Talk:Discord

Damage type? Armor-ignoring? -- Hercanic 13:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Interesting skill, double condition to do anything at all =D Biz

This skill is bugged especially one wants to use enfeeble or weaken armor. I wonder if AANet did it intentionally to make it harder to spam discord on foes?

buff plz

-- 24.141.45.72 17:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't want this buffed. I want this reverted. Izzy decides it'd be a good idea to fuck with the damage and then instead of just lowering it back; he has to fuck with the cast time. Thanks. A. Lot. -__- Nothing was wrong with this skill when it didn't deal over 100 damage. RitualDoll 09:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Giving this 1 sec cast time is not clever. Unless it deals somewhere in the region of 10 damage. Giving hexway easy to spam, straight up damage isn't going to end anywhere good. Lord of all tyria 13:56, 13 January 2008 (UTCT

This skill needs some sort of buff whether it be casting or whatever, but still your never going to get this off with a two second casting time and double requirement to do anything. Your better off running searing flames than this and yes only a few classes have any type of elemental resistance so you will still be doing the same amount of damage and plus aoe (of course the power supply cost will hurt you as a necromancer). The double condition is horrible and should only be hex or enchantment or suffering form a condition not both considering how powerful and cheap searing flames is for an elementalist compared to this one. Also the damage is not too high and one word of healing can easily overcome three attacks from this skill alone so this skill is horrible in it's current state.Highway Man 06:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

so this skill had a one sec cast time before? now it really sux, before u cast a hex and a condition on someone, he's already dead.. or will soon be. and who needs two sec cast time with not so high damage? Necrosis is even better and it's not an elite.. Plohek 13:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Necrosis > This, by far. Necrosis has lower cast time, same recharge, same cost, roughly the same damage, and only requires a hex OR condition. This is just bullcrap. What is up with nerfing elites so hard they're worse than non-elite versions of the same thing? LOD anyone? — ( ɔ \ ʇ ) uɐɥʇıǝɹ 18:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hard to compare this to Necrosis, sense necrosis is pve only... Barkingllama 06:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Hahaha, hoped I was missing something. I guess I don't PvE enough. :P — ( ɔ \ ʇ ) uɐɥʇıǝɹ 12:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

So, I was reading all these comments, and it actually motivated me to register for the wiki. First of all, I'll note that these comments were made about a year ago. Anyways, this is the PvE Discord skill discussion. 5en 1cast 2recharge. I'll give that this skill isn't very good by itself, and if you're using it, Necrosis is far better. However, if you have a few heroes and put this skill on them, they'll spike with amazing coordination. ~300 damage every 3 seconds just by themselves. I use "You Move Like a Dwarf!" and "Finish Him!" as well with Assassin's Promise which adds about 260 spike (80 + 80 + 100 from deep wound) to the spike. This can take down most targets in PvE. If you get 2 people with 6 heroes, that's 600 damage every 3 seconds plus 420 damage from both of you. 1020 spike initially! It has uses. Armor ignoring make it amazing. I would agree that with PvP, it makes this skill really difficult to use. The reason they hit it in the first place was because 2 people were taking in 6 heroes and spiking teams. So it needed it but I wish they had a bit better balance for the casual use.Mrs Rahl 20:17, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Fast Casting

I noticed people were worried about the 2 sec cast time. How would a Mesmer with 16 in fast casting go? This brings it down to < 1sec cast time to do 94 damage. Surely there's some potential Byakko 08:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Zactly what i was thinking...You could have a couple of hexes..accumulated pain and this 2 do some nice damage...in one second.Psychiatric Consultant

Mesmers have very few skills that actually afflict a condition installantly and even then you will have to time the spell right because it has to meet both 'requirements' to do any type of damage (yes that's right if the foe does not have a condition on them and no hex or enchantment, it does no damage whatsoever).William Wallace 23:05, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I really can't believe someone would say something as stupid as mesmer have a very few skills that afflict conditions, because that doesn't really matter. Since you need a high death attribute for discord, than you should have plenty of skills like animate shambling horror, death nova, rotting flesh, whithering aura, etc to apply conditions. Bleeding, poison, disease and weakness, is that enough conditions for ya? And if you still think that sucks, well you can use enfeeble that last 10 seconds for 0 att. points in curse.75.9.232.33 17:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

At 16 fast cast, rotting flesh has about 1.5 sec casting time. Putrid Bile on top of that, and go discord... Pastafarian Hunter 13:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Split PvE/PvP Update

Though its casting time is now at 1 second and its recharge, too, I highly doubt it's worth to build around that skill.

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is still by far better and can be used as N/Me for energey management via Soul Reaping or Fast Casting by using Me/N. Discord needs to hit something like 130 to get full respect. It's good, but inferior. Noctarch 10:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

You can't compare a regular skill to a broken pve skill. It's just not nice. 99.242.240.18 01:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

RTFL. Split PvE/PvP Update. Ɲoɕʈɋɽɕɧ 15:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Nerf necrosis, buff discord in pve.

Parasitic Bond, Enfeeble, and Weaken Armor

I have tried all of these independently and together. They work with Discord every time. Stop putting the bad note on the page. ~Shard 01:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Aleister Crowley

Do an image search of him, the resemblance is uncanny along with the symbols. --Lania Elderfire 02:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

And that's why there's a trivia note.

[edit] - Oh, call my fail: check page histories before talk pages. Nevermind me :D | 72 (UTC) 12:43, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

The icon reminds me more of Christopher Walken than Crowley tbh. Any particular Crowley image you guys are referring to? Sethrea 20:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I fail to see any resemblance whatsoever. Apart from them both being old guys. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 20:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

[1]. looks pretty close to me... especially to this image [2]. --Lania 20:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

The shape of the face is completely off. The note is also wrong, he does not have a triangle on his forehead. –~=Ϛρѧякγ (τѧιк) ←♥– 20:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

"The Triangle" is not a geometric triangle, as the note explains, but a triad of scourge, dagger, and chain which is named "The Triangle".

Also, the shape of the face looks plausible to me, except for the shape of the eyes. | 72 | 01:02, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm certain this is not Aleister Crowley but an image of Werner Herzog Roderik 01:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Nerf Prediction

With the March 3, 2011 update and the addition of mercenary heroes, I predict the number of players utilizing a Caller + 6 or 7 Discord necros build will skyrocket. When Anet picks up on this there will be a nerf. Get all your VQing and dungeons done while you can. My guess: Discord recharge will increase to 10 seconds. 97.75.161.222

I really hope it does get nerfed. --Combatter 15:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Only that there's 3 Necro heroes, with a fourth if you really want to forsake an even better support class(Rt). A 4-th discord necro is just overkill, when a Rt hero is a powerhouse as a SoS. You could use mercenaries, but the odds of Anet nerfing something that gets then money are pretty slim. ESPECIALLY when NPCs can't whine about the unfairness of Discordway. And besides, 7-teaming N mercenaries with discord is pointless. Use 3 Discord necros, 2 spirit-spammer rits, a panic/dom mesmer, and a shared burden/illusion mesmer and be on yer merry way. 82.137.12.94 14:44, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

In my team I changed it long since to 2 Discords and an Icy Veins. 3 Discords imho was always overkill, and you'd end up spamming your conversation bar for nothing, because they simply don't coordinate spikes as if they were human. You dumped a lot of skills on them, and they want to use those other skills to do other things. The occasional Discord-spam on targets of opportunity from just 2 Necros is more than enough. My team as a whole got me through DoA and Slaver's Exile so it works quite well. And overall, someone I know argues you get more utility without Discord at all -- using other elites such as SS or Jagged Bones. It's not always about the big overt damage. MeiOfTheNorth 16:35, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

They didn't need to coordinate spikes. That was part of the point. It wasn't a lightswitch style spike that you used to see in HA, it's spiked pressure: 115 damage or so every 3 seconds, times the number of necromancers on the team. It's more of a player-available version of Spectral Agony that anything else; it doesn't kill people because the spike is hard to catch, it kills because the damage is so outrageous that nothing can really heal through it.

With that said, the addition of more, better heroes has made Discord virtually obsolete. Aura of the Lich is so grossly out of proportion with other minion skills that the added damage and damage reduction from taking it is much more useful than Discord. Meanwhile, other heinous skills like Shared Burden and Panic alleviate the need for high-power single-target damage, because everything is getting interrupted so much and casting so slow that healing is almost nonexistent. It's a bit ironic, because Discord is still a great skill, and spiking with it would be child's play. It's just that so many other builds are so much more powerful that it's been left by the wayside.

All that aside, I still use discord in 4-man areas. The alternative is SoS + SoGM, and those are way too slow. –Jette 18:09, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Well maybe we kinda take for granted where we're at, you know. When we're able to bring along AotL on a hero with all requisite skills we know we've got something that can help us blow through areas, but to sort of balance it out, AotL is still not that easy for newer players to cap. MeiOfTheNorth 04:00, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Arcane Echo?

Is it worth echoing discord to double its damage output? Or does it put too much strain on energy levels? --174.57.149.196 01:52, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Recon Legend

It puts too much strain on the amount of time you spend casting it. With aftercast, spamming it on recharge costs more than half your time. Use Necrosis if you can't stand to wait. –Jette 14:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

new tags?

is it really necessary to mark this as "heroes will use this on single foes"...? 162.213.117.178 02:10, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Created List of Hero-vetted skills to help facilitate what skills are viable vs. broken for heroes. Would appreciate your input at Hero behavior.--Falconeye (talk) 15:49, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

I already mentioned this seems way overkill and clogging pages with obvious information. You should only mention broken ones, there is zero reason to mention skills that work correctly.. also dont forget to sign your comments. 162.213.117.178 02:42, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

skill icon

Added by 62.31.241.58:

"Although never confirmed by ArenaNet, many have theorized that Discord's skill icon features an image of Werner Herzog. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-release-date-january-24-2005-movie-title-grizzly-man-studio-lions-90154293.html"

I'm not a big fan of speculative trivia in the wiki (even though I have reverted removal in the past myself since it seems to be standard), but this goes to far imo. Weasel words and this living person has nothing to do with ANet or GW. So I'd wanna see some official 'yep' before we add that. But that is my opinion.

And before someone raises it: Yes, I have re-added speculations before, 1) since it has been fine for 19 years and 2) wasn't about living people.

And I'm very fine with the alpha tester additions since the resemblences are so close I'd be really surprised if it isn't correct. But the case of Bendah not being inspired by Bender has shown that confirmation would be appreciated. Steve1 (talk) 15:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

This conversation appears to have started in a section above, but I'll put my two cents in here.

• I see no resemblance to Aleister Crowley.
• The icon appears to be an edited version of this Grizzly Man photo of Werner Herzog.

Simply stating that last point is enough in my opinion. Greener (talk) 19:13, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

The case for Herzog is extremely convincing, I think it definitely deserves a mention in the trivia, replacing the old speculation about Crowley. Wouldn't be the first Factions skill with a reference like this either, there's also Mark Hamill as Luke on Disrupting Stab. I'd even like to see a page/category that compiles all the skill easter eggs like these. --MostDefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 19:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Seems like there's a bit of discord here, heh. — snograt 10:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

@Greener: I didn't see the previous discussion, that's why I copied the quote here. Thanks for adding the quote template, forgot about that.

From the previous discussion: 2 folks think icon looks like Aleister Crowley (trivia had been added 2 years prior by an IP), one thinks icon looks like Christopher Walken, one person disagrees (likely with Christopher Walken) and finally one is certain it's not Crowley but Herzog.

• I also don't see a resemblance neither with Crowley nor with Walken. But I didn't do a pic search either.
• There is a certain resemblance with Werner Herzog in my opinion. I wouldn't go so far to call the icon an edited version of the WH photo though. There might be photos of WH out there which resemble the icon much closer though (didn't do a search either). I'd go with something like "The icon appears to have a certain resemblance to Werner Herzog." Or (inspired by MDNH on DS): "The face on the skill icon appears to resemble WH".

@MostDefinitelyNotHanz: You know that people can check the RC time stamps? Your "extremely convincing case" is based on three guys talking 14 years ago and an edit to DS which you did YOURSELF 9 minutes AFTER you added your comment here.

@Snograt: We should discuss this on Discord. Yelling at each other is much more fun when the other person can hear you. ;)

EDIT: Did a quick search after all, first pic I found which is closer to the skill icon imo / would need less editing: https://www.parismatch.com/lmnr/img/var/pm/public/media/image/2022/02/28/16/Werner-Herzog.jpg?VersionId=mPdZEeLDclf7eiYASSngQdPv3yuyFlMG

But also for this I would avoid calling it "The icon appears to be an edited version of...". Steve1 (talk) 23:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars/comments/1h2iiyv/discords_skill_icon_is_100_werner_herzog_and_we/

I think the above post settles it. Look at the image comparison. 73.148.97.93 00:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

@Steve1 It's the reddit post linked by the guy above that convinced me, they've found the source. As for Disrupting Stab I've linked the discussion page instead of the skill itself on purpose, because there's a 14 year old discussion about it with a larger image where Luke's face is more clearly visible. I've found a reddit post about that too actually, here. That's the exact moment the skill icon's taken from. There's no way DS isn't a reference, he even has the hand out with which he'd cling onto the metal pipe in the scene. --MostDefinitelyNotHanz (talk) 10:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

@73.148.97.93: This post adds exactly ZERO new info than we had been discussing here. NOTHING.

@MostDefinitelyNotHanz: The reddit nicely shows the resemblance between skill icon and WH. It certainly does NOT prove that the picture is the source of the icon. It could've been another pic. Or it could'Ve been ... *gasp* ... coincidence.

I'll bore everyone to death with 2 stories that happened to me: 25 or 30 years ago I was shopping in a book store. Felt a tug on my coat and turned around. Young lady was standing there less than half a meter away. Started to tak how happy she was to see me again, how I had been doing, and so on. I looked puzzled. She asked me if I didn't remember her, after all we had both graduated from high school together. Well, turned out she went to ABC school why I attended XYZ school. *poof*, she was gone. Less than half a meter away, yet my looks, my stance, my demeanor, my speech still didn't give me away and she mistook me for someone she'd been in the same class with for at least 2, likely 9, possibly even 13 years.

Few years later, different continent. Pal of mine chides me why I hadn't greeted back when we had been crossing paths 2 days prior and he had greeted me. Why I had just continued walking. Well, I hadn't been around that place, so wasn't me. He still mistook the other person from a meter away.

Maybe the artist's granddad was to source for the skill icon and granddad looks like WH. I don't know. There is a resemblance with WH, yes. But we don't have proof until someone from ANet confirms it.

There is a difference between evidence and proof.

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_talk:Emily_Diehl/Trivia_archive#Bendah_-_Trivia Evidence looked good, turned out it wasn't the case after all. Evidence ain't proof. Scroll up one topic, that is why Auron explicitely asked and got confirmation. Until one gets official word it is speculation and evidence.

As for DS: "I've linked the discussion page instead of the skill itself on purpose, because there's a 14 year old discussion about it with a larger image where Luke's face is more clearly visible."

I was and am very obviously fully aware of it since I had written previously: "Your "extremely convincing case" is based on three guys talking 14 years ago".

I also didn't dispute the resemblance between DS and Luke, that's a strawman argument of yours. I wasn't ok with how you "presented" an "extremely convincing" case. But that is minor. Steve1 (talk) 15:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Mr. Steve1, you are correct in that the reddit post I linked does not introduce new information to this discussion, however, through overlaying the referenced image of Mr. Herzog onto the actual skill icon, it does assist in illustrating the similarities between both images. Hence why I found it helpful to link onto this discussion page. Additionally, while I agree that we here on the wiki cannot say that it is definitively an illustration of Mr. Herzog, just because a company denies or does not answer a question on likeness regarding a depiction of a real life individual in a form of media created by that company does not exclude the possibility that the likeness is close enough to be reasonably concluded as depicting that individual. This is the basis for many copyright laws that protect unauthorized representations of either trademarked characters (like Pokémon or Disney characters) or individuals who hold the right of publicity for their own portrayal. 73.148.97.93 18:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Mr./Mrs./divers 73.148.97.93, I hadn't planned to continue here, so just revert my edits to the mainpages or change them to whatever you feel improves the wiki. Have a nice evening, Steve1 (talk) 20:04, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right with the second half of your post.

I'm not happy with the current wording, and don't see how you can say it's similar to the wording on Disrupting Stab. The word "resembles" implies that it's not Werner Herzog, while the wording "appears to be" implies that it probably is but may not be. When looking at the photo and the high resolution version of the skill icon it's pretty obvious that the skill icon is an edited version of the photo, he's even wearing the same coat and the shadows on the face are identical. I understand that we can't fully confirm it, and "appears to be" is a reasonable compromise in my opinion, but "resembles" isn't. I'll edit it, considering you've given permission. SabSparrow (talk) 22:16, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

We just had an edit conflict. I was writing: Just change it. But I see you did. :) You don't/didn't need my permission. Steve1 (talk) 22:34, 1 December 2024 (UTC)