Template talk:Sic

So we use this when we find a spelling kind of error or a gramatical error and change it? or do we just place this at the end and not change it? — ク Eloc 貢 00:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Use this one for typos you find in information we've copied verbatim from official documents or stuff printed elsewhere. It kinda indicates we know there is an error in the text but it comes from the document we've copied, not from our writing it out. --Aspectacle 00:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

So we just leave the error as it is? — ク Eloc 貢 01:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Leave it as it is. Just like it's done in Skale Vigor. — Galil 02:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thought so. — ク Eloc 貢 01:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I think we should make this template autocategorize articles as 'Errors in texts' or something like that. MithTalk 14:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

How about {{#if:{{NAMESPACE}}||[Category:Text errors]]}} ? Backsword 11:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure. -- ab.er.rant 11:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

it'd be useful to have the text error category as a subcat of the anomaly category. i don't entirely understand what the above code does tho, so i don't want to just put it in. --VVong|BA 21:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

The above code - if the template is on a page with no namespace (i.e. it's an ordinary article with no prefix), it'll add that page to Category:Text errors. And I agree with the above suggestions-- Brains12 \ Talk 21:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Question about a wiki code

What extension allows Wikipedia lookup? I've noticed it has a [[w:sic]] here and wondered what extension allows that. Does anyone know? -- Tarun 23:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Our request for interwiki links to ArenaNet was made at Guild Wars Wiki:Requests for technical administration/Inter-wiki linking, so reading that may explain some things and provide links. Special:Version and, in general, GWW:TECH#Installed requests should provide some more info. -- Brains12 \ Talk 23:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

problem with game description

After the categorization code was added, when this template is put inside Template:Game description, the game description no longer displays. You can see an example at Gate of Desolation (outpost). I'm not sure if this template or the game description template needs to be fixed. Tedium 01:54, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

fixed it for now. Looks to be a MediaWiki 1.11 bug. I narrowed it down and found that if you put a html element with a valid attribute in a template parameter, the parameter will be ignored. I originally replaced the italicizing wiki code with the span [1] so it would work correctly inside other italicized text [2]. However, after testing it with a template, it looks like the <i> tag would work correctly if the inner italics tags are inside a template. However in MediaWiki 1.12 the template parameter doesn't bug out, and the inner <i> tags are escaped even if it's inside a template. So my edit should be reverted if Anet ever upgrades MediaWiki. -Smurf 17:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, without seeing what happened, I think it also could be the = which is inside the span tag as {{some template|<span style="something">text</span>}} is looking for a parameter called <span style. Changing it to {{some template|1=<span style="something">text</span>}}, or using the parameter name for unnamed parameters, fixes this problem. poke | talk 17:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Auto-categorization

I think an optional parameter should be added to disable auto-categorization in order to mark unusual but properly spelled and gramatically correct text. -- Gordon Ecker 09:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

If it's properly spelled and grammatically correct, what's "unusual" about it? I can't think of any examples off the top of my head where the template is used (or will need to be used) for anything other than spelling or grammar errors. -- Brains12 \ talk 13:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I've gone through the category and found some examples:

• "Shoes" O'Malley: "KatarinaBeetle" is oddly capitalized, however it wouldn't be the first name to use CamelCase.
• Hylek: Hylek Cuicana use the feminine Cuicana, unlike other Eye of the North Heket paragons, which use the masculine Cuicani, which is a deviation from the naming conventions, but not necessarily a mistake.
• Jovial Pete: The dialogue entry uses two sets of quotation marks, one because it's a quote of in-game text, and one because the in-game text itself contains quotation marks.
• Lars Bridgeater: In the dialogue "her spirits rage" probably refers to the ghosts under Murakai's command, although it is possible that the line is supposed to be "her spirit rages" and is supposed to refer to Murakai, although IMO the tag isn't really needed here.
• Sensali Tengu: "He's in a fowl mood" is gramatically incorrect, but it's almost certainly an intentional pun.
• Sowing Seeds: Here, the sic tag is used to indicate that Grazden says the same thing twice.
• Tongue Whip: Here, the sic tag is used to indicate that it really does cause 12 health degeneration.
• Vabbian Miner: I don't think that contracting "something's" to "somethin's" is gramatically correct, but it is used IRL.
• Vabbian Noble: The quote "Did you know that I knew Kormir before he was a god? He came to one of my parties, once." erroneously refers to Kormir as male, however this could be an intentional error indicating that it's just a tall tale and the NPC doesn't really know much about Kormir.

-- Gordon Ecker 21:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see. How about instead of disabling auto-categorisation, we change the category name instead, so it'll still categorise these unusual usages. Something like "Category:Text as is" -- it doesn't specify what's wrong with the usage (e.g. Text errors), but categorises the pages with the meaning of the word. -- Brains12 \ talk 21:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't suggesting that we completely remove auto-categorizations, merely that we add an optional parameter similar to the skill infobox template's nocats parameter to allow auto-categorization to be bypassed. Are you suggesting that we replace Category:Text errors, or are you suggesting that we add a second, broader category which text errors would be a subcategory of? -- Gordon Ecker 21:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I know that you didn't want to remove the cat altogether, but it would still be somewhat of a good idea to continue categorising every usage of the template (rather than categorising some, but not others). And yeah, I meant that we replace the existing category. -- Brains12 \ talk 21:55, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd prefer not to put actual text errors (which should be reported and fixed) in the same category as miscellaneous unusual text which does not need reporting or correction and only needs a tag to prevent good faith bad edits. Perhaps using {{sic|correct}} could categorize pages in the base category, {{sic}} could categorize pages in the text errors (a subcategory of the base category) and {{sic|reported}} could categorize pages in a subcategory for reported text errors. -- Gordon Ecker 22:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm ok with that. -- Brains12 \ talk 22:26, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Isn't this more a case of a misuse of "sic" rather than a categorisation problem? I would've removed the sic from most of your examples and used notes, trivia, or anomaly to replace it. -- ab.er.rant 14:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not a misuse. Sic is traditionally used to affirm the accuracy of the preceding text when the presumed audience would otherwise doubt its' accuracy. -- Gordon Ecker 01:41, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I see, ok then. -- ab.er.rant 05:43, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, in GW:OW, 'sic' used used to say "Don't fix this text in the wiki, the text is like this ingame". But, once in the game, it can be intentional or a mistake. Those that are probed intentional should be market like Gordon said: {{sic|intentional}}, {{sic}}, {{sic|reported}}, etc... MithTalk 09:11, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

GW:OW? -- ab.er.rant 09:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Guild Wars Official Wiki, XD. MithTalk 16:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Lol, I got too used to GWW. -- ab.er.rant 16:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Appropriate?

Is it appropriate to use SIC for every instance of "I wish to play you in a game of polymock" in the game, e.g as in Dune Teardrinker? I don't think it's needed, and I reverted a few, but I didn't want to keep stalking someone over it . . . . --Star Weaver 19:02, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I've changed these 8 NPC listed here: Polymock#Opponents. If you do feel that such sentence makes sense as it is written, feel free to revert my changes. --NIN37 19:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's needed in those articles. Was anyone trying to "correct" "I wish to play you in a game of Polymock."? -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 06:03, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

You don't play people you play with people. 'To play' doesn't necessarily needs a direct object, but in that case, the only direct object could be 'a game of polymock'. MithTalk 15:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if it's gramatically correct, but it's definitely used in conversational American English. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 02:21, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, it does make more sense then I just accidentally a Coke bottle or All your base are belong to us, but still sounds a little weird... :P --NIN37 02:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

"I wish to <verb> you at <noun>" is very common American Vernacular. --Riddle 03:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm nowhere near the US and I don't know grammatically but that phrase sounds rather natural. Must be too much American TV :) -- ab.er.rant 13:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Proper sic usage

in the case of words that don't make sense at all with the context, [sic, recte (correct word)] is how it normally appears in documents, instead of just [sic]... would it be appropriate to add {{#if:{{{1|}}}||'', recte {{{1}}}''}} before the closing bracket for the sic in the template code? this allows someone to use the {{sic}} as {{sic|correct word}} to show the intentionally incorrect spelling or word choice, and what it should be if it's not apparant ~~ Kiomadoushi 22:23, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

It's not a crazy idea. I've been using the plain {{sic}} and then adding a note or anomaly that covers what should have been there. Or, in cases of minor typos, <!-- hidden comments --> might be better; the correction is not always important enough to the reader that we should allow it to detract from the body text.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 22:30, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Not including category on transclusion

When transcluding the sic template (via skill information or other ways), the category Text errors is also applied to the target page. Various lists and skill history pages are notorious for this. Is it possible to change the template to avoid such unnecessary categorizing? - Infinite - talk 19:22, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

I've been mulling over a few options, including using tags such as <noinclude>, but since the description parameter is being called and not transcluded, that won't work. I believe the same reason we can get the description to display on the regular skill page is the same reason we can get it to display on those lists, i.e., stopping category creation for one will stop it for the other. G R E E N E R 02:33, 17 October 2017 (UTC)