User talk:Auron/Archive 15

This is an archive of my talk page from 2 October 2009 to 30 December 2009. Please don't edit it; leave comments and messages on my talk page.

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first --Lemming 05:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh so this is what Wiki looks like. Daenara 07:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

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NCsoft is an asian company, get it? (It'd probably be funnier if I had thought of it before you went to get some sleep.) -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 21:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

EY YOU, GAT SELIOUS *does best Terry Bogard impression*. DarkNecrid 09:41, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Woodbadge

Good luck. Titani Ertan 13:30, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

*Ping!*

Mind checking your email, the one you've linked to your wiki account? — Jon Lupen 20:36, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

rfr/rfa

I think it's been enough time since the RfC RfR requests to start a new RfA, if you could go ahead within a week that'd be cool. -- pling 20:59, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Huh. I meant RfR, but.. you got that. Thanks. -- pling 16:05, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Btw, you do know you were nominated, right? You haven't accepted/declined yet, and it's on the second stage now, so... Titani Ertan 15:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I probably should have told you about that. Hey Auron. Misery 15:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

the laughter

I thank you for it. NuVII 10:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

all these subpages

Might as well make a blog. If that's too emo sounding, call it a Journal.-- anguard 14:39, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

You're being ironic, right? It's sometimes hard to tell on the internet. Mr J 14:44, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Half-serious. He won't, but he does a lot of rants. Could be useful on a blog-like subpage.-- anguard 14:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I was referring to this: "If that's too emo sounding, call it a Journal." Mr J 14:54, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Journal sounds a bit more sophisticated(sp), it's what most writers call theirs. Diary if you're a woman.-- anguard 14:56, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) A blog is like this: "Dear blog, today I wrote sad songs about life and then I pierced my hair and smashed my head on the wall." A journal is like this: "Wtf is A.net doing? 14:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)", amirite? Titani Ertan 14:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Blogs are for girls and emos, Journals are for people who think they're kind of a big deal. --Cursed Angel 15:00, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

should i make a blournal? -Auron 15:01, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Exactly, Cursed. It'd be perfect for Auron -- anguard 15:02, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

"Journal" stirs up images of the boy with no friends sitting in bed scribbling in his notebook about his feelings in some cheesy after school special. Headphones and posters of bad rock bands from the 80s optional. Mr J 15:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

There are "Work journals" and "Development journals", but they tend to be more like logs. Like a captain's log? Bureaucrat's log? Maybe I should have a log. Misery 15:27, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Or just plain log, where the log ends up thwacking idiots hard on the head. Pika Fan 15:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

No, I'm too much of a carebear for that. Misery 15:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I seem to recall a scene from The Tempest where someone shows up with a log. I can't remember why but I think there was also someone there in a prison cell. I could just be making part or all of that up though. Mr J 15:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

http://absoluteshakespeare.com/plays/tempest/a3s1.htm Glad I don't make this stuff up. Mr J 17:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

moving pages

No thanks, I am cleaning up.

"Remember, remember the 5th of November... Guy Fawkes 03:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

The edits I have been making have been in compliance with the stated standards on the wiki pages and are not vandalism. They are for correction of improper spelling. They are not major changes either, and I have been working on correcting any links that have become broken due to my edits. Since someone who is not doing anything wrong would not think to check their messages to see if anyone liked or disliked what they were doing, it would have been nice to actually, and here's a wild idea, talk to the person making the changes and find out why they were doing what they were before blocking them like that.

As is known (or I thought was known), the professions when used in that way are considered proper names, and as such, (from the wiki page on formatting) are supposed to be capitalised.

I have literally spent hours and hours on making things (or at least attempting to) better for every user of the GWW, not just random things because I think they would benefit me. Some specific examples, if you would care to check them out are the tables for the Horseman collectors. They (for the most part) are identical, and instead of having that same information repeated in the table that would need to be changed for however many horsemen there are, I made 2 tables, one with the transmogrifier tonic, and one without, so that all would be the correct information no matter which collector you looked at. Then, if changes did need to be made, they could be done at one spot, and would then automatically update everywhere that table was used (all of the horseman collector pages). I just couldn't figure out how to make it so that the second table only added the one line for the transmogrifier to the other table automatically.

If I knew how to make these proper changes I have been working on lately (and they are basically spelling errors) and quickly fix all of the related links, I would have done so. And if you think that spelling errors need to be discussed before any changes are made, then correcting these errors in the wiki is going to take forever. I don't think that correcting spelling errors need to have a discussion for each and every one. Otherwise, there would still be a lot of links pointing to two otherwise identical pages, one named Lakeside County, and the other Lakeside Country, because if someone didn't bother to take it on themselves to correct it, I am sure there would still be discussions about it, because some thought it was supposed to be spelled Country in this instance.

It is like I have been told by others (in analogy) who are much smarter than me, and I have attempted to pass this on to others who I felt could benefit from the same knowledge; just because the first 20 people are hammering in nails and slamming their fingers with the hammer, doesn't mean that if you want to hammer a nail in, that you need to slam your finger with the hammer too. To follow this to the "discussion" stage, it also doesn't mean that you need to discuss with the 20 people previously if you are going to hammer that nail in differently, or not.

Or for another example, and this is probably a better one. Why should you have to discuss with those same 20 (or different if you prefer) how you spell your name before writing it down?

Personally, I feel that all of the words (other than "a" or "the" or "of", words like that) in a page title should be capitalised, because in a certain perspective, they are like book titles, which are capitalised in such a format. But I have not done that in deference to the used standard.

"Remember, remember the 5th of November... Guy Fawkes 05:46, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Shut the fuck up. Your reasoning is bad. If you want to capitalize everything, get a consensus and then have a bot do it. Continue vandalizing pages after you have been warned repeatedly and shown the policy and you will be blocked. (Tee hee, see? I can be Auron too!) –Jette 05:48, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

First of all, Jette, please don't stir the pot. Thank you in advance.

Secondly, the proper course of action here would have been to hold off on further edits because there is someone disagreeing with you, Guy Fawkes - we encourage being bold, but at the same time, when someone brings up an issue with what you are doing, your response should not be "no thanks" and then continuing to edit, it should be "what's the problem, and how can we resolve it?".

It was because you ignored any attempt to discuss issues with you and instead simply continued to do things that were controversial without attempting to take the other opinions of established wiki users into account, even after they had expressed fairly strongly their dislike of your actions, that were the cause of your temporary blocking. (Aiiane - talk - contribs) 05:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Guy; this is really not the place to post that. I don't care a whit about capitalization one way or another. The wiki guidelines say to use lower case. If you want to make it "proper," go to the wiki guideline talk page and say so. Once wiki consensus agrees with you, you are free to change the articles - but not before consensus agrees with you.

As Aiiane said, you were blocked because you flat-out refused to cooperate and cease your edits until the community had a chance to talk it over. I am not the community, nor do I particularly care either way, but your edits were going against accepted formatting rules, so you needed to stop and get those guidelines changed before plowing on with page moves. -Auron 06:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

For the record, it's a guideline, not a policy. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 06:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Even so, given the amount of pages involved (and links that would require fixing), discussing it first would be better.--Fighterdoken 06:18, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

raiding today/yesterday

soz, surprise gf agro. I want my 3D title though :< -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 22:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

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But...but....teh troll fight! Karate Jesus 23:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

KJ, the culture here and PvX are different. In PvX, you can do whatever you are doing now and achieve good results, but for GWW, you either be passive aggressive, pull a blunt Auron, or don't do it at all. Pika Fan 23:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm uniquely incapable of acting differently in different places. No joke. I'm basically the same person irl that I am here, on PvX, on Guru, etc. So...yea, I assume that if I'm that big of a pain in the ass (which I can be) I'll get banned for it. Oh, and I tend to repeat myself everywhere too. That's not just for emphasis. I think it's left over from my childhood studdering as a way to make my point heard or something. Idk, my wife's the psychologist, not me. Karate Jesus 23:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Your wife just needs to step out of the kitchen and give you a good whack with the frying pan every now and then so you don't get carried away. Pika Fan 23:58, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, she does (but she often walks out of the office to do it rather than the kitchen. She can't cook for shit). Karate Jesus 00:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

She needs a bigger fry pan...or to work out more----Xtreme 00:07, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

^ Karate Jesus 00:13, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

Have a good Thanksgiving bro. Drogo Boffin 15:21, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Wheres that unsigned template at? -- Tha Reckoning File:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg 15:17, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Inorite Drogo Boffin 15:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Just a quick note that I thought you might want to know...

Click Me -- Lacky 05:31, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Which was necessary because Auron doesn't have a watchlist and as such cannot see edits on his userpage...? poke | talk 14:08, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Huh? What do you mean? Why doesn't he have a watchlist? -- Lacky 19:59, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: Nevermind. Sarcasm just hit me. /whacks self. -- Lacky 19:59, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

HAI

How are you? 114.127.246.36 17:38, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

GvG...

...is a joke. I know you don't play anymore, so I can't really blame you for not knowing - just thought I'd let you know now. ♥ is for Raine, etc. 07:49, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Tombs has been a joke for three years. I know you don't play it anymore, so I can't really blame you for not knowing. Just thought I'd let you know now.

P.S. stop commenting on PvP when you have no idea what you're talking about. -Auron 08:00, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

So which part of what I said was wrong? Please, enlighten me. is for Raine, etc. 08:06, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

You have never played GvG on a competitive level. You can't begin to comment on how much of a joke it is because you have never participated in high-level GvG matches. You getting your ass kicked in rank 500 guild matches doesn't interest me in the least, nor does it mean that real GvG is a joke. For more information, refer to User:Auron/Inexperience. -Auron 08:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

What do you consider a competitive level? Top hundred? is for Raine, etc. 08:45, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

On his page it says top 50. -- Tha Reckoning File:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg 08:49, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh, then I guess I don't qualify; only top 50 players GvG, and it's only important that their experience doesn't blow.

Unrelatedly, I never said that HA wasn't a joke; I specifically said "it's not particularly fun". is for Raine, etc. 08:54, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

GvG was never designed for the casual player. Sorry if that was your expectation. I think they made a console for you guys though, have you checked out the Wii? -Auron 08:59, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Garspike and lameshit split builds don't see high-end play; I wasn't aware of this. is for Raine, etc. 09:08, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

What are you babbling about now? -Auron 09:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

On second thought, I really don't care. Stop trying to pretend you're good at the game and stop pestering me. Anyone who thinks HA is more salvageable than GvG shouldn't be commenting on anything PvP-related, end of story. -Auron 09:21, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

GvG and HA is about as salvageable as the whole game itself, so I really don't see the whole point of the argument. Pika Fan 09:34, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

What argument? -Auron 09:38, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) What does me saying "GvG is full of defensive spikes and lame splits" have to do with my playing? It doesn't matter if I'm terrible at guildwars - it either is or it isn't. Even if we go with "only top 50 guilds matter", it's still the same shit: Balanced, Gearspike, Omega, bullshit split builds. I really don't mind the former 3, but the bs splits aren't fun to play or to play against. Why do the unfun splits exist? Because the tie-breaker mechanic is stupid! It's not a skill balance issue; it's an issue with a different mechanic.

As far as HA goes, I said HA has a shitty meta. What needs to change for HA to stop being stupid? Skills!

So, which needs a skill balance in order to be fixed? Which is the absence of a skill balance allowing to remain shitty? When commenting on the absence of a skill balance, which stands to gain more? Just a shot in the dark here, but I'd wager that it's the one that's in the dumps because of skill problems.

I'm not sure how me being top 50 or not has anything to do with that. is for Raine, etc. 09:43, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

The fact that you have no idea what you're talking about. Your entire posts reeks of it, but I'll give you one example:

"What needs to change for HA to stop being stupid? Skills!"

HA needs pretty much everything changed. It needs to be updated for a minimal amount of teams entering, which means a complete rework of the "no opposing party" system keeping teams waiting for 12+ minutes without a match in halls. Some maps need to be reworked or removed entirely - cap points maps all need to be removed, and the halls relic run needs to be reworked to have the relics being run through unfriendly territory, not through your own team. The remaining maps (for every objective, not just annihilation) need to be re-designed to add more room to spread out, so people running five fire eles don't win by default.

I could do this for pretty much everything you said, but I really don't care enough to. Learn to play the game then try to give advice. Doing so without knowing your shit will only lead to the game getting worse if ANet is unfortunate enough to act on your words. -Auron 09:49, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

"Doing so without knowing your shit will only lead to the game getting worse if ANet is unfortunate enough to act on your words."

"Balance skills in HA" would be a horrible, unfortunate thing for everyone, right?

HA doesn't need pretty much everything changed. The things you listed would be very welcome changes, but they're not really going to affect the outcome of matches. You're not going to lose to shitter teams because "Oh it's cap points". Conversely, you can lose to shitters because "Oh it's fucking <insert bs build here>", though. That's what needs to be changed. Mathway is a win by default? Bad map design plays a part in that, but you know what else does? Fire magic doing wtf damage! Skill changes could fix that. is for Raine, etc. 10:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Stop talking please, you reinforce my point with every post you make. I shouldn't feel a strong urge to facepalm every time you say something. -Auron 10:35, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) It's funny, because I feel an equally strong urge to facepalm every time you say something.

I don't think we're going to agree on this because we're both wrong (as far as the other party is concerned, anyway), and neither of are willing to concede. Since neither of us are accomplishing anything by this, I think I will leave you alone, as requested.

Have a most Hawaiian day. ♥ is for Raine, etc. 10:48, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

No one plays Guild Wars anymore, so you've both accomplished nothing. elix Omni 11:01, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

This is funny. Do go on. NuVII 11:42, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Raine vs Auron drama. Looks like my dream has finally come true. Dark Morphon 16:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Needs moar Readem. NuVII 16:12, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

It's pretty sexy as is, that would just go over the top. Dark Morphon 16:14, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I can't say I didn't enjoy it.Also why the agressive stance and why did raine keep posting ? *popcorn* Lilondra 17:04, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

It's funny because... you could have a completely balanced game, and halls would still be boring. Holding during my timezone would still give no opposing party messages and hold me prisoner in HoH with no matches for 12 minutes at a time. With completely balanced skills, the halls relic run would still be the biggest waste of time in Guild Wars (on top of guild wars itself being a waste of time).
You are too caught up in the small picture, because that is all you can see. You have never held halls like I have. You have never done GvG's like I have. You will never see the problems that I see because you are too inexperienced. You are in the stage we all go through, where you've just realized PvE is a piece of shit and are trying PvP - you're better than most of your friends at it, so you get a big head and think you're good. Except you aren't. You're still terrible at PvP, and everything you've said here reinforces that. Stop trying to pretend you're good. Realize you're new and are still learning the ropes. If you refuse to do so, you will be a shitter for a very long time.
Guild Wars PvP is not a casual game. You cannot try it once and instantly be good. In fact, you will be bad at it for a very long time. No amount of reading my rants will make you good. No amount of making shitty ass balance pages in your userspace will make you good. The only thing that will is years of playing the game on a competitive level. Have a nice day. -Auron 20:49, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

^I've been tombsing for a year and have only recently gotten to the point where I recgonized that I was REALLY bad for a really long time. I've been gvging for 3-4 months now and I'm still pretty bad =\--TahiriVeila 20:54, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

"Raine vs Auron drama. Looks like my dream has finally come true." QFT. Auron is too right btw. - Wuhy 21:16, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I was done with this conversation a while back, but you're not? Okay, then.

"It's funny because... you could have a completely balanced game, and halls would still be boring."

Read the discussion page. It's about the absence of a skill balance. Okay, a skill balance isn't going to fix everything - I never said that it would ("Those would all be very welcome changes."). Talking about non-pertinent issues isn't an amazing way to contradict me - HA needs a skill balance and would benefit from it more than GvG would. Address that.

"You have never held halls like I have."

Doing the same thing over and over means that you are better at it, yeah? I've held during live hours (HA Zquest on Double HA weekend, anyone?), I've held during dead hours. I've had streaks of NOPs so long that people left; you assume that I haven't been there, done that, but I have.

Anyway, I've got a plane to catch. is for Raine, etc. 21:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

If you still have a bambi, you have not held halls enough. ~Shard 21:38, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

If you still think a skill balance will fix anything, you have not held halls enough. You're bad at PvP. You're still trying to pretend you're not. Stop. Take a deep breath. Realize you're talking to someone who has played the game type you're pretending to know about for years longer than you have, and is leagues better than you at it. When I talk, you listen. Unless you want to keep being terrible, then you try to tell me I'm wrong - and you'll end up being bad a year from now, instead of learning from what I tell you and getting better. It's up to you. I can't make you suck less at the game. Only you can realize how bad you are right now and make an effort to get better. The first step in getting better is realizing when you're talking to a superior player, and listening to their advice instead of calling them wrong. -Auron 21:55, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree with every point you, Auron, made thus far, except for the "superior player" one.

In pre-shit Guild Wars, the difference between 1337 pleyas and 1336 playes was very thin (in PvP, that is). I assume I don't need to explain why. Now-a-days, the difference between gimmick players and "Superior players" is all about two things: planning and execution, not necessarily in that order. I don't try to call myself superior, but I am not a gimmick player; I go through some kind of process before using(=executing) a build. I first get an idea, and then I camp the Priest and work my way to complete it, and then I test. After each test, some refinements, and the process goes on. Now, a gimmick player goes through this process: "WTB template code 500e" (he has so many ectos from farming UW, of course). After stealing a build, he smashes his head on the keyboard and somehow gets to target arena, and then you know the rest.

That's all the difference between the two main types of players. I do not and will not know what kind of player you or Raine are unless I oppose you. Sadly, now-a-days, that option is blurred as well, and I don't think I need to explain why either.

Calling yourself a superior player based on wiki-experience is just plain wrong. As you said very well yourself, title doesn't matter shit, so using a subtle reword of your own very-well-said statement: see Raine play or gtfo. Titani Ertan 22:44, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

...could I have a road map to that post, please? –Jette 22:58, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Clearly I'm the best player here, since the only thing I do to guarantee victory is spam "LF Randomway" for a good 45 minutes before a decent team develops. Afterwards, we slay the zaishen in a record 1:45. And then after that, we go to the underworld, whereupon I ragequit after 3 of my teammates ragequit before the match starts. Knowing when to ragequit is 90% of the skill needed to play GW on a upper level, Raine. --RIDDLE 23:14, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi titani. Whoru? -Auron 23:43, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Auron, could you teach me how to circlejerk by myself? NuVII 00:06, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

You should ask Raine. I don't know anything about anything. -Auron 00:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Auron. I'm Titani Ertan, wiki user and former-GW player. Et toi? Titani Ertan 09:33, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Read whoru. -Auron 09:36, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Read whoru to prove my point further. Titani Ertan 09:48, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I am using it to dismiss you because you are too inexperienced to talk about the matters of high-end PvP. You fall in the same boat as Raine. You could be good, you just haven't taken the final step and done it. I dismissed Raine after refuting her arguments until I was bored. I dismissed you without even bothering to argue because you understand even less than Raine. I linked you to that article because you very obviously did not understand the dismissal. Linking me back to it simply reinforces the fact that you don't know enough to be talking about this subject. Any questions? -Auron 09:52, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes. I assume you have no idea of how long I have played, how long I PvPed and when I got to the point where I said fuck PvE. If you do know how long I did all of the above, then you're wrong. I did more. Questions? Titani Ertan 09:55, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I can tell by your comment that players cannot be superior anymore that you haven't the first fucking clue what you're talking about. As if I needed any more evidence than that, your comment on skill balance and specific suggestions in that vein have shown all I needed to know. You are bad at PvP. Raine is bad at PvP. I don't really care if you've played it since 2005, you've obviously not picked a damn thing up in four years. Now get off my talk page. Raine's ignorant assumption that HA is more salvageable than GvG is what sparked this whole thing, and I've dashed that stupidity against the rocks posts ago. You haven't said anything productive or knowledgeable in any of your posts, so stop band-wagonning and let this topic die. You lost. Have a nice day. -Auron 10:11, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, I've seen Raine play. I have an alt account in the guild they used for scrimming sealed deck, specifically so I could obs their matches. You've lost this argument in every way possible; why are you still grasping at straws, trying to save face? This is the part where you turn around and walk away with your tail between your legs, saving what dignity you have left. -Auron 10:15, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

auron is my idol. im serious. - Wuhy 10:25, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Auron, by your logic, I am wondering how anyone but you can be good at PvP. Koda Kumi 11:01, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Now he's gangraping multiple people by himself. Auron is extraordinary. NuVII 11:31, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

If you think that raine is inexperienced, you can just ignore the post/archive it. You don't have to be a dick to her. The more this conversation goes on, the ruder you get, then follows the auron fanboi's strapping on their kneepads. People shouldn't have to be r12 or top 50 to have an opinion. Be a mature player and ignore them if you feel more experienced. --adrin 01:11, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

While I just found out Raine is rank 7, there is still a pretty high chance that she will never fight a good team in HA, since all the good players in Guild Wars play other games. R7 is a reasonable level to talk about how HA is now, because in HA rank 7 means you tried harder than the pve scrublets who only grinded up to rank 3. However, HA is very different today than it was when it was playable. Make sure you keep the two separate. ~Shard 01:21, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

TBH,shure auron is right about the elite part and yadayadayada.But he seems to forget that it isn't just rly rly good or rly rly bad.If you look at the whole scope you see a very small bunk of players that have just started.A HUGE bunk of players that already think they are awesome but litteraly would use plague touch on their monk,and then the mid bunk of wich most people think they are awesome but alot of them (like me) just realise that its useless to still try to get better since the game is dead.Also Adrin pretty much expressed it correctly.Raine proly is compared to you,what you are compared to a real korean :3 (get to the bunker) Lilondra 05:26, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

...what? -- Tha Reckoning File:User Tha Reckoning Sig2.jpg 05:43, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Koreans can't win at this game because it no longer requires a high level of skill and awareness to win. ~Shard 05:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

That's what I'm doing, adrin. There is a never-ending stream of bad players, and some of them even pretend they're good. If they are completely opposed to learning, the only real option is to ignore them.

Koda - there are hundreds of players who are good at Guild Wars. If you open obs and watch the GvG tournament battles, you'll see many of them. If you open obs during the monthly tournaments, you'll see many more. They are the people currently playing Guild Wars competitively. The people in the 500 rank range aren't playing competitively, and thus have a very narrow view of the arena (one which usually has them being shitstomped by a mindless gimmick). Making changes to the arena based on that narrow view will only destroy it at the upper level, while (most likely) not fixing the problem at the lower level. That's really my only fear when shitters try to give balance or game design advice - the possibility, however small, that ANet will listen. -Auron 06:26, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Shard koreans no longer win because they are to stubborn to adjust.That and euro's just happen to be really good shitters ^^ Lilondra 13:26, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

It's too warm here.

I bought a really nice coat when I got in at night, expecting cooler weather. Unfortunately, though, it's only cold at night - I can't actually wear my coat during the daytime without being uncomfortably warm. Since no one's been here for six months, there's also no food here whatsoever, which means I have to go out for every meal. I don't mind going out to eat (I actually rather like it), but it becomes a bother when you're required to be dressed properly every time you're hungry. Other than that, though, things have been nice. Having a break from school, from people... it's really great, once in a while.
Anyway.
In regards to GvG and HA and Guildwars, I am still of the opinion that HA needs a skill balance before mechanics changes, and that the opposite is true for GvG. Though, as stated, each format is drastically in need of both skill and mechanics changes, I think that the order is something that should be taken into consideration. Relatedly, I don't believe that "HA is more salvageable than GvG"; I do believe that one would benefit more from a skill balance (in its present state) than the other. Once again, HA would stand to gain a lot from mechanics changes. If I misspoke earlier and misled you to believe something other than that, that was not my intention, and I apologize.
The point of disagreement, I believe, is a matter of personal preference. I would rather run relics through my own territory unhindered and then deal with two other Balanced teams for the last two minutes (though, admittedly, that isn't particularly fun: people that I have played HA with will attest that my preferred way to deal with relics is to declare that anyone who caps before the two-minute mark will be ganked) than run through Sways and Hexways and other bs for a full match, and, based on what you have said, you would prefer the latter to the former. If I am incorrect, then I have misinterpreted something that you have said; if this is the case, could you please correct me?
Thanks. is for Raine, etc. 21:47, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

1. dude, who cares? 2. accept that auron is above everything and everyone. - Wuhy 22:02, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Wuhy. I'm not particularly interested in what you think, so you can save yourself time and effort in the future by not vocalizing it. No offense; it's nothing personal. I'm posting here because I'd like to hear from Auron, not his fan club. Thanks for the thought, though. Take care. is for Raine, etc. 22:18, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Raine, I love you very much, but Auron has already said his piece. Going forward on this topic is just a broken, skipping record repeating the same line of a song over and over. His opinion in comparison to yours is not going to change, and from what he has already said in prior posts, he doesn't feel this is worth arguing.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 23:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

^ :O - Wuhy 03:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

All of guild wars needs skill balance. Badly. Even PvE. Asking for balance at this point is just silly, ANet doesn't have the first clue what to do to fix the game. I've stopped trying to go from that angle, because it simply isn't going to work. Map changes, while developmentally harder, are much harder to get wrong (which, given ANet's track record, is a good thing). If you're changing a map to give people more room to kite AoE, you just... add room. Adding too much room isn't an issue, either - there's no harm in the room being so big that nobody will ever kite from one end to the other.

But on the relic run thing... nah, just nah. I've run literally thousands of relics, and I can easily say it is the most boring, pointless maneuver I've had to perform in any game ever. The "point" of relic runs is CTF - you're taking the enemy's flag and returning it to your base. That's how it works in unholy temple, and that's how it worked in the old relic run that doesn't exist anymore (sacred temple or smth). Because the running takes place on neutral ground, winning requires effort - you have to snare and run at the same time for the entirety of the match. Imagine, if you will, CTF in any FPS laid out like the one in halls. The flag starts in your base. The flag cap point is the very middle of the map. You're safe for the majority of the run, because you're on your side. There's no competition. It would be boring as shit. That's why no CTF in any FPS games are laid out like that.

In order to be able to snare someone in halls relic run, you have to push deep into enemy territory to have any effect; except by then, it's a matter of simply fighting the other team, because at that point they're trying to kill you instead of merely interrupting you. It's simply a very poorly thought-out and poorly designed arena. They got it right in unholy temple - they fucked it up in halls.

The other problem with halls relic runs is the length of the match. You have to run relics for 6 minutes for no reason. Nothing happens in those 6 minutes outside of an all-out gank, and those are stupid anyway. You might as well go afk because those 6 minutes are the most pointless thing in all of Guild Wars, except you can't, because then you'll be behind on relics for the last 1 minute that actually matters (where people actually try to snare and bodyblock). Therefore, the matches should be about 2 minutes, tops. They're currently only 8 minutes long to match the cap points and king of the hill game types, except those matches give you something to do for 8 minutes. IMO, short of axing halls relic runs (which really, really should be the main course of action), the runs should be reduced in time to 2 minutes and have two or three of them in a row (each counting as a separate match). That would get rid of the silly-ass blocks of doing jack shit while keeping the matches short and exciting. Alternatively, ANet could redesign the halls relic run map to simply be a 1v1 map (because, let's face it, the majority of halls matches are 1v1 anyway because gwz is dead) and copy the standard CTF template of running over neutral territory to cap. An idea for that would be a single relic spawning in the center, and each time you return it to your base, you get a point. If the other team picks it up before you, you have to stop and kill their runner to obtain the relic (or guard the relic spawn point to ensure you get the next one). Any of those ideas are a vast improvement over the snorefest that is the current halls relic run.

On a sort-of related note, cap points are stupid. I know the theory behind them (to prevent cspace cowboy mindless buttonmash builds from mindlessly buttonmashing their way to halls), but that purpose is undermined by the fact that most teams hallskip straight from UW. In the unfortunate event you do get one of the cap point maps, it's a free win for any team with vent and an auto lose for any pug. The teams ANet planned to weed out and the teams ANet is actually weeding out are two different things, and given that the maps and game type are boring to play anyway, I'd prefer they just get axed.

Regardless, GvG maps are, outside of a few gross issues (CATAPULTS), already balanced. The only thing Guild Battles needs is true skill balance. In theory, quality feedback for GvG isn't hard to find, because the best players in the game all play GvG. The problem is a mixture of nonstop epeen contests and some idiots offering simply terrible advice. If you've ever had the misfortune of reading QQ forums or the balance forums, you'll know what I mean on both counts. Hell, that second one is obvious just here on the wiki. But unlike GvG, tombs has zero good players. The truly good, skilled, and experienced players are all GvGers that are holding halls between matches or on off days - the shitters that play HA all day, every day are just useless for advice. All they know how to run is the latest degenerate gimmick. That doesn't cut it in GvG - your team would be torn apart if you ran one build all day, especially in tournament play. That is why GvG is the epitome of competitive PvP - and where the majority of ANet's balance focus should go. After a GvG-focused skill balance, a few skills might still plague tombs; aoe fire magic, for example, is generally bad in GvG, because the maps are designed properly - you have room to kite. Therefore, those skills would probably be ignored in a balance aimed at GvG. Overall, however, if any skill balances that fixed anything ever were to actually happen, every PvP type would benefit from it (and Codex might actually become playable!). The problem is, in reality, ANet isn't ever going to do it. -Auron 09:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

tl;dr anets is bæd, gwz is bæd, ha is v. bæd, players are bæd and

>you have to push deep into enemy territory

o bby –Jette 10:36, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Sacred temple was an excellent map. it's not rly worth putting in anymore though since it'd only be skipped to from uw for 2 fame and played on by a bunch of shitters. that kind of a challenge was worth the 6-8 fame back when good people played HA (pre-expansions/when it was fun). the useless reward of winning would be like how scarred earth was back in 4-way. 1 hour battle for 4 fame? no thanks. --adrin 11:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I miss hearing you, Matt and Ryan cry out "aww fuck!" when that the Scarred Earth map came up. 52:52 vs Leeloof for 2 fame. I miss those days.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 17:24, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

You missed a point, Auron - some GvG maps need to be redesigned/removed as well. Burning and Jade both come to mind. Also, make server maintenance faster. -- Armond Warblade{{Bacon}} 18:11, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

<ignorance>The servers are just fine armond, please check your internet connection.</ignorance> --adrin 18:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Baseless Accusations

How about you stop making them, mmk? Thanks in advance. — Jon Lupen 03:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Directed at those who are stupid: Stop being stupid. Thanks in advance. Pika Fan 14:06, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

^----Xtreme 02:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Formality

It's just a formality, I suppose, but users are required, per the policy to accept the nomination for sysop prior to starting it. -- FreedomBound 14:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Unnecessary bureaucracy is unnecessary. Poke whined about it earlier, yet I still fail to see why the bureaucracy exists. Silver Edge can decline the RfA if he wishes, and if so, the page can be archived immediately (or simply deleted, if one wished to retain the integrity of the category). Jumping through hoops to complete a ridiculously simple task baffles me - I guess this is one of the bad ideas left over from 2007 that we'll have to get fixed at some point.

Thanks for letting me know. -Auron 14:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, one thing that comes to mind is that it could be used for trolling, i.e. nominating people (contrary to this case) that haven't a snowball's chance in hell. Brings to mind the recent nomination of Mtew in the prior bureaucrat election. Also, it lets users respond, make a statement, etc., prior to uninformed individuals voting on the RfA. I'd imagine Silver Edge will be around shortly to respond, though. -- FreedomBound 14:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

That's a fair point. If troll RfA nominations were prevalent, I'd probably forget about the issue, but I don't think I've seen one on this wiki in ages. -Auron 14:54, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

In other words, there is a failsafe for troll RfAs which do not occur, but the exact same failsafe cannot be applied to troll bureaucrat nominations, which do occur? elix Omni 14:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

If I recall correctly that was dealt with last time by DE being powerful. Maybe it was Pling, I forget. In any case, pretty sure Auron isn't trolling today. Misery 14:58, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

It was DE, but I would consider a few of the current nominations being voted on to be trolly. elix Omni 15:06, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

While Ariyen didn't accept the nomination, she did seem to indicate that she wasn't bothered by it. Loves to Sync runs every election. It was a self nomination, there is no reason not to let him run. I wouldn't have any problem with a sysop deciding to be powerful and delete 42's nomination. He doesn't seem to be here at the moment, it's not going well and in combination with the talk page could be upsetting. I can't see why anyone would consider any of the other nominations troll nominations. Misery 15:41, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

wut? - Mini Me talk 15:50, 21 December 2009

Yes, that is entirely consistent with what I just said. Ignore him, vote oppose, game over. Misery 15:52, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry my reading comprehension kind of failed. I blame the snow.

Why wasn't that (kind of obvious after he posted his "statement") troll nomination deleted, anyway? - Mini Me talk 15:55, 21 December 2009

That would be akin to the communist party being banned from democratic elections. It's not worth the "Halp halp! I'm being oppressed" drama of restricting people from running in the elections. Love to Sync is an obvious case, but what if someone decided to label me and Auron as trolls? Would we be excluded? Both of us have been labeled as such before. If you don't want him to be a bureaucrat, just vote against him. If he ever wins an election then the culture of this wiki will have drastically changed. Misery 16:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok, whatever. - Mini Me talk 16:13, 21 December 2009

@Mini - it could have been deleted, and if bureaucrat elections actually mattered, it probably would have been. As Misery said, however, it would just create more drama than if we just left the page alone and let it rack up oppose votes. -Auron 23:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

"Poke whined about it earlier" - I didn't whine, I just saw these unnecessary discussions and problems coming... poke | talk 16:52, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

This discussion is less than a page long, and I haven't seen a single problem yet. -Auron 23:56, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

So...

You want me to "stop spamming RC" and be polite and use MSN or w/e But you can just walk up on my talk page being a dick tellin me what to do and when to do it? You dont see the hypocracy, or at the very least, irony, in that? Briar 14:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

You've been blocked for 3 days for talk page spam, not stopping the spam when requested, being more of a dick than me (if that's even possible), and general lack of respect for the wiki. Again, you aren't the only editor here, and I'm not sure what it will take to make you understand that.

I would have blocked you for merely a day but you've been banned in the past for similar behavior. As you obviously haven't learned, the block length is longer than normal. -Auron 14:50, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I watched the events to see how they were to be handled and I agree with Auron with everything, but Auron, you blocked Briar for name-calling which I am assuming was him calling you a dick. Read above to see what you called him. Yeah, the exact same thing he called you. That is a violation of GWW:NPA as well. You know you can prove a point without the name-calling. These new people might not know how I handle things, but I know you do. — Gares 15:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure auron wouldn't ban someone for calling him a dick because of the obvious bias drama queens.I don't think anyone with blockrights would do that.(If that were the reason someone else would have banned him) Lilondra 16:45, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't just name-calling, but that was one of the reasons he put. But you are correct to an extent regarding admins blocking in that situation. Auron blocked Briar with his multiple reasons before calling Briar a name, which is where he was in the wrong. As long as admins are trying to "keep the peace" and not personally involving themselves, I see no reason to have another admin step in just because Auron was the first one on the scene. If it's any consolation, I was right there and if asked, I would have done it myself for the same reasons. — Gares 17:01, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

If social guidelines reduce effectiveness there is no reason to follow them.Lilondra 21:22, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Gares; I love you and all, but you are reading way too deeply into this. Being a dick is part of the block reason, not a personal attack. He was being a dick. From his view, I was being a dick. I was putting it into perspective using words both of us are familiar with and neither of us are offended by. Please don't wave the NPA flag unless it's warranted - being hypersensitive and crying wolf over non-issues is every bit as harmful as ignoring actual NPA violations, it is just on the other extreme. Don't do it. -Auron 23:48, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

And I love you too. You know I've always been a hard ass when it comes to NPA on here and I doubt it was truly necessary that you had to respond in kind in order to get your point across. It wasn't a warning so much as it was a reminder to keep level-headed when dealing with all these trolls around here now. If I ever log back on to MSN, we'll shoot the shit again.

As for social guidelines, Lilondra, there is a time and a place for everything. I'm immature, cuss, joke around when I'm around my family, friends, and co-workers, but when put in a more professional situation such as being an admin, getting my kid to clean her room, or having to actually do my Asst. Director duties, things change somewhat. Take gaming for instance. If I was leading a raid in WoW or an Alliance in Aion, I still joked around. It didn't reduce the effectiveness of my leadership abilities or the performance of the team. In fact, it actually everyone more at ease and able to play better without the nervousness of being yelled at as I have seen from other leaders. — Gares 18:30, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I am not a robot

Hello, sir. I noticed your comment in the block log and felt the need to point out that I am not a robot. I'm a human being. 71.125.143.31 08:01, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

^ -- Lacky 22:45, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

^----Xtreme 13:32, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Email

Could you email me, please? I want to talk to you about the ArbComm and I would prefer it to be private. - Mini Me talk 22:49, 27 December 2009

NVM I totally missed your Email link. - Mini Me talk 22:50, 27 December 2009

I also have MSN, that's generally faster. -Auron 22:54, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

I've already sent you an email, don't really care about the speed. - Mini Me talk 22:56, 27 December 2009

Blind in PvP

Thanks for being awesome, I kinda raged when I read that section. :p --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Auron's Fanclub Leader (talk).

Did u srsly

use the term "negative nancy?" --adrin 06:00, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Nope. He didn't -- Lacky 06:21, 30 December 2009 (UTC)