What you stated are reasons behind their fighting, not behind their hatred, which is what is unexplained. All their insults and claims to fight the other side other than for resources is that they hate each other and view the other side to be barbaric/evil/some form thereof.Konig/talk 21:55, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Re this: "It is explained. Several NPC's mention the philosophical, intellectual differences as such. Add to that the land disputes, killing and stealing and there are more reasons than can be listed." On the philosophical and intellectual differences, please state sources because all I could find or remember are really inaccurate beliefs on the other group at best and just alternative ways of insulting the other group at worst. On the land disputes, as I said, that is the effect not the cause (which is likely the case for the "philosophical, intellectual differences" as well), as is the killing and stealing. If you honestly believe there to be a reason stated cite it, because I haven't been able to find a source for their hatred - just effects of it. Konig/talk 22:52, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Image change suggestion

Suggest changing image from the banner to File:Luxon.png - cleaner and focuses on the luxon emblem itself. 98.18.25.116 09:04, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Fate of champions

From the current History of the Luxons:

"During Emperor Angsiyan's reign, the Luxons and Kurzicks became more and more enveloped by the Empire through treaties, and were at peace with each other for a short time, until Shiro Tagachi slew the Emperor and the two vassals' champions, Archemorus and Saint Viktor. With their deaths, ..."

This is incorrect. Shiro didn't kill the champions directly, he was slain by them with assistance of Visu. I suggest to change this sentence, for example:

During Emperor Angsiyan's reign, the Luxons and Kurzicks became more and more enveloped by the Empire through treaties, and were at peace with each other for a short time, until Shiro Tagachi slew the Emperor, and the two vassals' champions, Archemorus and Saint Viktor, with the help of Visu managed to defeat Shiro, but were killed by released Jade Wind. With their deaths, ...

This way the story will correlate with the stories in the articles about champions themselves. Sorry, but editing here is protected for non-logged users. --109.252.109.37 15:51, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Naming Problem: Unavoidable Redirects

The article is called Luxon, but the category is Luxons. Using Luxons in the infobox creates a link to Luxons causing an unavoidable redirect, but using Luxon adds Category:Luxon rather than the corect Category:Luxons. I am unsure what would be the best course of action to correct this. horrible | contribs 17:43, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Eh, given how this occurs for literally all affiliations, I'll just ignore it and cry myself to sleep. horrible | contribs 17:44, 11 July 2020 (UTC)