Talk:A Good Deed.

Spell check

Ouch, this page needs some serious spell-checking :O --Miriforst fox 17:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

done, Opera ftw Koda Kumi 18:33, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Requirements?

To be able to get the quest from Thakery, I had to listen to the first 3 dialogues between him and Gwen, should this be noted? Ilyana :D 21:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Something should be noted, as i can not get the quest from him, he does not appear for dialogue in HoM, and i have no idea where and how, what to do to get it.

"You may need to view up to 5(?) dialogues between Gwen and Keiran before the quest properly activates. These all take place in the Hall of Monuments." <--- ??? My character I'm on now can get this quest and still hasn't finished EoTN? 203.118.165.186 05:17, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I made the note. I've finished all the campaigns and EOTN years ago, but had done zero War in Kryta stuff; today was actually my first time starting it. Keiran had some generic "let me tell you about the vanguard" dialogue options outside the Eye. I had to zone in and out of the Hall 5 or 6 times (it was more than 4, I know); the first dialogue ended with Gwen saying "gods save me from handsome fools" or somesuch, and seemed to be their first(?) meeting. I don't know if people typically see these in a more timely fashion or what, maybe I'd built up a backlog, but I had to clear all of these before the picnic dialogue came up and allowed the quest to progress. Also, Keiran didn't seem to pop in the Hall until I walked down to Gwen, though that could just be my imagination/poor attention to detal.--nunix

I doubt dialogue is a requirement at all, or if it is, it is currently bugged. My ele has not completed Eye of the North, is pre-Great Dwarf at the moment, and hasn't done any of the Wintersday quests, yet Keiran appears outside of the Eye of the North with this quest. ~~000.00.00.00~~ 05:26, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I have a better idea of what's going on. It does look like a bug; I've skipped "A Good Deed" completely. I was never able to actually take this quest. Instead, I watched my series of dialogues, and now the "Complete the quest 'A Good Deed'" requirement in my quest log is struck out, as is "Speak with Gwen in the Hall of Monuments". So I'm progressing along Ebon Vanguard Allies just fine, it seems, and am off to collect picnic supplies, though I've missed out on a bit of content; either that, or there are two versions of "A Good Deed" or.. something. Mystifying! --nunix

If you did Wintersday Cheer, you had no need to do this quest, as it's basically the same thing (just a non-wintersday version). Stumme said that this quest is meant to replace Wintersday Cheer, meaning that the other quest probably won't be returning. -- Konig/talk 22:20, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Finished WiK on main account with no problems. My toon on my second account has unlocked the LA keep by doing Zinn's Task and listening to Dialog 4 at the Shining Blade Camp, according to the flowchart. She has not done the Wintersday Cheer stuff. After the last update she noticed Murro in LA and got the War in Krtya Primary quest from him. Since she had found the Shining Blade Camp, and she witnessed the Asuran delegation there, the first two parts are done, but she can't do the third part part, Ebon Vanguard Allies, because Thackeray won't appear outside EotN to give her this quest. She probably did something in the wrong order or something, but wouldn't this have precluded her from unlocking the Keep? So she could get the daily bounty, but not the big three that you start off with. Any clues? Fantaghiro 10:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Technically, there are no quests before A Good Deed because A Good Deed acts as a replacement for Wintersday Cheer - i.e., it's Keiran's new introduction. It's the first time Keiran and Gwen meets, so there cannot be any dialogues between the two prior. As for the note on finishing EN - I think it's just needing to have done the Ebon Vanguard quest. (In regards to the unsigned above 0's, probably did the Wintersday Cheer and it bugged). @Fantaghiro: The flowchart is now out of date. -- Konig/talk 10:38, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

The only requirements listed for this quest is that Wintersday Cheer has not been done. My toon has not done Wintersday Cheer, but Thackeray doesn't appear so it seems something more is required. If the Ebon Vanguard main quest is required to be completed in order to activate this quest (my toon has not done this), maybe the requirements need to be updated. Fantaghiro 10:45, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

It would make sense since WiK involves Captain Langmar. So it makes sense needing to have rescued her.--Fogeltje 11:15, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Fantaghiro: Firstly, section stub is there for a reason. Secondly, as per my edit summary which added that: "Major cleaning up. There's a requirement, as it doesn't show for me (haven't done Wintersday Cheer either). I think completion of Eye of the North or the Vanguard segment. Dialogue note is wrong." What the requirement is, is unknown. But it's most likely having completed the Vanguard segment. Someone above said that they got to the Great Dwarf bit in EN, but not completed it, and that bit is after the Vanguard segment, hence why I think it's the Vanguard segment. -- Konig/talk 11:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I didn't need to listen to any dialogues between gwen and thackeray to get this quest. I just went to the camp, then watched Zinn's Trial, then went to camp again and then went to ice cliff chasms and there Thackeray offered me this quest. I never went into HoM so I didn't listen to any dialogues. - Tulen elementti (talk) 14:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

You likely completed EotN on that character, though. I haven't yet, and the bug is still happening to me. Ifm2181 16:12, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

i bypassed the chat in HoM as well, i wasnt getting any visits from thackery so i completed the vanguard part of the eotn storyline now hes outside the eye giving questSpark-TBa 00:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help with getting this done. Yes, after my toon did the Missing Vanguard quest chain, Thackery appeared and the story proceeded. :thumbsup: Fantaghiro 09:36, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

The requirements for obtaining this quest do need to be expanded. I am attempting to bring some other characters through EotN and WiK, and Thackeray did not appear outside of the EotN until I had completed the three Wintersday quests, which then allowed me to witness the Picnic Dialogue between Gwen and Keiran in the HoM. The two characters did not witness any of the previous dialogues between those two, nor have they completed any of the EotN storylines. Once Thackeray appeared outside of the EotN, he only offered his Scavenger Hunt and not the Good Deed quest.HanokOdbrook 18:38, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

As a follow-up, I checked my The War in Kryta and Ebon Vanguard Allies quests, both before and after doing Snowball Dominance and talking to Thackeray for the initial Scavenger Hunt Dialogue, and noticed that the EVA originally had me needing to complete the Good Deed quest, to showing it is now completed and I need to Assist Keiran with his ill-fated plan.

Farm?

As I see that there are alot of creatures from Uw, do they drop any ectos? And could this be a good farming spot?Aerials93 12:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Don't have to do this...

If you have already witnessed the Picnic Dialogue, plus if your still willing to sit through say 5 Dialogues then you can just go straight to the scavenger hunt afterwards. --Find And Seek 03:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Reward

should it be noted that you do get 5k exp, 500 vanguard points, and 500g gold? •••Ganon 04:09, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh nvm i didnt read close enough! •••Ganon 04:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Wintersday 2010

Now that Wintersday is here again... is this quest actually in the game? Casey skips straight from Charr-broiled Plans to Snowball Dominance, and Thackeray is nowhere in sight. Wintersday Cheer is not given by anyone, obviously. 71.89.5.181 22:39, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm doing the quest right now. I haven't done WiK on this character yet, if that counts for anything. I saw two Lieutenant Thackerays right outside EotN... Er, this is Vhid, but I can't remember my password. 97.85.81.141 05:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Walkthrough

is kind of bad. People come here for tactics (for, say, defending the Norn), not a more wordy reiteration of the quest's tasks.

Links

I moved the page to the quest's actual name, which has a period at the end, but I'm hesitant to change the links because having a single period before another punctuation mark is all kinds of ugly. Any thoughts? --Irgendwer 15:52, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

scratched off

Something is wrong. One of my toon's has this quest scratched off but he hasn't even started the ebon vanguard quest line and has not done the old Wintersday quest. So he's cheated out of the vanguard points for this quest :( Its skipping that toon right to scavenger hunt. Ramei Arashi 22:28, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Same thing here. We started "The War in Kryta" four people last night and "A Good Deed." was automatically skipped for all of us. All four chars are created during 2010, so it can't have anything to do with "A Wintersday Cheer". --Manassas 12:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Bug? Lefsi Spiritchaser

If mister Lefsi Spiritchaser dies, but your party survives and kills off everything the quest will still continue spawning Sarah. She will just start talking in mid air. It will not compleet the quest.---- Demonic Cobra 23:18, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Section

Is Festival Event Quests not Far Siverpeaks, as listed on the page. 178.22.219.226 17:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

A Good Deed is not an event quest. It gets listed under Far Shiverpeaks (as opposed to Wintersday Cheer, which gets listed under Festival Event quests).  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 17:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect, I have it on one of my characters right now and it is listed under festival quests in the quest log. And I only took it a few hours ago not during an event. Unless it is a specific bug, I could make screen shots to prove, but then again anyone can take the quest and see.

Interesting. Please do take the screenshots and report it as a bug. It would be also helpful if you could show whether you have one of the umbrella quests active, e.g. Ebon Vanguard Allies and/or The War in Kryta. Nice job spotting the discrepancy.  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 20:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't know where one is supposed to report bugs, but anyway here is the screenshot: http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af274/miloso/gw848.jpg?t=1297369980 You can see I have The Battle for Lion's Arch active in quest log too, I didn't complete it and I got there the old fashioned way, meaning without TWiK quest, which I never picked up. 178.22.219.226 20:41, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

You can email support or use the quest bug report page (which does not require having a wiki account). Thanks for publishing here. (ANet doesn't respond to reports usually, here or via email, but they do read them...and stuff does get fixed as a result.)  — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 21:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

This was answered for me via the forums and a link is provided in the references. Just noting here, in case anyone else questions. I want to thank the fellow editors for clearing this up and fixing it according to an employee's message/note from the forums. 72.148.31.114 06:06, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually Part of WiK?

By my understanding, you have to have completed Prophecies in order to begin -any- of the WiK content. My monk has completed neither EotN nor Prophecies (nor any other campaign) I can't see anything in the actual quest that proclaims it as part of WiK, nor do I actually see the logic in it being called part of WiK - simply because it involves Gwen and Keiran hardly makes it WiK.

I appreciate it's a fairly minor thing, but it's something I did pick up on pretty much as soon as I loaded the pag... it also fits with people saying WiK skipped this quest for them - quite probably it is something that gets overruled by initiating the conversations in the HoM as part of WiK. Snowmane 13:02, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

WiK starts of at two beginnings, one in Prophecies (Shining Blade) and one in EotN (Ebon Vanguard). The ebon vanguard *spoilers* eventually send a squad with Thackeray and Langmar to the help of the Shining Blade. This squad is lead by Thackeray, and this quest leads to his motivation of his descision of becomeing part of the Krytan Civil War. *spoilersend* This quest was also added because the previous quest to unlock Keiran's visits to Gwen was only available during Wintersday. Hope this helps a bit.--Mark, het Beest 13:20, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

To expand on that: you do not have to complete Prophecies to start WiK. You do not need A Good Deed to complete Proph or EotN. However, you must complete A Good Deed (or it's counterpart, Wintersday Cheer) in order to fully experience all of WiK and HotN.

You're right that it doesn't quite fit: technically, A Good Deed is an orphan — it's a Festival quest that was re-purposed to begin a WiK subplot (that leads to HotN and sorta/kinda to GW2). That doesn't make it entirely WiK, but but that's the least confusing choice for most situations. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 16:28, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

From my understanding, you'd need either this or wintersday (before it became this) to do the Kieran Gwen stuff for HotN. It's a prerequest before HotN, therefore now part of the WiK, but not necessarily needed for WiK. It's what I consider an "in between quest". Therefore, it's not an orphan. An orphan quest, imo, are those not needed at all, but quests you can do like some of the quests in prophecies, nightfall, factions, etc. 72.148.31.114 18:39, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

We are using orphan to mean different things. I meant that it lost its original parents (Wintersday) and was adopted by new ones (WiK/HotN). I didn't mean it in the sense of optional or unconnected, which is why I believe that it should be categorized as being part of WiK. — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 18:42, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for posting the link to Wintersday Cheer, it clarifies something for me - namely that my main has never done either. My main has got significantly past the scavenger hunt in WiK (And Kieran has left the eye completely, assumedly making accessing this quest impossible) therefore it is clear that neither was necessary for said toon to do WiK. It -may- be necessary for HotN, but I strongly doubt it... I guess I'll do some testing - but like I said, my main has done neither quest... We'll see about how things go with my monk. Snowmane 10:03, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

You can team up with someone else who is getting to the Scavenger hunt (you have to wait through some dialogue, tho). I deliberately finished WiK on a toon without helping Thack get the girl...and the only thing I lost was the chance for Paper-wrapped parcels and the EV allies. Later, I teamed up with a friend who was setting that up...and once my toon was present in HoM for the relevant dialogue, all was well. (This created the anomalous appearance of Thackeray asking for help dating Gwen while Gwen was busily searching for the Thack that had gone missing...) — Tennessee Ernie Ford (TEF) 15:39, 8 August 2011 (UTC)