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Personal Updates of the NOW:[edit]

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  • Minis I already have:
    • Miniature Necrid Horseman.png, Miniature Abyssal.png, Miniature Hydra.png, Miniature Jade Armor.png, Miniature Jungle Troll.png, Miniature Siege Turtle.png, Miniature Temple Guardian.png, Miniature Cloudtouched Simian.png, Miniature Harpy Ranger.png, Miniature Whiptail Devourer.png
    • Miniature Thorn Wolf.png, Miniature Smite Crawler.png, Miniature Charr Shaman.png, Miniature Mursaat.png,Miniature Raptor.png, Miniature Black Moa Chick.png , Miniature Kirin.png , Miniature Heket Warrior.png, Miniature Wind Rider.png, Miniature Mandragor Imp.png
    • Miniature Abomination.png, Miniature Terrorweb Dryder.png, Miniature King Adelbern.png, Miniature Burning Titan.png, Miniature Irukandji.png, Miniature Juggernaut.png, Miniature Desert Griffon.png, Miniature Ooze.png

Also expecting 2 more next month, 6th year one.


uhm what?[edit]

Would you mind explaining this Edit and its Edit Summary please? I didnt change your Comment at all, wouldnt even think about it. I was merely fixing the indent which you got wrong. --SilentStorm Talk to me 01:59, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't replying to Jon, I was replying Kak. There was nothing for you to fix, indent-wise --ilr 22:05, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Its common practice to increase the indent by one for each reply. Many ppl there are answering to others without making the indent one more then the person they are answering to. It would look kinda weird / ugly that way. But anyway as the holy beeing wishes. --SilentStorm Talk to me 22:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
It's called Threading and It didn't look weird or ugly for the 20 years of BBS'ing and Usenet still in use that predated Wiki discussion. If anything looks weird, it's the craptacular "discussion format" on wiki talk pages. Good luck convincing the oldschool that your method is better without making it "Policy". --ilr 23:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Cool story bro. In case you missed it, this is a wiki. If you don't like the accepted format for discussions here, you're free to go back to your oldskool sites.
That being said, changing others' comments is against some policy or other here, even if it is to just change an indent or fix a spelling error. Vili User talk:Vili 00:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Vili, his method is far superior. Indenting every time is silly; you indent when you want to respond to the person above you. If multiple people are responding to the same post, it'll be a single wall all responding to that one post. That makes life so much easier for everyone that the responders don't even have to point out who they're talking to, because it's obvious by just looking at the layout. If you indent brainlessly every time you post, as soon as a single person says something off-topic, it turns into a huge thread of "@ilr, blah, @vili, blah, @shard, blah," which is stupid as hell when his obviously superior method of communication pre-dates the wiki's one. There's really no point trying to reinvent the wheel - wikis are honestly terrible for thread-like discussion, yet his method makes it much more bearable than a random indent fest. Let's not get stupider and force inferior methods of communication simply because it's "the wiki way," let's learn from better methods of communication and adapt. -Auron 00:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Um...what the fuck are you talking about? Indenting one more than the person you are replying to is "the wiki way". That's what I advocate. Vili User talk:Vili 00:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
  • blinks* I should have read the diff. Nevermind me. Vili User talk:Vili 00:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
"If you don't like the accepted format, GTFO" ...I'm not the only one who ever thought to thread their indents on a discussion page for organization... Ever since the <h1>/<h2>/<h3>,etc tags existed, the normal organization of info has threaded off of itself in nice neat sub-categories and that's all I'm doing here. But thanks to Auron for stating the case much better than I could have.
In either case: The real gripe here was that changing my indent changed the Intent of my message and probably would have just confused Jon who reads things rather hastily and I didn't want to do that twice in one day. On a related note: I don't think it would hurt Vili to reply a little less hastily. But Thanks for stoppin by! --ilr 20:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry[edit]

Let's start again. My name is Misery, how are you? Misery 21:09, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Serious Misery is serious? — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 21:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
R U stalkering meh b/c I called ya a furry? --ilr 21:28, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

moved to User:Ilr/archive

What exactly is the testing process like?[edit]

"Considering the last few updates have needed their own updates to fix the new bugs introduced, I've become curious about the testing process. I know that you guys are understaffed and blah, blah, blah; but is there a process? There are hopes that the Testing Krewe will end this ridiculous losing streak of mistakes, but what do we currently have in place?" Karate Jesus 20:11, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

This is exactly what they did in City of Heroes but when it came time for their big "let's re-invigorate PvP!" update, they did the exact OPPOSITE of what they said they'd do, and as a result nearly the entire PvP community left. An update Beta-Squad might have helped them find bugs faster but the content that came out became blander and more meaningless as time went on because they never listened to any criticisms on whether what was trickling out was ACTUALLY FUN. Everything was handled exclusively through datamining. And by the looks of it, this Live team is also starting to draw some similarities to that, IE: "we want to keep monitoring the changes we've already made before we adjust any more skills." ...Not saying "monitoring" doesn't include fan feedback, I'm just saying it sounds a little ominous and I've already seen how this movie ends... --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 23:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


You had mentioned in a discussion on Linsey's talk page about wishing you could open multiple copies of Notepad++. You don't have to any longer, it now has tabs, and you can open multiple copies of the same file into tabs and/or different files for each tab. Tabs left open when you close the program, are brought back when you restart the program, including their contents.-thejynxed- 21:41, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I actually meant Multiple Windows that I could "Alt-Tab" through with just the keyboard, b/c I often work with game data Modding where I have to combine 2 huge files into one, line-by-line and sometimes parameter by parameter which I'll never get accustomed to using the mouse for everything b/c all decent Mice are right-handed and I'm a total "Lefty" (I have a tablet for my left hand but I already go through "nibs" way too fast). --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 21:54, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


this is pretty sad, do something about it -Auron 03:41, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

^--User Ezekial Riddle silverbluesig.pngRIDDLE 06:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
^--ilrUser ilr deprav.png 06:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Alright SRS response... I get a little tired of Eras/Mis/CA/Dan & whoever else's constant BS about "Ilr don't contribute anything, he should quit life". It's just failed attempts at internet bullying in a schoolyard that also ironically fails at allowing professional grade bullying so I never actually have anything to worry about. If I thought I did, then I never would have made a single critical statement about Anet or Sysops (lol, too late for that). But I do listen when certain people say "you're fuckin up" and you just happen to be one of those certain people.
That said, don't expect any miracles with me. I'm 30 and I still haven't "grown up" yet. The chemical imbalances in my brain won't let me. However that doesn't mean I never have anything positive to contribute to places I frequent. And I do dot the "i"s and cross the "t"'s when it really matters. And I also try to put an emphasis on common sense while downplaying rumor-mills and drama But if I don't do it Gradually then I just burn out and turn into an even bigger degenerate.
I'm pretty sure this is just a friendly PROTIP and not some kind of precursor to Arbitration, so that's how I'll treat it until you say otherwise. The Wiki obviously has much larger bugs to squash than little old me right now. --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 03:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
...I was mostly talking about the mass of posts on dev talk pages; the number, not the content. I scrolled up from the bottom of reggie's page and saw your name in every single section (sometimes multiple times) until I got bored of scrolling. You really don't need to be commenting on everything under the sun. If you have something to add, add it - if you're just posting to hear yourself talk, leave it be. I don't expect you to turn around and take up some big wikiproject. I just want you to spam dev talk pages a bit less. -Auron 01:09, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh Hai...I'm emulating a white pimp which means I'm an obvious B-tard troll who's obvious, and this is the difference between disruptive posting and simply commenting on everything under the sun. </irony> ...Oh, And I almost interrupted it too. Yes sir I had a troll warning all typed up and even pressed preview but then my parachute successfully deployed (conscience attack from what you typed here) so I didn't bother. Not saying I told you so, but rather thank you instead... this is much funnier and I think I'll start looking for other ways to indirectly enable such idiocy.
ಠ_ಠ Rape? in MY Guildwars??... Tee-hee --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 05:07, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


is gay beyond reason. Spacebarspacebarspacebarspacebarspacebarspacebarspacebarspacebarspacebarspacebarspacebarspacebar is supr skilful srs.
As far as 123skillspamming, that's exactly what everyone's trying to get away from - at some point, GW actually took skill to succeed at. User Raine R.gif is for Raine, etc. 01:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Did I mention strafing while doing it? ...and immature mic spamming? That's atlseast 2 more things beyond walking and chewing gum. ...I probably shoulda put "REAL" in italics with a File:Eye-rolling.png next to it. Oh well, it's still more FUN than GW PvP ever was so suck on that --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 09:55, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

You may have missed this[edit]

But I suspect Guild_Wars_Wiki_talk:Talk_pages#Regina.27s_talk_page... is something you might be interested in. Misery 10:12, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I thought he was just trolling for attention? You mean you're taking that seriously? I thought his Record-Setting(as in Failed) bid for Sysop was all the "meritocratic" proof you'd need that even real contributors were against such broad sweeping policy-making?
And I'm not saying this to be a dick, I think this is just a failure on everyone else's part to be open to new Tech; IoW, all it takes is just one person integrating the old "threaded discussions" hierarchy from Usenet with google's/YouTube's "Pre-Collapse all Down-Voted comments" Java Feature -- and suddenly every talk page everywhere would be a lot more organized. ...Seriously, the way Wiki talk pages work right now, you'd think a friggin Chanfag B-tard designed them or something. If there a was "SAGE" check-box next to "Minor Edit" I bet it would get just as much use if not more the way things are currently going... You don't like this talk-page situation? Hey I don't like it either! But that doesn't mean I have goose step along with people who think the only solution is to make new laws to govern a broken Social-Media Architecture. Just admit that Anet's NcSoft's P.R./Merketing dept. is a JOKE and move on to a solution that automatically hides the most egregious spam like every other filter in the modern world today. As a Sysop, it's now your Duty to be Solution-oriented like that :) Gratz! --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 22:57, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I really don't care at all about what goes on Regina's page. I haven't read it all, but it seems to me like new laws are the way things are going, so if you don't want it to go that way, I suggest you suggest alternatives. I'm not actually under any obligation to find a solution at all. Misery 16:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Is that also a pledge to maintain your current apathy when it comes time to vigorously enforce pointless new policies? If so then I don't think we have a problem here... only idiots plant landmines near their latrines --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 02:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I pledge nothing, but I know other people will enforce policies. Misery 11:40, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Section Title[edit]

What were you doing with SoH and Pets? I'm interested because I love SOH and I like pets as well. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә User Aliceandsven 1.png ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 23:18, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I was basically stacking SoH with GDW, eboH, and NPA NRA or Feral Agg in a Monk Heroes build b/c I was bored to tears just playing a Prot Monk. Most will probably laugh, but It put out more than enough team DPS to take down Flannus Broadwing instantly when I mixed Smite-Con into everyone's build... might even run it in Hardmode if I could ever figure out a way to manage Balt-Auras on everyone...--ilrUser ilr deprav.png 23:54, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
IE: I'm just waiting for Anet to Un-Nerf Energizing Wind in PvE like they should have done the instant the first PvE Skill-Splits became reality =P --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 23:58, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Ahh... That's a little confusing. I'm not even sure what NPA isƸ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә User Aliceandsven 1.png ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 00:41, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, Acronym typo... --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 02:23, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I thought so. Not too sure how that would work out. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә User Aliceandsven 1.png ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 21:36, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Not so well without a BiP'er :( ...hence the need for Anet to un-Nerf E.W. --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 21:38, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Smaller Skill Pool...[edit]

...makes up for its self. Did we learn anything from GW1? — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 20:13, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

"We learn from experience that men never learn anything from experience. -George Bernard Shaw " Thanks! :D--/ u /nendingfear 19x19px 20:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Do you mean design and balance-wise? ...I'm afraid I have to disagree then on the grounds of how our "Companions" will work. I have extra peripherals like a 9 button mouse and 20+ key keypad with complete Macro support and color-shifting that expands it to almost 80-keys and ... I ... USE IT with my heroes. I'm an old-school Mechwarrior player with 11 fingers, I micromanage the heck out of my lancemates and even did the same thing with RTS units in Stracraft/Warcraft. For my "AI companion" and myself to have a smaller pool to pick from, it really limits how many areas I can specialize for and micromanage in.
I'd rather have 16 Imba skills (both gimped and overpowered) to play with and experiment with than 8 skills between the 2 of us that effectively all do something "perfectly balanced". ...perfectly balanced is for Structured PvP'ers. The rest of us who will be PvE'ing and ZERG-RUSH kekeke "World/Zone" PvP'ing ... like a little bit more wiggle room ...aka: an imperfectly balanced and situationally decisive environment b/c it means we get to blame the game instead of ourselves. ...twisted logic? ...or psychological pandering? tell me. --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 00:10, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I can see that, but everything has a threshold. ArenaNet crossed that threshold with Nightfall. "...twisted logic? ...or psychological pandering? tell me." Perhaps a bit of both? Nobody is 100% sane, or 100% insane; shades of gray. — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 00:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Could you elaborate? ...such as the degree to how Detrimental it really is?
I'll try to assume that you mean nightfall was a problem in how it added even more skills to the 5 core professions ...or do you also include them adding 2 more Classes that were just rehashes of a melee-Ele & a "Bard" (warrior + rit)...? ...not your exact word choice but is that where you're drawing the line? Then what was the point of Factions then? I have to ask because I've got 6 classes, 4 of the them are "core" primaries, and so many of the NF skills are indispensable to me while I've gotten by just fine without any of the factions skills (or the factions classes for that matter). ...doesn't this just prove my point that choice is always better regardless of over-complexity? What do you say to those people who's playstyle wasn't even remotely being pandered to prior to nightfall? I really would like elaboration on this b/c it's only by sheer luck that I haven't already had a spirited argument with Shard or anyone else over this.
Also... b/c this is where I really get in trouble with everyone else... when I play devil's advocate and suggest that Anet is only killing off Godmode-farming just long enough to hoodwink the most vocal critics in their community into shutting up about it, and only just long enough for Anet to pimp the hell out of Guildwars2 on the assumption that they've learned their lesson with godmode. Afterall, that takes away the only legitimate argument against Gw2's "flavor". Everything else, like "It'll be too WoW'y" or any other sellout arguments only bolsters its appeal to the american masses. (while endless farming is just plain unappealing to those players... esp. when it means they have to compete directly against it).

But Godmode will pop up again... won't it? Are you going to tell me that a smaller skill pool will prevent something that Anet openly "willed" into being last time? ...Something they benefited from in the long run? Please, make that case ...b/c the current debates on it aren't satisfying my curiosity. --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 05:07, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Elaboration I can do. I had a wall of text written out originally that I scrapped, as I thought it wasn't required. Seems I was wrong. I might also note that I agree with the idea behind your opinion, and the desired result, just not some of the implications. So has out the details we will.
Wall of Text Warning
"...such as the degree to how Detrimental it really is?"
I'll preface this by saying there where some solid gold skills added with Nightfall, and a few with Eye of the North; Cure Hex, and Foul Feast (arguable) come to mind at the moment (I've been out of the loop playing other games, e.g. RL, for too long). I won't deny, Nightfall and Eye of the North added a good handful of skills that truly were fun and interesting, even if they were over-powered or weak. I'm not even going to touch PvE only skills. What there was too much of, was redundant skills that did massive AoE damage quickly, too many hexes that where too easy to spread rapid-fire, and not enough good ways to counter the AoE and hex influx.
"I'll try to assume that you mean nightfall was a problem in how it added even more skills to the 5 core professions" (Six core professions)
So, yes, you would be correct in assuming that. There's a good handful of skills for each profession that could stand to be cut, and the game would only be the better for it. Because when PvE comes down to out-steamrolling AI mobs, with little-to-no room for creativity, you're doing something wrong. If players are required to resort to god-mode to even stand a chance, you're doing something wrong. Mind you, this is with the average player in mind, because I know some balance-monger is dieing to rub in my face, "zomgz, PvE are be e-z. if you have to use god-mode and/or lolepicaoe, then lol ur baed."
"...or do you also include them adding 2 more Classes that were just rehashes of a melee-Ele & a "Bard" (warrior + rit)...? "
Something like that as well. The Dervish and Paragon have a special place in my book, because they feel redundant. They were added late to the game when all the available bases had already been covered, so the only option was to mash together scattered parts from other roles, and the results weren't exactly desirable, depending on who you ask. The Assassin was a cool idea, and the Ritualist was an interesting concept, but the Dervish and Paragon, for me at least, felt redundant and moderately uncreative. I never found need for a Paragon or Dervish, neither was I able to effectively find a role for them in my party.
"...and so many of the NF skills are indispensable to me..."
I rely on a good number rather heavily as well. On the other hand, I do have some skills from Factions and Prophecies perma-stapled to some of my bars. If pressed, I can name a few, but I'm jamming this out before hitting the sack for the night.
"...while I've gotten by just fine without any of the factions skills (or the factions classes for that matter)..."
I can also get by easily without an Assassin, and could, if pressed, find a way to get by without a Ritualist, neither is required. I run an Assassin because it's fun and interesting.
"...doesn't this just prove my point that choice is always better regardless of over-complexity?"
I'm not going to fight that, as you've got a solid point on your hand. In fact, you've hit the point I was getting at. The sheer level of skills we are hitting at currently is piling on more complexity than is needed. More hexes and conditions than you can reasonably worry about, too much easy AoE damage. As a Ranger, I throw on Exploding Arrows and Conjure <something>, have my Ritualist hit me with Splinter and then fire Incendiary Arrows, I get to sit back and watch as a mob cries in pain and I do enough AoE damage to break into the thousands. Something wrong with this picture?
"What do you say to those people who's play-style wasn't even remotely being pandered to prior to nightfall?"
I'd say, it's not that their play-style shouldn't be pandered to, I'm only expressing my distaste for how smoothly this pandering was executed.
"But Godmode will pop up again... won't it?"
Probably, the chance will always exist.
"Are you going to tell me that a smaller skill pool will prevent something that Anet openly "willed" into being last time?"
No, only that it will be easier to avoid inadvertently enabling god-mode. If you cut the size of the skill pool, there-by cutting the number of hexes, restricting the ease with which conditions are spread, and toning down the level of AoE, and ease of spikes, you eliminate the need for the super-prots that enable god-mode. However, If ArenaNet really wants to bring god-mode back in GW2, is anything, anything at all, going to stop them? Not a snowball's chance in Hell.
TL;RD: So bottom line, it's entirely possible to cut back on the sheer number of skills without cutting in on people's current play-styles, provided your play-style doesn't involve getting steamrolled by more AoE than should exist. Shard, Adrin, Auron, Raine, Riddle, and all the other balance-mongers that I can't name off the top of my head have a good handful of good points, many of which can be happily applied to PvE without upsetting anyone, provided your play-style doesn't involve aforementioned steamrolling or mindless god-mode.
Feel free to give me a slap and point if anything isn't clear enough, or what-have you. The above is the product of a tired mind dreaming of a good night's sleep. — Jon User Jon Lupen Sig Image.png Lupen 06:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you ^ ^. --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 20:25, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


I have an unded Necrid Horseman lying around and I wouldn't mind trading it for a mandragor if that's still open. Let me know if you're interested and whatnot. -- 23:10, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

But of course... (affirmative!) ...I'll be on "ilr of shaolin" for the next couple hours if you're able to get on, otherwise name a time & place to meet. --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 23:23, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
A pleasure doing business with you! -- 23:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

I have a Charr Shaman I'm willing to sell for 30k and Blade of Thorns I'll sell for 17k. You can wisper me at M W Aece, neither are dedicated. 03:53, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good, wanna make it an even 50k for both? (mainly b/c you're the only other reply I've gotten since I posted on Guru...) Anyway, I was PvP'ing yesterday so I wasn't in-game but I'll be on today looking for ya --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 19:38, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Good transaction, thank you! 00:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Mini Trade[edit]

20k says my undedicated Heket warrior is yours. Of course, if you could pay for asuran mesmer armor that would be greatly appreciated (nudge nudge). --Sage Talk 16:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I love Asuran and got it for my Mesmer/slash/Dervish... what's all entailed in getting you some? (whatya need?) --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 19:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
I was joking :P. I just need to get the faction now, I have everthing else. Although, I need a magdragor imp for my HoM. That would also be good. --Sage Talk 00:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
You got it, still got an undedicated one sittin in Inv... --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 13:25, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Just look for me in game. My user page has my character names on it.--Sage Talk 01:58, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

fast casting[edit]

I doubt ANet will help you at all, but it should be pretty easy to write a script to record the cast time of a given skill and make note of the skill's name alongside it. The computer can be accurate enough to display the exact casting time, which can then be compared against the default cast time to calculate the monster's fast casting level. I can't do it because I'm a lazy ingrate, but maybe ask one of those guys who worked on the GW API or whatever they called it. –Jette 20:10, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

>impying 3rd party apps are still safe to run & won't get u B& --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 20:41, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
>implying they're notJette 02:01, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Whats your main Char's name in GW? if you don't mind sharing --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Alice Uley (talk).

ILR: Third party applications are not safe to run, and will get you banned.
JETTE: They are safe to run.


Keep polishing kid, look where it’s taken you! Sardaukar User Sardaukar sig.png 19:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

O HAI! ...AND U R?? --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 19:35, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Direct your attention to this -> "I'm 30"
And then stop trying to be a punk on the net! Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә User Aliceandsven 3.png ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 04:22, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
You run out of people who will listen to ya already? Get funnier or I'll pretend I care just long enough to delete this spam. --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 04:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Did I spill coffee on you in a past life or something? I'm telling him to stop being so liberal with his usage of the word "kid", not asking anyone to listen to what I say. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә User Aliceandsven 3.png ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 07:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
LoL, thought you were talking to me... I dont like people telling me to grow up. There's no hurry anymore in the society we live in. --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 15:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Guilds lol guilds haha[edit]

Guilds are generally bad. For a number of reasons. Guilds, clans, factions, whatever. It happens in every game! It's especially bad for new comers in older guilds, because everyone already knows each other, they have their inside jokes and histories, they prefer each other over new people and you'll never really fit in because you missed the the bonding period of that guild. If you get really unlucky you wind up with a guild that has tons of drama and attitude issues, a guild with idiots in positions of power, guilds with retarded rules (and I mean hair-pulling-aggrivatingly-stupid), or guilds with HUGE amounts of people to the (thousands, multiple alliances) and then you can be certain you don't matter and probably never will.

Now let's say you don't care about making friends or having a decent social atmosphere. Maybe you joined a guild with a purpose (speed clears, farming, PvP, etc). Suddenly, it's like you just acquired a second job and if you dare to take a break for more than a week you're gone.

Really, the gist of it is that when you take a bunch of people that aren't butterflies in social situations in reality (average GW player), it stands to reason that it's not going to work online either, especially once you throw in tiered status systems and kick buttons.

I finally just joined a small guild, there's never more than 5 people online at once these days. But those five people are genuinely nice, genuinely interesting-conversation material, and they're not stuck-up propriety-monsters like you'll find in JumboAlliance#432. I made a really good friend and we wound up getting tons of shit done together, a lot more than I would've gotten with time spent in a large guild (excluding speed-runs or something stupid like that).

If you like title-hunting alone, you don't need a guild. But I found it to be much more enjoyable getting that stuff done with a good friend. The moment I tried vanq'ing on my own I was pretty much falling asleep. Don't apply for guilds that spam adverts such as "[DERP] we have/do this|that|that|and|this|this|and|that 40000+ members" unless that's really what you're looking for and you're expectations aren't too high, or you can get along with those types of people. In guilds that aren't goal-oriented and focused your enjoyment all depends on your personality, their personality and how they meld or clash. Look for small guilds, "starting out" guilds or adverts that point out different things or make an effort not to be typical. Even better, just ask for what you're looking for as you go around outposts and don't wait for adverts. Make sure you talk to the recruiter and try to get a feel of who they are and their attitude. Immediately start measuring up the leaders/officers, get a feel for their attitudes and don't get too attached to anyone before you do this.

You don't need hundreds of people to get shit done and have a good time in this game, just two/twelve. And my personal philosophy when it comes to establishing relationships is less=more.

Just as an example, usually large guilds will have hyper-strict no profanity rules in alliance chat. Being against profranity to the point where you need to reprimand the seldom "shit" or "fuck" every now and then is stupid, it's an incredibly out-dated mind set considering the creature known as a "child" is rapidly disappearing, and if you're not a child then what the hell is your problem?

And I've been in an alliance where talking about Michael Jackson was not allowed at all during the days/weeks he died.

Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә User Aliceandsven 3.png ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 04:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


It's just Guild Wars, not Guild Wars 1. Just like it was just Guild Wars before it was Guild Wars: Prophesies. (Pet peeves GO!) -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 19:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Ur rite... I have no idea WTF to call it b/c it changes depending on which site you're on. --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 19:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


I do have a genuine need for them and would be happy to show you my HoM. Or you could just check out my rewards calculator if you want. Either way I'd greatly appreciate the stuff (Not the mini's, I don't need mini's).--BriarUser Briar Sig 3.jpgThe Spider 02:19, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I have a genuine need for one armbrace if you are still in the caritable mood :), and will gladly show my HoM or you could check my calculator. If i can return the favor (dunno if you still need stuff) just let me know. Helgan Iceglow 16:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah looks like you could use some help with the weapons... I'll stay logged on this afternoon(PST) and try to catch you on. --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 22:34, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
If you have anything left I could use some items for my HoM as well. Anything is greatly appreciated. IGN Feefie Foefum 01:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


Missed the first discussion, so I'll do a thread revival!

If you're not willing to run SY, you're not playing at the top of your game, end of subject. There's not necessarily anything wrong with that, but you should be aware of it.

Before you read any farther, decide whether you want to focus on AoE or single target damage. Both overwhelm enemy monks if done properly, but single target damage is better against bosses and, surprisingly, clumps of high damage enemies (since 4-6 dervishes at 30% hp do more damage than 2-4 dervishes at 100% hp and 2 dervishes at 0% hp). I personally prefer single target damage, but it takes five or six bars to really do it well and you may not have a partner that can join you for every vanquish or hard mode mission you do. If you go for AoE, grab Earth Shaker so things actually get hit by your AoE.

Truth be told, though, I generally run with a mix of AoE and single target damage - it's not ideal, but it's effective enough for most vanquishes and whatnot with only a slightly annoying number of deaths. I wouldn't take it to DoA or something, though.

Ward honor is ridiculously powerful - I spearchuck for 60s in hard mode with it (before lightbringer, etc, and closer to 80s with attack skills). If you have a spot on your bar for it, grab it and flag your heroes in it. Eles and MMs are particularly good with it, since the +damage applies to every damage tick from minions and heats (eles can do around +1000 damage if you catch a few guys in the aoe).

Experiment with dropping Defensive Anthem on either yourself or a hero and instead taking Stunning Strike. You appear to know that daze is ridiculously good, what with having two paragons with spear swipe, but time spent running into melee is time not spent gaining adrenaline for attack skills and stuff like that.

Searing Flames is weak when there's only one of it. If you're still running your SF hero, try swapping his elite to SH. Your team is ridiculously defensive, so you can even try going the whole nine yards and dropping ToF, Blazing Finale, and Glowing Signet for things like Spear of Lightning, Vicious Attack, Wild Throw, Ballad of Restoration, etc.

Again, not sure what mesmer and/or necro hero you're running at the moment, but try panic. The interruption reduces incoming damage by a ton. On a related note, Defensive Anthem is weak against casters, and since caster damage is so high, you might be better off trading it out for something else.

Necrosis and BR are pretty eh on a paragon (especially BR and spear swipe). Neither are particularly bad, I guess, but you could probably comb through the other professions for a more useful something, or just take ward honor and ignore your secondary or something and be better off.

There's probably a bunch more I could say, but I've written enough of a wall of text for now. By the way, sell me that wind rider and give me free stuff (hom). -- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 19:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Fuck me i wanted that stuff. Q_Q --Neil2250 User Neil2250 sig icon6.png 19:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Yeah wrong section, haha... but don't worry Neil, I'll be glad to hook ya up with something (looks like you only need 2 more weapons... How bout some Destroyers or those extra gems if you're close to an armbrace? let me know!) ...and I'll come back to Armonds assertions here once I see a preview to the Dervish changes, b/c Para skills (just like Mesmer too) are just impossible for me to divorce from my total Nightfall experience and sense of skill-level. IE: I need to sleep on it, Armond. But thx for the input. --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 02:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
My HoM > PvEer HoM. Ololoollo— Raine Valen User Raine R.gif 3:09, 2 Nov 2010 (UTC)
"Experiment with dropping Defensive Anthem on either yourself or a hero and instead taking Stunning Strike. You appear to know that daze is ridiculously good, what with having two paragons with spear swipe, but time spent running into melee is time not spent gaining adrenaline for attack skills and stuff like that."
Or learn to qstep; it works in PvE, too. — Raine Valen User Raine R.gif 3:04, 2 Nov 2010 (UTC)
One time we foolishly took Armond on his paragon into the Fissure of Woe out of pity. He got us wiped on Rastigan. User Felix Omni Signature.pngelix Omni 03:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Why would you bother qstepping in PvE when you can daze anything that casts?
Felix, less lies and fewer slander. That was the time we wiped on gryphons because we did them last and people were like "lol fow is easy!" and ran literally everywhere around the map.
-- Armond WarbladeUser Armond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 07:34, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Reviving again: qstep so you can get into melee without sacrificing damages. — Raine Valen User Raine R.gif 21:59, 4 Feb 2011 (UTC)
Is that some kinda JQ thing? ...cuz I've never actually seen a Para in PvP before... I saw a monk once chucking spears. Somehow he killed me too. ...that's probly why I don't PvP often, it makes no fucking sense. In FPS games, if I move smarter and aim better than the other guy, I BEAT that guy. If I try that on a Paragon in this game, some dick in FA still very-easily and slowly kills me with skills that I know every last detail on and every single counter for but for some reason his DOMAGES with those skills totally defy every single expectation in the game I've gained over the 6 years of playing it. And no, I had no such problems in Costume Brawl. I think that's why a lot more people like CB, no weird H4x going on unless 2 wars were running around together ganking stragglers. --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 23:26, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Commenting on the prior move[edit]

Small addendum, which I feel does not need to spam the other contributor's talk-page.

As I have said before, I am very open to criticism, and though you have since edited some of your comments, I would both like to thank you for them and and respond to them. I want you to know that I did my portion of the move only after much gritting of teeth (questioning my keeping feedback "clean" vs. censorship). I do expect people to call me out on such a large move, as you did at one point and as the original contributor did.

The next question that may be asked (not by you, perhaps, but by general readers) is what my thoughts were as to Zes' portion of the move, and why I took no apparent action. The move itself existed in the vast grey area of this world, and though I saw the reasoning behind it, I personally did not like it. That said, I am firstly a contributor here (an equal to Zes' move), and only secondly a sysop. I therefore chose to weigh in where I felt it would be most effective to diffusing the situation: User talk:Briar#<3 where I knew that those involved would look. I do not want to start a revert war over this, but I would not be against the returning of some of the conversation to its original location.

Again, I honestly thank you for looking into the situation and being straight forward. G R E E N E R 02:07, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

...right... I don't think this was ever an issue of being a sysop and you shouldn't be hesitant to do some pruning. I'm the one who jumped the gun at first; Now that I see what actually happened, I'd say you did a fine job and I don't think there's anything to really add to that. But thanks for following up on it! --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 07:31, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

You wanted paragon ideas...[edit] I thought I'd stop by and give you one! :D

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"Fall Back!".jpg
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"Never Surrender!".jpg

I use this on the Kurzick side of Ft. Aspenwood to run amber (yes, it's a PvP build! :0 ). If you want to see it in action, I do FA every few days (I'm r12 Kurz already, but I find it fun, and cashing in the amber chunks for other stuff works for me)... just look for the paragon w/ red-on-black Norn armor (Alexandra Nephilum) or any character w/ the same initials.

Hope that helps. Ash Dragonshadow 01:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

That name sounds very familiar for some reason... --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 01:14, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
That doesn't surprise me. Alex is one of my mainstays in PvE, and if the z-mission for the day is something quick and dirty I'll be right there in the first few waves of people scaring up a PUG (unlike most of GW's remaining player base, I embrace random parties).Ash Dragonshadow 04:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Feedback archiving[edit]

I was apparently a few days late in noticing your post, here. G R E E N E R 01:19, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

League of Legends![edit]

The client patchers have been stuffed up for a week now so don't be in a hurry to download it yet! For a while it is comparable to random arena matches that lasts 40+ mins and you can only /surrender after 20 minutes even if there are leechers/leavers. Also, don't buy runes until your summoner level is 20. ZencowUser Ox rider Sig.png 09:07, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, the game balance is terrible since they are more concerned about releasing more champions + skins and the moolahz. ZencowUser Ox rider Sig.png 09:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks.. luckily I haven't had to make any immediate decision on how much time to dedicate to it. If that changes this week tho', I'll be sure to ask you more... --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 01:42, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

It's not quite like random arenas - in RA, you /resign upon entering when you don't roll a healer, and then wait until you die to the other team because your team didn't resign. In League of Legends, you /resign in random que when your team is clearly composed of terrible players, and then have them all hit decline, troll you, and insist that; "Only noobs resign." You stress out over team/all chat, until you realize the /mute all command exists. But! At least your victory chance isn't defined by whether or not you have a healing champion. (It's defined on whether or not your team is competent or not, or... In some cases, it's defined on which team gets fed more first.) 01:51, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Or you can queue dodge by clicking the big X button during champion selection when you have a bad feeling about your team, but that incurs a 5 minute penalty like dishonor (counts as a leave if done in ranke game though but then people know what they are doing). Best bet is to play with friends. ZencowUser Ox rider Sig.png 11:11, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


That RfA has been closed for a month; did you intend to add your comment to the RfR section at the bottom? – Emmett 17:18, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

I saw a real lack of replies and assumed it shouldn't have been closed yet ... due to lack of replies. So I placed it where I assumed was most relevant; IE: the scale tip between 3/8th's and 4/8th's. I also take umbrage with the previous times B-crats passed close elections with artificially expedited timetables. ...I guess I shouldn't have tried to mend 1 wrong with another wrong but it really doesn't matter when my substance is so easily reverted to style anyhooo... --ilrUser ilr deprav.png 20:25, 11 September 2011 (UTC)