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Halloween masks

I wasn't able to get one on the 31.10. because I had absolutely no time. Is there a chance to still get one before the 03.11.? I think being able to get a mask only on a specific date is a bit unfair to some people. If you could do anything about it, that would be nice. Kali The Devourer-- 21:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

This has been asked for by many people who have missed an event before, for example I myself have been playing since the game came out but i do not have the first year hats for Xmas or Halloween mainly due to not knowing of the events taking place. However it has been explained that it kinda defeats the purpose of an event. The whole point being that you get the mask to commemorate attending the event. Thus if you didn't attend the event you have nothing to commemorate and therefore shouldn't have the mask. I have to confess that I do agree with this reasoning. Added to that you really only needed to leave your computer on with your character resting idle in a LA/kamadan to get the mask, thus really their isn't much excuse this year for anyone not getting it. -- Salome 21:25, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

But I did costume brawl quite the whole week. Since this is part of the event, I think I should be able to get a mask. :-) Kali The Devourer-- 21:30, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

unfortunately thats not the actual event itself part. The event bit is having to sit there and listen to the incredibly annoying and unfunny rantings of the mad king. Also on a side note, Regina could you do the whole GW community a huge favour and slap the person who made the jokes for the mad king, in particular the pumpkin on his head joke? As the first time it wasn't funny, by the eighth time i was searching for sharp pokey things to gouge my eyes out with. EDIT: or better still give us a way to short cut it if we want to, say for example if we directly talk to the mad king, he just gives us the mask and then we can go, rather than forcing us to endure 30 minutes of his asinine drivel. -- Salome 21:39, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I think you're right here. But still, it sucks, because some of us have work to do (like I did), because in Germany Halloween is not a holiday.

For the Mad King's 30 min. torture (if it is really that bad), make the responsible person read out loud the complete source code of GW. >:-> Kali The Devourer-- 22:33, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The excuse for having work to do is irrelevant. The mad king appears every 3 hours for a total of 24 hours. There are very very very few people who will be working a full 24 hour shift. All it requires is to turn the computer on and sit in the appropriate town, you don't even need to be present. Being AFK will get you the hat.- TheRave (talk) 22:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

If I had known that I'd left my computer on. :-( Kali The Devourer-- 23:01, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

What about a wedding you have to attend that take you to a place where you cannot connect? Not everyone has laptops with worlwide connection. MithTalk 01:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Sometimes life sucks. Deal with it. Anet can't start giving stuff to anyone with a sob story, now can they? Ashes Of Doom 02:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

giving away free stuff isnt the point the point is that he only shows up for one day which is normally the holiday. and a lot of people are not around for the one day i think it would be better if he showed up for a few days but less often so that way if your able to attend the first day of an event but not the rest you don't miss out on getting the hat. that's a simple change they can make for the next event. i know that a lot of people leave for the holidays and cant get access to the internet let alone gw. this is especially true during winters day. were people go and visit family.75.165.96.244 02:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The CAN because they DID. There were many times when masks were given later after the event finishes. MithTalk 15:57, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, this has only happened a couple times. Both of which were either a major disaster (earthquake, and then the hats were only given out later for the effected region) or a major internet outage, again, hats were only given out for the effected region. The only other times hats have been given out after the event is when you had to collect specific items for the hat, the collector was left out for a few extra days. Dargon 19:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't slap the jokes person. The jokes aren't meant to be funny, they're meant to be terrible. And they are so terrible, they become funny again. People who don't like them, can just go AFK while they wait for the mask. The festivals are cool and people should stop complaining about them. It's annoying. 145.94.74.23 22:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Nah the jokes are TERRIBLE and during my time at the event, all the people present were complaining about them being so painfully cack! -- Salome 00:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

What's the most glaring similarity between Salome and Prince Rurik dying? Neither are funny! One way or another my jokes always manage to slay the audience. ;-) DarkNecrid 04:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Kali, there is nothing I can to do bring the Mad King into the game outside of his scheduled times. I am sorry you missed it. --Regina Buenaobra 00:48, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

H8te

In light of recent events in California and reading through Vorpal Bunny Ranch's topic, it got me thinking why does the gaming world do not represent the gays/lesbians and if there are any, they're your stereotypical gay/lesbian characters. I wonder then what the game designers, the head honchos and your opinion in adding a prominent OPENLY gay and or lesbian character to the Guild Wars 2 world to truely be socially progressive? What are the obstacles or factors that deterred the game designers into adding that group into the current story. Being a gay man that thoroughly enjoys gaming as much as any other straight guys out there, I feel like I can "barely" connect with the ensemble cast that there is, and if there is, the gay guy is usually effete to which I am not. Gaming is a big part of me and it just saddens me that even with Guild Wars, we are under represented. I wonder if this subject comes out in the meetings as much as "racial issues" and "sexual dimorphism?" Also are there any gay or lesbian in the team? If so, it gives me a brighter hope that even I can enter the very competitive world of gaming. 121.54.92.21 06:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

First off, this game dost really dive into sex at all. yea there is the relationship with koss and Melony and then again with rurik and that mesmer chick from pre. but for the most part it isnt talked about. i for one think menllo are and togo were a little more then old friends. secondly games i dont think need to be political statements.75.165.119.176 07:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

And let's not forget Vael, i am sure he has a "dark" past also XD. Now seriously, the game doesn't exist so it can "represent" each aspect of the real world, just those directly involved in the given storylines. For any other issue not directly involved in the game, there is always fanfiction and the "Fair Use Act".--Fighterdoken 07:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I don't quite understand why you are negatively discriminated when you're not positively discriminated. Of all the NPC's in the game, there are only 3 couples, which just so happen to be male & female. Even in today's world, the number of gay couples is small compared to the number of straight couples. It could be progressive to add a gay couple, yes. However, just because they're not added, doesn't mean that Anet has anything against gay people. It's more a matter of stereotypes: every male warrior is a bodybuilder, every female spellcaster (yes, even some monks) wears barely enough clothes. The stereotype of a couple is male/female. It's as simple as that. In GW2 though, there will be a race that is neither male nor female...maybe there will be possibilities there. Then again, maybe not, because they are plants. Oh, and for the record: I don't care if you're gay or straight, black or white, rich or poor or whatever. You're a person, just like everybody else. 145.94.74.23 12:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I am not asking them to "make a political statement," merely asking if such thought has been brought up. "Games" as you say are becoming more and more mainstream and accessible, comparable to television and movies where diversity is being pushed more and more. Why not do the same with games? I'm sure that we cannot complain that Guild Wars world is as racially diverse and culturally diverse than most games we see out there, so why not add sexual diversity as well? Yes one can argue that this is "just a game" and that not everything has to be represented, but it's no longer "just" a game to alot of people. Ever since people cried over Aerith's death, games became more personal, more relate able, more than pong or super mario brothers. I am also not asking for a "gay couple" because we all know that would be a stretch, but if you read thoroughly I'm asking if they ever thought of adding a prominent openly Gay or Lesbian character into the mix. 121.54.92.21 15:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what you're looking for when you don't want "your stereotypical gay/lesbian characters" and yet you keep referring to "a prominent openly Gay or Lesbian character". It seems to me that you are being very anti-gay in unilaterally deciding that all the characters in GW are straight. For my part, I often see Norgu & Goren as being gay. -- Inspired to ____ 16:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I, myself, a gay person think this isn't the time or the place to be adding suvh things. Not only would it outrage those of us who do not support such things (not saying I don't, just saying that there are those who walk amongst us.) I think it is inappropriate to do things that are any way civil-rights related in a game. This is cyberspace, and as much as you may not like to hear it, this is a game, and we gays do not need equal representation in an imaginary fiction world. Drago 16:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

But in such a media where people do get personal and invested emotionally, wouldn't it be nice to see such "social classification" (if you can call it) be represented? We have the Elites, the paupers, the everyday people, the farmers and the noblemen why not add someone openly and prominently gay? I am not asking for them to have a gay/lesbian wedding because doing so will be a real stretch but adding an prominent/important openly gay person be progressive? This has nothing to do with civil-rights, just wanting the same treatment the way they treat "race issues" and "sexual dimorphism" or at least asking them if they have considered and if they did, what are the roadblocks they have encountered. 121.54.92.21 16:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Nope. Adding a character just to have someone openly homossexual is discrimination - you would be adding a character just to express his/her sexual preference, not because that character would be improving the game world. It's the same thing as people that complain against the idea that rich individuals are better than poor individuals by replying that poor people are better - you are still judging the person (or the character) based on a single trait, instead of considering the person (or the character) as a whole.

In Guild Wars, we do not know for sure that anyone is heterossexual. Even if you consider that we have a very few couples in the game, those characters could be bissexual or whatever - in real life there aren't two extremes with homossexual on one side and heterossexual on the other, there are instead many different shades of grey. You are simply assuming that no character we meet is gay, while no one has stated so. If all characters had a speech bubble on their heads saying "Ah, by the way, I'm heterossexual", then I agree that having someone stating to be gay would make sense (although it would just be a mistake trying to correct another), but fortunately that's not the case. Erasculio 16:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

So you mean that television and movies too have openly discriminated gay people by adding gay characters to their stories? I am not asking them to "just" add a gay character to be the token gay character like how most television have their own token black guy (pardon the language, it is what I hear/see from the telly). What I want is a prominent character that is openly homosexual, and then some, and then not to add him/her just because he/she is gay. That character has to have a rich vibrant story just like the rest of the ensemble, like tragic back story whose family is killed by the dragons and then later finding out that his brother was the one who killed his family. It's hard to give an example when you don't have any to begin with. I am not asking / forcing them to add a gay character, but merely questioning if they have discussed such an issue.

I have not discounted the fact that there may be some gays and lesbian hidden in the current storyline, but a character or two who are openly gay may just push society to accept that some individuals are what they are and not because of what they think people should be just like how in some ways Guild Wars is teaching us acceptance and tolerance of whatever race you are faced with. 121.54.92.21 17:34, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

It's just a game. Let it be a game and not something that needs to be a model for civilizations everywhere.

As stated previously, relationships are a very very small part of the game. Mentioning that someone is homosexual (without resorting to the stereotypes you've asked to avoid) is going to do exactly what you don't want. They'll be homosexual and stating that they are homosexual just to be the "token homosexual person."

So I'd be very surprised if it was ever discussed. It's so completely irrelevant to the storyline that I don't think the developers would even think about it. You may as well ask whether the developers discussed a character's favorite book or whether they like cheesecake. --Nkuvu 17:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

If you want to see a homosexual couple, perhaps you should take up roleplaying. Just sayin'. That said, A.net really isn't trying to discriminate, the small amount of relationships there are, just HAPPEN to be hetero. And, debateably, Koss/Melonni is the only evolved relationship at all, ANYWAY. I wouldn't cry about this. It's a medevial fantasy game, and I personally don't think political statements have a place here.-- anguard 17:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I am not trying to put politics here nor the notion of a gay person falling in love with another gay person or a gay couple marrying in game. That would be completely radical and would be somewhat unheard of, albeit I knew of some asian MMORPGs that let you marry another guy in-game. Unfortunately now that game has become more mainstream, more personal, more interactive and more complex, it can never be "just game" on the other hand Pong and Tetris are just games. Someone's sexuality can be irrelevant to the storyline but it can have an effect on people, just seeing a gay character, even on a highly fantasized "game" can make a difference. Let me re-emphasize that I am merely asking if the game designers and everyone else on the team have brought up such issue and if it has, what are the roadblocks and obstacles that prevent them to introduce such a oft-resisted idea and what is Regina's input about this topic. I also wonder about aNet's position on being a "socially responsible" company. 121.54.92.21 18:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

this section is pointless. stop adding to it. --Cancer Angel 18:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

121.54.92.21: I will pass along your question and feedback to the writing and development team. I think it's a valid question to ask. Most game storylines are pretty homogenous when it comes to non-heterosexual anything, whether it be relationships, or just background information. The only reason people see that the relationships in GW "just HAPPEN to be hetero", Vanguard, is that heterosexual relationships are considered the default to the point where seeing them is unquestioned. In fact, it says a lot about just how much the status quo goes unquestioned when people say that 121.54.92.21 is making a political statement just by asking about why there aren't prominently gay characters in GW and in games in general. People want characters they identify with. There's nothing wrong with it. The only reason it's not questioned more is because most of the people who have traditionally played games, men and boys, already have enough characters they identify with. But the gaming player base is growing more diverse, and it's only natural to want to see that diversity reflected in the media we consume.

121.54.92.21: It would not be right or appropriate for me to discuss whether there are any LGBT people on the development team. ArenaNet is a welcoming place and I have never heard of any problems regarding homophobia within the company. However, as you're probably pretty aware, videogame communities are extremely homophobic. Gay people do not have the same luxury that straight people do in being open about their sexuality, especially on the internet and especially in gaming communities. Just to reassure you, though, there are gay game developers in the industry. --Regina Buenaobra 19:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Please, tell me this will not become another "sunspear torture" kind of source for in-game changes...--Fighterdoken 19:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. It's not up to me to determine. --Regina Buenaobra 19:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Bit late but....

"recent events in California" What happened in California? Am not American.

Secondly, to the guy who said "First off, this game dost really dive into sex at all"... Yes.... you're absolutely right... thus is why there are so many sexual explicited types of armor cough No-no You're absolutely right, sex plays no part in any part of the game. [rolls eyes] Sex doesn't have to be limited to just the act, or the approach to relation, it can also be portrayed, as is quite apparent in Guild Wars, by sexual appeal.

Thirdly, I always thought the Paragons were kind of a gay profession, I mean, I like to play dervish, I think their outfit is cool but paragon Just screams gay ... ohh, is it cold in here? ^_^

Post author wishes no disrespect to anyone, he believes in equality of sexuality and has gay friends but seriously thinks Paragons have to be one of the GAYEST things Arenanet has ever done --000.00.00.00 19:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

He's referring to Prop 8, California (And Arizona and another state I forgot) all voted to ban homosexual marriage because America sucks like that. Also I hope this becomes something like the torture thing, more homosexual representation is good. DarkNecrid 20:00, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

My comment mirrors Drago's. Dominator Matrix 20:12, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

You can barely see any relationships in the game. Althea and Rurik... Cynn and Mhenlo... Acolyte Sousuke and himself, Evennia and Saidra... Koss and Melonni... Mhenlo and all the other female Henchmen... the player and a towering Norn of the opposite sex... the couple in an Istani quest, and that's all of it, and only the KossxMelonni and AlteaxRurik have been developed enough. Ah! And anyone knows that any female in the game that has not flirted with Mehnlo is a Lesbian. It's like a law of physics or something. I'm from Spain, homosexual marriage is allowed here by law. And what about bisexual people, uh? Gays and lesbian can claim righs but we can't get an NPC flirting with any character regardless of gender? MithTalk 20:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Its the same in Canada so this goes no where. Except for the few in 3 states. Dominator Matrix 20:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I think this subject has the potential to wildly off-topic. I have already delivered the feedback to the writing team, and I have already made my response above.

I'm a little concerned about how well people can discuss this in a mature fashion because of 000.00.00.00's comment about Paragons. I'm not saying that it's not worthwhile to discuss gay stereotypes, but it was a pretty unintelligent and uncritical way to go about it.

I'm too busy today to watch this discussion closely to make sure it doesn't become problematic. Because I have already delivered the feedback and questions, I am going to archive this now. Thanks. --Regina Buenaobra 20:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

No. of people logging on each day?

Hi there, I was just wondering if there'd be a way, or if you can tell us, just how many people logging on each day? Just curious to find out. Thanks! 87.75.166.152 14:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

They would ad a table to there site with information about this sort of things but they still havent done it. 145.53.242.142 16:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

They are never going to tell people this. It would be misused by players way too often. Erasculio 16:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh man like how it is misused on battle net? i really don't see how this could be misused. what could be missused is knowing how many of one item there is in the game but this i think not. OH WAIT we know about how many of the rarest mini pets there are in the game. so still no.75.165.119.176 23:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, i think he means something along the lines of "Zomg the game is dying!!!11oneone" kind of misuse. We know some people always try to find an excuse for saying it, and knowing this information would just help them XD.--Fighterdoken 23:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

(EC) Like Fighterdoken said, "Oh, only X people play the game daily now? It used to be X+700,000 before skill y was nerfed/skill y was buffed/attribute z was nerfed/farming area a was nerfed/bunnies were nerfed/etc". That's already done today, together with all the cries about how "Guild Wars is dying" and etc. A daily report would only lead to similar assumptions, beginning the first day in which the number of players were smaller than what it was in the day before. It would be a PR nightmare with little to no advantage for Arena Net. Erasculio 23:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

We do not disclose that information. --Regina Buenaobra 01:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Because if you knew that theres only about 125000 people left give or take about 25000 left you wouldnt like that. That is why they wont tell you.Manitoba1073 05:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. :) Vael Victus 16:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

A question

Since reading the developer update on the Storybook Tab (which I think is unnecessary but hey) are the developers considering allowing us to buy additional storage tabs from the online store? Currently we can buy additional character slots but there are many of us who would prefer the ease-of-use and accessibility of additional storage tabs. --000.00.00.00 19:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

The idea has been tossed around, however the issue behind our ability to provide extra storage is one of server space. Server space is a complicated issue, because apart from being an issue that has (beneficial) in-game effects for players, it's also a business/financial issue. --Regina Buenaobra 20:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I keep making polls about buying storage space on GWO, and in all of them it's never a popular idea. IMO, reducing the need for storage (by expanding the unlock system used for the festival hats) would work better. Erasculio 21:31, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I personally wouldn't mind paying for a little more storage (isn't buying extra slots to make more mules effectively the same thing?), but then I haven't the foggiest about the amount of money the average GW player can spend, so... tricky. I do think that ANet should reconsider its game mechanisms at least for GW2, because I don't think much will change for GW1, certainly not storage-wise. They did introduce the concept of Storybooks, and the need to have them in your inventory before they'll work. On top of that, they won't work retroactively, so you're more or less forced to haul them around. Not sure how many different kinds there are now but it's a significant amount of stuff to carry even if you're not taking all of them along at once. By adding (and expanding) that system they've effectively increased the demand for more storage as well. So to get back on topic and throw another question Regina's way... is ANet looking into more efficient / effective ways of adding a similar system to GW2? Or is it something that won't be added at all because it's not really viable? -- Elv 22:38, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Regina: If it comes down to server space whats the real different between buying a new character slot or account vs a storage tab? Don't characters require far greater space than a single tab of storage? Arenanet is happy to give people the character slots and I know many people who buy character slots just for storage, for crying out loud I know people (including myself) who buy new accounts just for storage.

Erasculio: Polls are a novel idea, some people might not like the idea of additional storage tabs, just as my view on the new summoning stones as an absolutely epic waste of time. I've never come across anyone (before the implimentation of them) ever saying "Geez, do you know what I would like, summoning stones. Yeah, they'd be great and a truly smart use of developer time." But, they're were added to the game, and then a new batch was added. --000.00.00.00 22:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

The complains usually aren't things like "I don't want more storage", rather complains on how buying storage with real money would be wrong. Take a look by yourself: here is the first poll, here is the second one and here is the latest one. Erasculio 22:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

The issue with buying char slots vs free storage in terms of server space is simple. How many people buy a new slot each day? 50? 100? 1000? This is a number that Anet can keep track of, and can increase their server size accordingly. However, if they were to give everyone free storage space, there would be an incredible demand for new storage space, all at once. This is understandably hard for Anet to keep up with, especially for free. Ashes Of Doom 00:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Ashes: are the developers considering allowing us to buy additional storage tabs from the online store? No one said anything about them being free.

Erasculio: Interesting. Yet from what I read people say that aren't interested in storage tabs as they have mule characters, for some people the issue with storage is addressed simply by the purchasing a new character slot for storage, others would see the problem being fixed by increasing bag size.

"rather complains on how buying storage with real money would be wrong" Some aren't saying that at all, some are purely saying they don't need storage tabs because they can just buy a character slot.

People are asking for the same thing but in different ways. All still point to an increase demand on server space for storage, I'm just asking for another option instead of what we have, essentially the same thing as what I'm doing now but in a more accessible form.

I do support, as Erasculio has said and others have said on several occasions, way situation where the Festival Hat mechanic can be implimented to help revolve the issue of space. Having people unlock items; such as minipets on their account, and be able to create customized, untradabled versions would help. I personally have a lot of minipets I really like, and keep the first year ones for all my characters, for sentimental reason, so I've get a character thats pretty much setup as a Minipet mule. [minis might not be a thing of importances but still, just throwing ideas around] --000.00.00.00 01:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Was there any particular reason the developers did not address the proposals that the money reward for retroactive books be dropped? They essentially repeated the point you had already made - few people doubted the effect it would have, which is why they asked for just the XP and title points. But this was ignored. 89.242.147.41 00:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I was referring to the storage space for the books, which I had got the impression people were not expecting to pay for. But the point still stands about regular inventor space. If they were to introduce the option to add storage tabs, their server costs would have a massive jump, of a size that they can't really predict. This might work out in the long run, but it would be very hard for anet to keep up on demand in the short run - they wouldn't know how many people would buy, so they wouldn't know how much server space to get. Too much = wasted money, too little = angry gamers. Ashes Of Doom 17:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Miniature rainbow phoenix?

Hey there, I was in LA today, and I noticed some guy was selling a miniature rainbow phoenix in party chat. I wrote it off as a joke, but I Pm'd the guy, and he sounded serious enough, and when I grouped with him, he was trading with another guy and a fairly intense battle over the value broke out...point is, he seemed like he was serious, and the other guy had actually bought the pet. Of course I couldn't get a screenie, which is why I'm here. Intricate prank or real? - Warior Kronos 22:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

If it was real why didnt he use it in the outpost? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.208.86.90 (talk • contribs) at 14:34, November 9, 2008 (UTC).

Doesn't exist according to Miniature and since he wouldn't bring it out most likely isn't real. --Kakarot 14:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, figured that, just making sure. -Warior Kronos 18:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Those annoying Goldsellers

Hi Regina, I was wondering if there was anyway to report goldsellers that are not within the game, for example, a forum I frequent much has a google ads bar and some ads are from goldsellers. I have a screenshot (cropped to not disclose the forum site) to go with it. Maybe a wiki page can be made to address this issue. Thanks. Laserblasto! 08:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

If it's an official fansite that knowingly and willingly hosts gold selling ads or other RMT ads, they could lose their official fansite status revoked. Otherwise, I don't think there's anything ArenaNet can do. -- Gordon Ecker 09:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

It's not a fansite at all. It's a clan forum for a completely different game hosted through Proboards.com, but it is the google ads bar that's what's concerning me. Laserblasto! 17:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure there is nothing Anet can do about it. — Wolf 22:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

If it's a clan forum, it's probably hosted for free. If it's hosted for free then there is nothing the webmaster can do either. If ANet were to get the addresses of the RMT sites, perhaps they may be able to do something preemptive for the game, but ANet can't do anything to the Clan Site or the RMT sites. --Riddle 01:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe if I knew the details of those RMTs. All I know is the advertisers "name". I guess it would be too annonymous. Laserblasto! 03:38, 12 November 2008 (UTC)