User talk:Kyoshi/Archive1

nice

I love your pics that you make for the skills. I think that you should hide you guild camp while taking them, but that's might just be me. Nice work and good luck on future projects. — Seru Talk 05:44, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, whoops, I have a habit of forgetting that. It's actually in the project's policy to remove the capes. Could you direct me to the animations where I have it on so I can fix it up? Thanks for the comment, anyway, I appreciate it. ^^ --Kyoshi 05:47, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Magebane Shot, Quick Shot animation. Thats all i saw. — Seru Talk 12:12, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Bwah, thanks for pointing those out. I'll prolly fix them sometime today. EDIT: forgot to log in --Kyoshi 17:09, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

New...

...sig. I'm proud of myself for this Paint-produced 19x19 beauty. --Kyoshi (Talk) 06:39, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

i like skill sigs =) ~Nelson (n122333) File:N122333sig image.jpg

Uh, good to know? --Kyoshi (Talk) 21:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

So

Don't shoot me but your name remembers me of avatar (proly the only good cartoon nick has ever delivered to us) but what is the name based on ? What does Kyoshi or a Kyoshi actually mean ? :) Lilondra 05:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

That's what I was referring to when I made the character, haha. Nothing really special otherwise, as far as I'm aware. --Kyoshi (Talk) 05:43, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Well Couldn't find anything on the wiki but I'm pretty sure its based on something,Every fighting style is.Even Tai lee's :) (circus girl) Lilondra 06:15, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeh, Ty Lee's style is an interesting one. ^^ --Kyoshi (Talk) 06:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I thought it seemed familiar...

You signature seemed familiar to me for so long, and I finally remember! I really should of spotted it sooner. :p -- Konig/talk 22:01, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Holy hell! I didn't mean to copy anyone...honest to Dwayna, I was just scribbling in paint! XD;; --Kyoshi (Talk) 22:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

You randomly made the sigil of the demon Azazel? I find that hard to believe. :p -- Konig/talk 02:13, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps less random than I thought at the time... *runs off to call an exorcist* --Kyoshi (Talk) 05:33, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Signature Image

ohai

I've noticed on my travels that your sig icon does not redirect to your user page or talk page. According to Policy, it must redirect to one of them.

Please either amend this or, if you don't know how, respond here declaring which you'd prefer and I'll be happy to do it for you. If you've any questions; just ask. Cheers. A F K When Needed 20:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. --Kyoshi (Talk) 20:22, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

You don't seem to have. :P

Which would you prefer? A F K When Needed 23:08, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure? It seems to work just fine for me. Maybe you saw it when I screwed up once, but at the moment it does redirect to my user page. If I'm wrong feel free to fix it thusly. --Kyoshi (Talk) 01:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Odd. Apologies; I can't quite explain that... I did reload the page, but it didn't help to help.

Anyways, cheers for being co-operative :D A F K When Needed 13:30, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I know images sometimes take a minute to update, that might've been it, but I can't say for sure either. No worries though. ^^ --Kyoshi (Talk) 18:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey

Youre one of the more mature players here, thank you for behaving like a human being. 76.188.104.223 03:37, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I hope you're going to comment on the talk pages of the others behaving like human beings, being singled out is embarrassing. =P --Kyoshi (Talk) 03:40, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Regarding references

For future reference (no pun intended), when using the <ref></ref> tags for a reference, you need to add a <reference/> on the page or else there would be a page-breaking. I just forgot to link the reference on the Junundu page (and create a new section). -- Konig/talk 02:46, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I realized that after my second screw-up edit. ^^;; No worries, I get what's happening now. --Kyoshi (Talk) 02:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you...

... for being so completely sane in the face of all this... butthurt whining about skill nerfs. It's starting to get to the point, I think I want to stop looking at recent changes. >> ‹Lady Chani› 08:50, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Heheh, I know what you mean. Appreciate the sentiment. --Kyoshi (Talk) 08:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Consumable animations

My thoughts are..
Categories. I have noticed skills that are listed, use categories. I am thinking that is how all of those others are found. So you may have to figure out the "category" and add that to what you know that does "consumable animations". For me, I have to insert a line that keeps from the skill histories of being categorized with the main and that was interesting and I have balistic to thank for as he was a good help. So, been learning and I still do. :-) Hope that might help clarify your problem that I saw on your projects page. Kaisha 11:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I did try to edit the original code with category change, but I largely gave up on that project a while back. I'll probably come back to it at some point later. Thanks for the suggestion, though. --Kyoshi (Talk) 08:21, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I meant on each animation list - er like the ritualist animation. Something to that effect/affect (whichever goes there) I think might be the helpfulness with the problem for the consumables. :-) Yw for suggestions. Kaisha 08:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

It would be "effect" in that situation. But I'm not quite sure what you mean about the ritualist animations, if you mean something other than what I thought. --Kyoshi (Talk) 05:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Look at how one is done? perhaps? Kaisha 05:26, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Ahh, okay. Yeah, that's was pretty much the plan. I just never got around to it. --Kyoshi (Talk) 05:44, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I fixed the table for you: however not all item infoboxes are done correctly, so they won't show up. This is not fixable at the code level, iduvidual srticles needs to be fixed, just as if the skill article was broken. Backsword 07:42, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for what you did, but the issue with your fix (I think) is that some of the items don't have a skill label for the effect associated with them. (see: Ghost-in-the-Box, Squash Serum) I was attempting (or planning on attempting) to make the list display the icons for the consumable items rather than the skill icons associated with the effects, since as I said some don't have a skill. --Kyoshi (Talk) 18:58, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Mesmer

I'll take this off that page to save browsers. What more is there to discuss? I think I said as much as I needed to in my original post. However, if you need additional clarification, which, by your response it appears you were expecting me to give a longer response, I will gladly give it. My post wasn't intended to cause drama...I mean how often do I things like that? Rarely. When I post something, I mean it, and to quote my beloved Harold Ramis "I'm always serious" when it comes to ideas like that. My post was meant as my opinion/feedback on the subject, and giving opinions is the definition of "feedback". I cared a great deal about that class and the toon I made who is of that class, or at least I did, and seeing this once very fun game fall to pieces bothers me. Seeing one of the more unique character classes in a game have what makes it great removed is saddening. I was very angry when I read the feedback for the change, and that post was the result of my difference in opinion. I hate Anet's judgment and as such, I make that very, very clear. But it's their game to do as they please. I made my voice heard and acknowledged Anet won't listen or care. And why should they? They no longer cater to that kind of player. You said it yourself that they now care only about pve...and unfortunately Anet's brand of pve is not fun or rewarding for me, and in my opinion the mesmer class was the last string of what was fun and challenging about GW. I hope this is enough clarification for you.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 19:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Fascinating Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) @Alice: Your contributions are highly valued and always a pleasure to read.

@Yasmin: I wasn't expecting a discussion, but I wasn't expecting a barely related snarky quote as a response, either. As I said before, I really don't care anymore since it's just your opinion being expressed without any desire for discussion, and from there, as you just said, there's not much to discuss.

One correction: I did not say that they only care about PvE; I said that most of the player base is PvE-ers. Note that many of the changes in the past few skill updates have been intended to effect PvP balance, or some semblance of it.

If you don't like the way the PvE is developed in this game these days (I can't say I love it, but it's still fun enough for me) then fine. But posting a wall of text about it with an adamant stance on the issue and from there exaggerating to the point that you say you're glad your character (what, is it sentient?) doesn't have to be embarrassed by this change will, in fact, create drama, whether you meant to or not.

I didn't need clarification. I was providing a counterpoint and contrary reasoning, which apparently you didn't care much for. Again, fine. No more discussion needed. --Kyoshi (Talk) 20:49, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry, there's only so much "I'm better than you and my name is _____" that I can take. Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ аІiсә ѕνәи Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 20:57, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

It was only retaliation for the edit conflict you caused. I know what you're getting at. 's all good. --Kyoshi (Talk) 21:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

"but I wasn't expecting a barely related snarky quote as a response"

I said it in a snarky fashion because you ended with "QQ moar", which, calling the kettle black, was snarky in itself, or at least seemed that way. I merely acknowledged that the post was a QQ and the title stated as such. And as per both our stances, conversation completed.--*Yasmin Parvaneh* 22:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

really

stop pissing on everyone's opionions just cause you're blinded by your anet fanboyism. If you don't have anything valuable to say, shut the fuck up. 68.93.98.218 03:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't be a hypocrite. -~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) 03:48, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't be blind. 68.93.98.218 03:55, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't make inflammatory remarks and not expect an appropriate response. 141.165.171.4 03:58, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Uhh...whoru? We've posted together in all of one conversation where I think I made my point pretty damn clear. If you would like to contest that point, then make a half-decent argument instead of insulting me. If you're talking about some other place, then clarify, for fuck's sake. If you're just here to flame me for posting my own opinion (which is apparently worthless - I assume that's why Sparky said you're a hypocrite, hypocrite) then get off my talk page. --Kyoshi (Talk) 18:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a citation for this post on aion forums debunking the random login issue? --Lemming 10:00, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Not on me at the moment. It was in Gaile's feedback page somewhere, if I remember correctly; probably archived by now. I'll look for it. --Kyoshi (Talk) 16:53, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

This pretty much sums up the debunking. Particularly pay attention to (Bunny) Angel's post, where she says that the Aion Community Manager's post on Aion forums was referring to a separate issue. The manager's post has been quoted out of context (or rather, the post was out of context), which was the source of all this confusion. There have been other posts, such as where Gaile had asked those who have supposedly accessed other players' NCMAs to come forth, but she never received any relevant responses, and I can dig those up for you as well if you'd like. --Kyoshi (Talk) 18:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

I've seen those posts that Gaile made regarding erroneous master account access. According to two of the individuals who had reported the problem, including the Erys Vasburg who made the guru thread, their input was ignored by Gaile. Do you have anything official on the technical aspect of the bug?--Lemming 01:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Are you suggesting that I have more information on the supposed hackings than ANet/NCsoft have disclosed? It's not as if I work there. If you looked at what I said, I told you to look at (Bunny) Angel's post, not Gaile's. --Kyoshi (Talk) 02:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5000792&postcount=162

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5001992&postcount=391 --Lemming 12:05, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

People keep posting about it, yet Gaile has yet to hear from any of them. If they aren't willing to disclose anything other than "yeah I did this and it happened" then it's almost as though the supposed issue doesn't exist. If they really care about this, and if they really had this happen, they should be doing something about it instead of pushing NCsoft to solve it themselves. I'm still skeptical that this happened at all, given the facts that have been turned in (basically amounting to a lot of forum rumors, at the moment). --Kyoshi (Talk) 18:30, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to find a reference for those reports being submitted but not recognized by Gaile. --Lemming 20:02, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Let Gaile know as well, since it seems she's the one you should be alerting of this issue, rather than me. If you can find some evidence then I will fully support you in at least getting a response. --Kyoshi (Talk) 20:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

"griefs and whining"

Would you terribly mind keeping the personal attacks to yourself please? There was no whining in my response. No one from the GW2 dev team has said they're checking the wiki = FACT. ...and posting to Guru is a suggested solution, ergo I'm directing people with suggestions where to go to get them noticed. I am being helpful, and you seem to have a problem with that. --ilr 22:41, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

There were no personal attacks in my response. You brought up your unrelated complaints in a topic I posted asking for particular information; ergo, you are not being helpful, you are making a grab for attention. --Kyoshi (Talk) 00:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Please, use your brain

"While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players."

While a legal contract can say anything its authors want it to, they are rarely taken literally by judges (in this case support). Anybody can claim distress by another player, but support almost never does anything in those cases. I have even reported players for identity theft with proof and support did nothing about it.

Nothing about what we did in that video (the one mentioned on Gaile's page) is harassment, fraud, defraud, or threatening, and everything from "hi" to "stfu" can be considered distressing. Making 6 minions with my friend and killing myself is how I have fun. Why are my rights any different from anybody elses?

Also, our "abuse" of the report feature was not abuse. If you pay more attention to the video, you'll notice the other players on our teams stood in front of the enemy and let themselves be killed without attacking or using any skills. That's leeching. ~Shard 04:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

"While a legal contract can say anything its authors want it to, they are rarely taken literally by judges (in this case support)." The possibility of avoiding punishment is not a legitimate moral alibi.

"Nothing about what we did in that video (the one mentioned on Gaile's page) is harassment" <sarcasm> Oh, no, of course not. *eyeroll* Killing yourselves, effectively sabotaging your team, ensuring that it will lose because it's 2v4+minions... Arguing that your actions were not intended to grief other players is bullshit. Your intent is spelled out in the video description. You went in each time intending to kill your own team.

"everything from "hi" to "stfu" can be considered distressing." And so we have a system by which intent of the "offender" is measured by Support. Whether you like how it turns out or not.

"Making 6 minions with my friend and killing myself is how I have fun. Why are my rights any different from anybody elses?" Maybe you've heard this analogy: A person watching a movie in a public theater has the right to enjoy that movie. A person setting off the theater's fire alarm to laugh at people screaming as they run to the exit does not have that right. Your rights end where they infringe upon the rights of others.

"If you pay more attention to the video, you'll notice the other players on our teams stood in front of the enemy and let themselves be killed without attacking or using any skills. That's leeching." Had you not spawned minions and then offed yourself, you might be right. The first clip clearly shows one of your teammates getting blocked in a corner for a bit (your fault, yes?) while the monk spammed healing skills to try to survive, not that it would have helped thanks to you. Oh, and I might add that you were leeching in the second clip? You got ressed and you stood there and let your minions off you a second time. --Kyoshi (Talk) 22:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

"Arguing that your actions were not intended to grief other players is bullshit."

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that there's nothing wrong with it. My evidence is that the person running support (Gaile) said so herself.

"we have a system by which intent of the "offender" is measured by Support."

No, we don't. We have a bunch of random untrained people making on-the-fly decisions with no consistency. That's not a system. That's just random people doing whatever they want based on their mood at that particular time of day.

"A person watching a movie in a public theater has the right to enjoy that movie. A person setting off the theater's fire alarm to laugh at people screaming as they run to the exit does not have that right. Your rights end where they infringe upon the rights of others."

This quote has no relevance to the topic. In my case, I was doing nothing wrong (says Gaile), and I was having just as much fun as the people on our team (some of which were laughing too). If I had been botting (or performing any other disallowed action) while doing this, your analogy might be relevant.

"Oh, and I might add that you were leeching in the second clip? You got ressed and you stood there and let your minions off you a second time."

This is a good point. I should have used my 20 HP to make another rampant minion or two.

We weren't doing this solely for the lulz (though that was a major reason). This was a protest of the very, very, very, very, very, very baaaaaaaaaad report system anet decided to put in the game. It sucks. It does nothing. The fact that we gave people dishonor for doing nothing wrong was supposed to prove that, but here we are about 1.5 years later and it's still in the game doing nothing. We even showed this to Linsey to show her how bad the report system is, because it's pretty terrible, and someone at Anet should know that, since they obviously don't have much experience seeing how flawed it is. ~Shard 03:31, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

"My evidence is that the person running support (Gaile) said so herself." I can't tell if you really think Gaile advocates that or if you're sarcastically lawyering her statements so you can go prove a point. Either way, if you're using her statements as law, you have a contradiction in the quote Yasmin placed in the section: "if someone conspires with his teammates to use /report for reasons other than a breach of the User Agreement, that's abuse of the system." As you said yourself, you did this to prove a point, and not because there was a breach. Now please, if you want to continue discussing this with me, do so from here on without referring to Gaile's comments selectively as some kind of end-all justification for your actions.

"That's just random people doing whatever they want based on their mood at that particular time of day." Unless you work at ANet or know these people personally, I don't think you can make that kind of accusation. Speculate if you want, but don't call it fact. I agree that the report system is bad, and seriously, I would like to see something done about it too. But this was the wrong way to go about it. (Unless there's some point I'm missing in all of this, like "oh those other team members were synced guildies helping us prove the point", in which case I don't suppose there would be any griefing involved and I wouldn't really care.)

"This quote has no relevance to the topic. In my case, I was doing nothing wrong (says Gaile)" As per two sections up.

I understand your frustration, but escalating the issue is not helpful, especially if they're as thick as you say they are (and I believe you some of the time on that point). What you did is like becoming an arsonist because you think the fire department in your local area isn't up to par. Obviously an exaggerated case, but still an accurate analogy. And if the support team on the issue isn't suited to handle that kind of task (like a fire department that can't handle its current load of fires) then you are only making matters worse. (I make this point because most of the original GW team is now working on GW2. Not to say it's necessarily an excuse, as they can probably hire more people, but it is the current state of things.) --Kyoshi (Talk) 17:46, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Here's the thing, Kyoshi. Shard has already been perma-banned from Guild Wars at least once, and everyone knows he's a dick in-game. So why are you pursuing this? elix Omni 18:15, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Because I didn't know any of this, apparently. Consider me updated. --Kyoshi (Talk) 03:49, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't have to speculate how support works. I've seen support GMs (ApplePython and Cykor are the worst) say one thing about a subject, then change their mind the next week in an identical case. In fact, one time I got a 3 day block for saying some things in chat, so I had a friend say the exact same things in chat, reported him, and the same GM said that use of the chat isn't bannable. Sometimes, they don't even read the complaint or view attached screenshots.

Back to the actual point, if I concede that using the report system that way wasn't legitimate, will you concede that the minion sac build is legitimate? If you don't, do you blame the players for mistakes made by game designers? (IE it's rawr's fault they didn't get banned for cheating). ~Shard 22:31, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

How about I talk more to the point? You griefed other players and you misused the report system. End of story.

Now please get off my talk page. --Kyoshi (Talk) 18:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

What's wrong with griefing? Why are some people allowed to have fun and not others? ~Shard 19:15, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I already explained that your rights end where they infringe upon the rights of others. Your fun ruins other people's fun, so find a different kind of fun or a game that supports yours.

I asked nicely but you didn't seem to get the hint. I'll put it in bold this time. Get off my talk page. If you post here again on this topic, I will consider it harassment. --Kyoshi (Talk) 21:04, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Well played, bro. Morphy 11:40, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Skill Animations

erm... "in progress by Kyoshi" you havent done any of them , ive recorded over half, except my connection has a daily upload / download cap, i did 20 animations yesterday, ganna do more today is i get a breather between all this wiki-drama. "In progress by Scythe & Kyoshi," plz i was there first. Also, may i suggest redoing my Expose_Defenses_animation.gif, the grass blocks most of it. Ive done Lift Enchantment, Mark of Insecurity, Impale, Mantis touch, mark of death, sadist's, wire, fang, and prison. Start below those plz, so we dont do it twice — Scythe 18:33, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)

strike that, start below shroud of silence plz — Scythe 18:36, 6 Aug 2010 (UTC)

In progress means my work on it is in progress, not that I've contributed already. I didn't notice that you had your name there, though, so I apologize for that. --Kyoshi (Talk) 19:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)